It's Time That He Lets it Go

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Nothing. It's a red herring.

[The Czech Republic 0]

So why are people saying it's discriminatory and so wrong? Does it disenfranchise black voters? It seems like everything does. I scratch my ass, it disenfranchises a black voter.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

I think what they're saying is that the requirement wasn't made even for everyone (i.e. they asked for the IDs of black people and not white people), but I can't be sure about that. Quite frankly, it's a stupid argument. If they don't have their ID while they're DRIVING, they're too dumb to vote anyways.

[Boon 0]

And Dean, Mike? Hillary Clinton?

Hillary's new bill-

The "Count Every Vote Act" or whatever it's called.

 

One section says, “Each state shall permit an individual on the day of a Federal election to register to vote in such election at the polling place ... [and] to cast a vote in such election and have that vote counted in the same manner as a vote cast by an eligible voter who properly registered during the regular registration period.”

 

Another provision says, “Each state and jurisdiction shall accept and process a voter registration application for an election for Federal office unless there is a material omission or information that specifically affects the eligibility of the voter. There shall be a presumption that persons who submit voter registration applications should be registered.”

 

And a third section adds, “The following shall not constitute a ‘material omission or information that specifically affects the eligibility of the voter’: (1) The failure to provide a Social Security number or driver’s license number. (2) The failure to provide information concerning citizenship or age in a manner other than” a simple statement that one is a citizen.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

That says nothing about Ohio... and it doesn't allege that there was fraud.

[Boon 0]

It was more relevant to the discussion of driver's licenses and ID.

Shouldn't have quoted you.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Ahhhh. Aight.

[Guest MikeSC]

Ahhhh. Aight.

Hillary gave a speech to the Minnesota Democratic Farmer Labor Party on Saturday that CSPAN aired. She was praising the elections in the Middle East and stating that right to vote and the counting of all votes should be promoted in the US --- a none-too-subtle dig at OH.

 

CSPAN has a link to a video of the speech, but no transcript.

-=Mike

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Nonetheless, veiled shots aren't coming out and declaring fraud. Republicans say a lot of wacky shit to their base, too.

[Guest MikeSC]

Nonetheless, veiled shots aren't coming out and declaring fraud. Republicans say a lot of wacky shit to their base, too.

Can you name a Republican Presidential front-runner who's said anything close to that?

 

Or, hell, who spoke to a group as certifiably insane as moveon.org?

-=Mike

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

The Christian Coalition etc. qualify as insane like moveon.org.

[Guest MikeSC]

The Christian Coalition etc. qualify as insane like moveon.org.

And who the heck speaks to a Christian Coalition rally?

 

Hell, are they even around?

 

Did you miss the total blackballing of Pat Robertson since 1992?

-=Mike

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Tom DeLay, for one.

[Guest MikeSC]

Tom DeLay, for one.

Wasn't Christian Coalition.

-=Mike

[ISportsFan 0]

Even if DeLay did speak to the Christian Coalition (which Mike is denying), from what I've read, DeLay is on the outs too.

 

I'm sure this has been posted on the board before, but here goes again.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/10/delay.ap/index.html

 

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Private GOP tensions over Tom DeLay's ethics controversy spilled into public Sunday, as a Senate leader called on DeLay to explain his actions and one House Republican demanded the majority leader's resignation.

 

"Tom's conduct is hurting the Republican Party, is hurting this Republican majority and it is hurting any Republican who is up for re-election," Rep. Chris Shays, a Connecticut Republican, told The Associated Press in an interview, calling for DeLay to step down as majority leader.

 

DeLay, a Texas Republican who was admonished by the House ethics committee last year, has been dogged in recent months by new reports about his overseas travel funded by special interests, campaign payments to family members and connections to a lobbyist who is under criminal investigation.

 

A moderate Republican from Connecticut who has battled with his party's leadership on a number of issues, Shays said efforts by the House GOP members to change ethics rules to protect DeLay only make the party look bad.

 

"My party is going to have to decide whether we are going to continue to make excuses for Tom to the detriment of Republicans seeking election," Shays said.

 

Rick Santorum, the No. 3 Republican in the Senate, said Sunday that DeLay needs to explain his conduct to the public.

 

"I think he has to come forward and lay out what he did and why he did it and let the people then judge for themselves," Santorum told ABC's "This Week." "But from everything I've heard, again, from the comments and responding to those, is everything he's done was according to the law.

 

"Now you may not like some of the things he's done," said Santorum, who is up for re-election next year in Pennsylvania. "That's for the people of his district to decide, whether they want to approve that kind of behavior or not."

 

DeLay's spokesman, Dan Allen, told AP that the congressman "looks forward to the opportunity of sitting down with the ethics committee chairman and ranking member to get the facts out and to dispel the fiction and innuendo that's being launched at him by House Democrats and their liberal allies."

 

The majority leader was admonished three times last year by that committee. The committee has been in limbo since March, when its five Democrats balked at adopting Republican-developed rules.

 

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, said last week that the controversy was distracting DeLay from dealing with more pressing problems before Congress.

 

Santorum, however, said DeLay is "very effective in leading the House" and "to date, has not been compromised."

 

A senior Democratic senator, Christopher Dodd of Connecticut, had this advice for the Republicans who control both the House and Senate: "Be careful about how closely you embrace Mr. DeLay."

 

Dodd cited the new rules for the ethics committee that House Republicans rammed through in the wake of DeLay's difficulties. Those rules require a bipartisan vote before an investigation can be launched. DeLay's office also helped mount a counterattack last fall against Rep. Joel Hefley, a Colorado Republican, who was the ethics committee chairman when it came down against DeLay.

 

"Unfortunately, in his particular case, there's a process that he's tried to change so they could actually reach a determination as to whether or not he's innocent or guilty of the things he's been charged with," Dodd said. "But this is not going to go away."

 

DeLay "becomes the poster child for a lot of the things the Democrats think are wrong about Republican leadership. As long as he's there, he's going to become a pretty good target," Dodd said on ABC.

 

DeLay, who took center stage in passing legislation designed to keep alive Terri Schiavo, also has found that President Bush and congressional colleagues are distancing themselves from his comments, after her death, about the judges involved in her case.

 

"The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior," DeLay said, raising the prospect of impeaching members of a separate and independent branch of government. Later, he complained of "an arrogant and out of control judiciary that thumbs its nose at Congress and the president."

 

Bush, declining to endorse DeLay's comments, said Friday that he supports "an independent judiciary." He added, "I believe in proper checks and balances."

 

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee said last week that the judges "handled it in a fair and independent way," although he had hoped for a different result.

 

Democrats have said DeLay's remarks were tantamount to inciting violence against judges.

 

Jason

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Oh please. I was lumping the evangelical groups together. He speaks to evangelical groups all the freakin' time.

[Guest MikeSC]

Oh please. I was lumping the evangelical groups together. He speaks to evangelical groups all the freakin' time.

And all evengelical groups aren't "OMG! THEOCONS!".

 

And, as I have ALWAYS said, DeLay has no chance, whatsoever, of winning the nomination. The only Republican Congressman who might would be Frist --- and he's an unbelievable longshot.

 

We know my pick for the next candidate. And that isn't changing.

-=Mike

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

President Bush has spoken at Bob Jones U. several times.

 

They ARE theocratic fascists.

[Guest MikeSC]

President Bush has spoken at Bob Jones U. several times.

 

They ARE theocratic fascists.

Has he visited once since 2000?

-=Mike

....I could mention every visit a Democrat makes to NAACP rallies...

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

NAACP isn't as radical as BJU.

[Guest MikeSC]

NAACP isn't as radical as BJU.

Yes, it very much is.

-=Mike

...Just because you agree doesn't make them less extreme. I dislike BOTH groups and find them equally distasteful...

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Oh, come on. The NAACP isn't seeking to bar people from interracial dating.

[The Czech Republic 0]

NAACP is an organization that was once good but has outlived its usefulness and become rather silly.

[{''({o..o})''} 0]

That pretty much sums up Republicans and Democrats.

[Guest MikeSC]

Oh, come on. The NAACP isn't seeking to bar people from interracial dating.

No, they just support giving people criminal punishment for what they think while committing a crime.

 

MUCH better.

-=Mike

[Gary Floyd 0]

Ya know, I voted for this guy, and I actually feel bad...for myself, for voting for him. Can't they find a better alternative to Bush (And no, Ralph "attention whore" Nader, who makes me feel embaressed to be an independent, does not count)

Kusinich.

Sorry, but I don't like Kusinich. I don't think I liked any of the Democratic nomaniees, which is really sad

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

That pretty much sums up Republicans and Democrats.

When were Democrats useful?...

[Vyce 0]

And a third section adds, “The following shall not constitute a ‘material omission or information that specifically affects the eligibility of the voter’: (1) The failure to provide a Social Security number or driver’s license number. (2) The failure to provide information concerning citizenship or age in a manner other than” a simple statement that one is a citizen.

Jesus.

 

So, anyone - including, shall we say, illegal immigrants - can come in and vote so long as they say, "Hey, I'm a citizen. Trust me."

 

Yeah, good luck getting THAT one passed.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

*edit*

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Yeah, good luck getting THAT one passed.

Too bad it will...