The Minuteman Project

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I think they should spend their time and money building huge obstacle courses for the illegals to run through en route to the land of opportunity. Good chance for some entertaining reality tv.

 

And Villareal is over the retaining wall! Now he's nearing the cargo net and down the zipline, from here it's only a 10 meter run up the motorized incline, and a quick jaunt over the balance beam.

[Guest MikeSC]

You guys really misinterpreted my post.

 

I was talking about the ACLU not caring about the nationality of people who are subject to US law.

Except they're arging for Constitutional protections for people who are not covered under the Constitution.

Many people believe that the US government should follow its own rules whether it is dealing with actual US citizens or not.

That sounds absolutely ridiculous. The Constitution is meant for US citizens alone.

 

I, personally, think we should treat illegals the way Mexico would.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I think they should spend their time and money building huge obstacle courses for the illegals to run through...

lol -- It'd give those American gladiators some work...

[LessonInMachismo 0]

I think they should spend their time and money building huge obstacle courses for the illegals to run through...

lol -- It'd give those American gladiators some work...

It could be an amalgam of American Gladiators and MXC.

 

Vic: Here's Felipe Jimenez. He's a corn husker who wants to move into the lucrative field of dishwashing.

 

Kenny: I hope he knows how to get rid of streaks...I had to learn that one the hard way!

[Jobber of the Week 0]

If somebody is crossing the border where they catch them, they are already breaking the law since there are designated locations for border crossing.

 

If the BP won't or can't do its job, I feel it's incredibly patriotic for citizens to do it, free of charge.

        -=Mike

The problem is that there is no regulation or standard as to how these people should handle the folks that they encounter. Police men, border patrol agents, they do. The last thing I want to see is some picture with shades of the Iraqi prison scandal, perhaps someone stripped of their clothes with a dog threatening them.

 

I'm sure not everyone is like this, but you and I both know that rotten apples will spoil the barrel for everybody. It's not like all of these outlaw sherrifs are turning in their finds to the proper authorities to have them dealt with by the book.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

That sounds absolutely ridiculous. The Constitution is meant for US citizens alone.

 

I, personally, think we should treat illegals the way Mexico would.

          -=Mike

So, if, in some hypothetical reality, we're dealing with people from Arabic countries (not specifically terrorists, mind you) who broke the law, cutting off a hand or a head isn't necessarily out of the question?

[LessonInMachismo 0]

If somebody is crossing the border where they catch them, they are already breaking the law since there are designated locations for border crossing.

 

If the BP won't or can't do its job, I feel it's incredibly patriotic for citizens to do it, free of charge.

        -=Mike

The problem is that there is no regulation or standard as to how these people should handle the folks that they encounter. Police men, border patrol agents, they do. The last thing I want to see is some picture with shades of the Iraqi prison scandal, perhaps someone stripped of their clothes with a dog threatening them.

 

I'm sure not everyone is like this, but you and I both know that rotten apples will spoil the barrel for everybody. It's not like all of these outlaw sherrifs are turning in their finds to the proper authorities to have them dealt with by the book.

I still don't get the whole AG "scandal." I didn't hear anything NEAR the noise level when US troops were abused. And worse things happen in US prisons and jails.

 

Source: Some guy named Nailz...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I still don't get the whole AG "scandal." I didn't hear anything NEAR the noise level when US troops were abused.

That's because a lot of us don't believe in "an eye for an eye" (quite literally, I guess) when it comes to prison torture. We're routinely one of the most advanced civilizations on the globe, so there's no reason for us to behave like the extremist scum we're trying to wipe out.

 

Which is not to say that I think we should try to be mindful of every prisoner's favorite foods or something, but hey guys, Naked Human Pyramid Fridays are going to have to come to a halt, ok?

[Guest MikeSC]

If somebody is crossing the border where they catch them, they are already breaking the law since there are designated locations for border crossing.

 

If the BP won't or can't do its job, I feel it's incredibly patriotic for citizens to do it, free of charge.

        -=Mike

The problem is that there is no regulation or standard as to how these people should handle the folks that they encounter. Police men, border patrol agents, they do. The last thing I want to see is some picture with shades of the Iraqi prison scandal, perhaps someone stripped of their clothes with a dog threatening them.

 

I'm sure not everyone is like this, but you and I both know that rotten apples will spoil the barrel for everybody. It's not like all of these outlaw sherrifs are turning in their finds to the proper authorities to have them dealt with by the book.

How about we avoid demonizing them until they do something bad? Thus far, they've done nothing even remotely wrong.

So, if, in some hypothetical reality, we're dealing with people from Arabic countries (not specifically terrorists, mind you) who broke the law, cutting off a hand or a head isn't necessarily out of the question?

If they're here illegally, my concern for them is non-existant.

 

And the reason AG was such a scandal was because liberals are clueless when it comes to who is actually covered by the Geneva Conventions.

-=Mike

[LessonInMachismo 0]

<<And the reason AG was such a scandal was because liberals are clueless when it comes to who is actually covered by the Geneva Conventions.>>

 

Hell, they probably DO know, but were hungry for something to report that was negative about the war, aside from insurgent attacks. In the end, though, is putting bad guys on leashes and making them undress as bad as torturing American heroes?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

cutting off a hand or a head isn't necessarily out of the question?

If they're here illegally, my concern for them is non-existant.

I had other things to respond to, but I think I'll pass, since your lack of concern at the US beheading someone speaks for itself.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Hell, they probably DO know, but were hungry for something to report that was negative about the war, aside from insurgent attacks.

Either that or people were shocked to see what their own countrymen were doing on the job, regardless of who they were doing it to.

 

  In the end, though, is putting bad guys on leashes and making them undress as bad as torturing American heroes?

 

First of all, why do we keep lowering our expectations for American soldiers to behave like the total savages on the other side? We're supposed to be the heroes bringing this country out of their culture of violence and death. We didn't come here because we enjoy hurting people.

[NoCalMike 0]

Until our government even wants to pretend to get serious about illegal immigration, then I find the actions of the minutemen as futile as the boarder patrols, however if it makes them feel better to stand out in the desert and play around on walkie talkies, who cares?

[Stephen Joseph 0]

I, for one, applaud the MMP, for they're proving that a group of concerned citizens, forming a PRIVATE project, can actually do what the government is supposed to do (to an extent).

 

Privatize the border...

 

Oh, and about the illegal immigrants contribution to our country's wealth production. You and I wouldn't likely see any noticable changes in retail prices. Their impact would be essentially highly localized in nature.

[Guest MikeSC]

Hell, they probably DO know, but were hungry for something to report that was negative about the war, aside from insurgent attacks.

Either that or people were shocked to see what their own countrymen were doing on the job, regardless of who they were doing it to.

 

  In the end, though, is putting bad guys on leashes and making them undress as bad as torturing American heroes?

 

First of all, why do we keep lowering our expectations for American soldiers to behave like the total savages on the other side? We're supposed to be the heroes bringing this country out of their culture of violence and death. We didn't come here because we enjoy hurting people.

It is even MORE mind-boggling that the left expects soldiers to act like saints in times of war when they're being tortured when caught.

-=Mike

[Ripper 0]

Would the economy even be able to function without illegals?

No it wouldn't.

 

Eliminating illegals would take billions of dollars from our economy, effectively kill of large amounts of small businesses that depend on the illegals dollars, kill off plenty of housing and develpment projects and so on. Taking Illegals from our country would DESTROY our economy. I mean, yeah, some cities would be alright as they don't have a illegal population, but most larger cities would take a hit larger than most people believe.

 

 

I still ask how illegals working is this country is a bad thing when it is basically the EXACT same thing as outsourcing only we get all the financial benifits. Economist and the government (and mike and popick) spent so much time saying how it is a great thing for our expansion as a country. How is this any different.

[Guest MikeSC]

Who said outsourcing was "great"?

 

It's one of those unfortunate NECESSITIES.

-=Mike

[Ripper 0]

Who said outsourcing was "great"?

 

It's one of those unfortunate NECESSITIES.

-=Mike

Well okay then, illegals are also a NECESSITy, right?

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

The MMP just put out a new recruiting poster...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[2GOLD 0]

Yes, because stopping illegals is just like the Klan.

They aren't in the same ballpark, they aren't even in the same f'n league.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Future generations will inherit a tangle of rancorous, unassimilated, squabbling cultures with no common bond to hold them together, and a certain guarantee of the death of this nation as a harmonious "melting pot."

 

The result:  political, economic and social mayhem.

Historians will write about how a lax America let its unique and coveted form of government and society sink into a quagmire of mutual acrimony among the various sub-nations that will comprise the new self-destructing America.

http://www.minutemanproject.com/AboutMMP.html

 

The picture was just a joke, but I do think this group is motivated by more than just a desire to "protect" us.

[Ripper 0]

Future generations will inherit a tangle of rancorous, unassimilated, squabbling cultures with no common bond to hold them together, and a certain guarantee of the death of this nation as a harmonious "melting pot."

 

The result:  political, economic and social mayhem.

Historians will write about how a lax America let its unique and coveted form of government and society sink into a quagmire of mutual acrimony among the various sub-nations that will comprise the new self-destructing America.

http://www.minutemanproject.com/AboutMMP.html

 

The picture was just a joke, but I do think this group is motivated by more than just a desire to "protect" us.

Um, yeah...I am going to have to say the "protecting our borders" thing isn't the main goal here. Sounds alot more like protecting our pure blood from them dirty mexicans.

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Okay, again just let me reiterate that the contribution that illegal aliens give to our economy is minimal at best. We would not notice readily if all illegals were not working tomorrow, because they're in primarily low-end service oriented jobs, or migrant farm work.

 

Again, it's just economics people.

 

Link Pimpage

http://www.frdb.org/images/customer/copy_0...mm2_23jun01.pdf

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Yes, because stopping illegals is just like the Klan.

They aren't in the same ballpark, they aren't even in the same f'n league.

No, they're not. If you knew what the Klan was, you wouldn't make that comparision.

 

The MMP is designed to showcase our lack of border security, create publicity, and hopefully lead to some change. That's it.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

The MMP is designed to showcase our lack of border security, create publicity, and hopefully lead to some change. That's it.

Then why do they put this xenophobic drivel on their website?

 

Future generations will inherit a tangle of rancorous, unassimilated, squabbling cultures with no common bond to hold them together, and a certain guarantee of the death of this nation as a harmonious "melting pot."

 

The result:  political, economic and social mayhem.

Historians will write about how a lax America let its unique and coveted form of government and society sink into a quagmire of mutual acrimony among the various sub-nations that will comprise the new self-destructing America.

[Ripper 0]

Okay, again just let me reiterate that the contribution that illegal aliens give to our economy is minimal at best. We would not notice readily if all illegals were not working tomorrow, because they're in primarily low-end service oriented jobs, or migrant farm work.

 

Again, it's just economics people.

 

Link Pimpage

http://www.frdb.org/images/customer/copy_0...mm2_23jun01.pdf

And once again, thats bullshit. California, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico would all feel it and feel it immediately if all illegals were gone from. While the estimates(which I, and others think are really too low) of illegals in this country is only around about 3.5 million, they are all concentrated along the southern border of the nation. These states economies dying off should be a big deal even if you don't live here. 3-4 counties in Atlanta at least would die off because of their dependance upon the revenue that illegals bring in. The Atlanta economic climate dictates the economic climate in most of the state. Something like that will not only affect this area but the surrounding areas.

 

Illegals need clothes, they need food, they need somewhere to live and they need utilities. Take away all the money (billions) that they pour into each of these catagories and you are telling me it won't be noticed? Maybe not in Kansas, but it certainly will in the cities previously named.

 

You constantly are talking in terms of nationwide economics, but seriously, what happens in the midwest has absolute shit to do with what will effect the southeast or southwest. Nationwide economic policies and rules are laughbly worthless most times.

 

So if you are saying killing off the economies of 4-5 states and the cities and states that depend upon their sucess is nothing, then fine, but don't pull nationwide numbers and saying that it wouldn't make a difference is purely laughable.

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The MMP is designed to showcase our lack of border security, create publicity, and hopefully lead to some change.  That's it.

Then why do they put this xenophobic drivel on their website?

 

Future generations will inherit a tangle of rancorous, unassimilated, squabbling cultures with no common bond to hold them together, and a certain guarantee of the death of this nation as a harmonious "melting pot."

 

The result:  political, economic and social mayhem.

Historians will write about how a lax America let its unique and coveted form of government and society sink into a quagmire of mutual acrimony among the various sub-nations that will comprise the new self-destructing America.

It's just economics people.

[Ripper 0]

MMP: If you are really articulate when you say something hateful it doens't really count as hateful. Its just "thought provoking"

[Ted the Poster 0]

I really wouldn't mind if California's economy tanked. I'd like an Escape from LA scenario, really.

[Ripper 0]

I really wouldn't mind if California's economy tanked. I'd like an Escape from LA scenario, really.

Stop with the bullshit.

 

You would never complete the basketball challenge and would die right there.

 

 

So really think about this logically people. You get rid of all of the Mexicans and you get shot down on a post apocolyptic basketball court for not making enough baskets in a minute. Is that the future you want?