Texas Legislators vote to ban gay foster parents

[Guest MikeSC]

If somebody is a Communist, they're willing advocates of a government style that led to more deaths than ANY single government style in recorded history.

The governemnt style isn't what killed those people, it was the evil people in charge of it who had those people killed.

Yes, it wasn't Communism. It was Communists. Those bastards.

 

Nazism wasn't evil. It was the Nazis.

 

Racism is peachy. It's those racists that are the problem.

 

You do know how patently absurd your argument is, right?

 

No, you probably don't.

The only evil which communism inherently condones is the confiscation of property (which they would rationailze is not evil at all).

You see, I MIGHT buy that --- if EVERY SINGLE COMMUNIST STATE IN HISTORY didn't have that whole "total suppression of opposition and slaughtering of opponents" problem.

 

But they ALL seem to have it.

 

Which kinda indicates it's a problem with the whole fucking basic concept.

Sorry those distinctions seem to be casualties of your desire to blanket the world with broad generalizations.

"Sure, every time Communism takes over a country, the exact same problems occur. But it's not Communism's fault..."

-=Mike

[Jingus 0]

You two remind me of Hugh Grant's friends in Notting Hill, where they'd insult each other in the sickest cheapshot way and make really awkward personal confessions, yet somehow their bond grew stronger from it. I now pronounce you man & wife.

[cbacon 0]

Is it possible for me to believe in Communism as a principle ideology yet condone all the human rights issues and all that 'evil' stuff, Mike?

 

Similarily, if I read Mein Kempf am I automatically anti-semitic (as you claimed somewhere else) even if it's merely out of curiousity?

[SuperJerk 0]

They have those problems because the system is too flawed to work on its own. Rather than allowing it to fall, Communist leaders do bad things to prop the system up. That makes them no different than any other government that has outstayed its welcome.

 

You see, I MIGHT buy that --- if EVERY SINGLE COMMUNIST STATE IN HISTORY didn't have that whole "total suppression of opposition and slaughtering of opponents" problem.

 

Hardly a fair comparison since 90% of your governments throughout history seem to also have a "total suppression of opposition and slaughtering of opponents" problem.

 

 

Now...let's bring this back to...

 

 

 

Okay, I have no fucking clue how we got to this point in the conversation.

 

 

Aren't we supposed to be talking about gays?

I guess its related since most of Mike's posts have been very gay.

OMFG BURN~!!!!!1111

 

[Guest MikeSC]

Is it possible for me to believe in Communism as a principle ideology yet condone all the human rights issues and all that 'evil' stuff, Mike?

No, it's absolutely not. It'd be like saying "Well, I agree with the TENETS of Nazism, but no, I don't agree with that whole slaughtering of the Jews" thing.

 

You can't really split the two.

 

The fact that you try to shows that you're a useless person.

Similarily, if I read Mein Kempf am I automatically anti-semitic (as you claimed somewhere else) even if it's merely out of curiousity?

Yes, because believing in an evil idealogy is the same as reading a horrid book.

-=Mike

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Similarily, if I read Mein Kempf am I automatically anti-semitic (as you claimed somewhere else) even if it's merely out of curiousity?

Yes, because believing in an evil idealogy is the same as reading a horrid book.

-=Mike

No it isn't. You can read it if you want to educate yourself on Hitler and why Nazism was able to take Germany by storm. It's a matter of detachment. I watched Triumph Of The Will once for similar reasons and I didn't gas any Jews.

[Guest MikeSC]

That was, you know, sarcasm.

-=Mike

[The Czech Republic 0]

Oops.

[Guest CronoT]

The very simple concept that he was trying to explain was the similarity between the two in that the precedent was set for the abuse and neglect of the two groups in question. If the Gov't isn't careful, we're going to end up having a real-world version of The Handmaid's Tale; and that should scare you more than anything else.

[LessonInMachismo 0]

The very simple concept that he was trying to explain was the similarity between the two in that the precedent was set for the abuse and neglect of the two groups in question. If the Gov't isn't careful, we're going to end up having a real-world version of The Handmaid's Tale; and that should scare you more than anything else.

Yeah, and if Kerry would have won, he would have undermined US sovrinty by putting our nation under the full control of the UN.

 

Please.

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Jesus Christ, don't you people have girlfriends or something? Everytime I go to bed all the fun starts at this place.

 

For your information, I've already been teaching for several years, which is why I'm able to open my eyes to how bigotted this country is.

 

GET THE FUCK OUT. I wish I could open my eyes to how bigotted this country is -- I thought we all loved one another and went on for long strolls in grassy fields...

[Slayer 0]

So... have Texas legislators voted to ban Muslim foster parents yet?

[Styles 0]

If somebody is a Communist, they're willing advocates of a government style that led to more deaths than ANY single government style in recorded history.

 

The governemnt style isn't what killed those people, it was the evil people in charge of it who had those people killed. The only evil which communism inherently condones is the confiscation of property (which they would rationailze is not evil at all).

 

You're kind of leaving out the whole "bloody and violent revolution to eliminate the last vestiges of capitalism" part. It's all there in Marx's writings. The violence and supression is very much a part of the ideology...

[Guest MikeSC]

It's not Marxism that's the problem. It's Marx.

-=Mike

[Styles 0]

It's not Marxism that's the problem. It's Marx.

      -=Mike

No, no, no, you've got it all wrong. Marx was fine, and so were Marxists...it's just Marxism that was a problem.

Or better yet. "That's right, Marxism did that, not Marx".

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm waiting for a murderer to use a defense like that.

 

"I didn't kill nobody. It was that fucking bullet's fault!!!"

-=Mike

[Styles 0]

I'm waiting for a murderer to use a defense like that.

 

"I didn't kill nobody. It was that fucking bullet's fault!!!"

-=Mike

Murderers don't kill people, Murder does.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm waiting for a murderer to use a defense like that.

 

"I didn't kill nobody. It was that fucking bullet's fault!!!"

              -=Mike

Murderers don't kill people, Murder does.

No, I think murder is fine.

 

You can't trust those damned murderers.

-=Mike

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Wow, we've gone from talking about gays being foster parents, to RobotJerk legitimately surprising me by defending Communism. I mean, c'mon, COMMUNISM. Which kind of depresses me in a way, because what with his refusal to budge on the dumb Nazi analogy here as well, his stock is really dropping in my eyes.

 

But hey, what a journey we've gone through in this thread, eh?

[Slayer 0]

Between this, the new pope and the apparently fictitious lynching of a couple white girls, it's been quite the week in Current Events (or is it "Muslim Events" now)

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Communism sucked. Next question.

[EricMM 0]

Hey, I TRIED to post a current event regarding the House's useless Energy Bill, BUT NOOOOOOOO, zero replies.

 

I swear, that apathy..

[Slayer 0]

Maybe if you related it in some way to Muslim Nazis...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Well, I don't see Communism as a universal symbol of evil in the world like some Americans do. I think it's a nice ideal that everyone gets a share of the public good and makes the best of it, but it obviously doesn't work in practice judging by the number of communist states (an oxymoron if there ever was one) with large walls and gun turrets and people silently crying for freedom.

 

On the other hand, if people can come and go as they please and there's generally less oppression, I believe Tito's Yugoslavia was probably the only real occasion something like that happened, it's not TERRIBLE or anything.

[Guest MikeSC]

Well, I don't see Communism as a universal symbol of evil in the world like some Americans do. I think it's a nice ideal that everyone gets a share of the public good and makes the best of it, but it obviously doesn't work in practice judging by the number of communist states (an oxymoron if there ever was one) with large walls and gun turrets and people silently crying for freedom.

 

On the other hand, if people can come and go as they please and there's generally less oppression, I believe Tito's Yugoslavia was probably the only real occasion something like that happened, it's not TERRIBLE or anything.

It's because, quite bluntly, you're an idiot.

 

You have no problem recognizing Nazism for the evil it was. Nobody on the left does.

 

But Communism? Yeah, they don't quite see the same level of evil, in spite the many times more deaths caused by it.

 

But a government form that has led to more deaths than ANY government form in history, more suppression of freedoms than any government in history, and more blatant and long-term atrocities than any government in history is simply a misapplied economic system?

 

Give me a fucking break.

 

If I was to say "You know, I don't think Nazism was that evil", you'd call me a fucking idiot for making that comment. And you'd be correct.

 

You're a bigger fucking idiot for making your comment about Communism.

 

The left, as ALWAYS, has had a total blind spot for Communism. They did from the start. Which is why Alger Hiss' memory isn't spat upon. Which is why Paul Robeson's name isn't spat upon.

 

Communism IS evil. If it is not evil, evil no longer has a meaning.

-=Mike

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I really think some liberals view communism merely as a machine. Machines are usually not inherently dangerous, they only are in the hands of those who are ignorant of how to operate them. And thus, they hold off on condemning it because they hold on to the belief (hope?) that one day someone will come along and make the machine work.

 

But it never will. Because that entire system of government is inherently flawed to its absolute core and because it inspires the worse attributes of mankind's nature far, far more so than capitalism.

[LessonInMachismo 0]

Really, Nazism isn't too much different from communism; Government-controlled economics powered by a strong central government, i.e. dictator. Hilarious, as Nazism and fascism taught to hate communism. You could argue for days how they are different, but when it comes down to it, the economic ideologies aren't very far apart.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

It's because, quite bluntly, you're an idiot.

 

You have no problem recognizing Nazism for the evil it was. Nobody on the left does.

YEAH!!! What's with that, anyway? Fuck them, they're ALWAYS demonizing the Nazism. Don't know why.

 

But Communism? Yeah, they don't quite see the same level of evil, in spite the many times more deaths caused by it.

Actually, they mostly just try to step away from the issue entirely. Heck, I know some people shy away from the label "progressive" because of it's Communist ties.

 

Secondly, maybe you're just looking at key words and just read "Communism isn't TERRIBLE" or something, because you may have noticed that whole point where I mentioned that shooting people for trying to leave is one of the BAD THINGS that happens and will continue to happen in Communist societies.

 

But a government form that has led to more deaths than ANY government form in history, more suppression of freedoms than any government in history, and more blatant and long-term atrocities than any government in history

 

These are the results of Communism's failings. They are atrocities and nothing less. However, they're never part of the ideal, if they were nobody would have supported the uprising. They are what happen when the state doesn't dissolve like was expected, but instead takes over and exploits the public that just gave so many of their freedoms away.

 

 

 

You act like I said Communism is a successful ideology. What I said was that if the ideals happened, without all the bad stuff and atrocities and killings and walls and so on that always happen instead, it would be a pretty pleasant time for all.

 

 

I am, however, a realist. Needless to say, that pleasant time won't happen. I simply said that the original thought was nice, and never spoke of the results. Your comparison to Nazis doesn't hold up, because "let's go kill the Jews" isn't a nice idea in concept nor execution. I also named one period and place in history that managed to do better than the rest in terms of respecting people's rights.

[LessonInMachismo 0]

What ever the case, communism does not = freedom. Governent control of industry and agriculture is as much tyranny as government control of what to worship is...wait, isn't that covered by communism, too? Why yes, yes it is.

[Styles 0]

And people who tend to defend Communist ideology as flawed only in execution tend to ignore that Marx himself insisted there needed to be a "bloody and violent revolution to cleanse the last vestiges of capitalism". So actually, every Communist society has gone EXACTLY as Marx planned. There is supposed to be a "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" where pretty much all civil liberties are done away with, and only when the people have been brainwashed essentially with a "new consciousness" will the government "wither away". So, again, all the Communist states have gone as Marx had planned them, they've just never moved on to that next step. Probably because Marx was an idiot who thought human nature was conventialist (determined by your society) and not essentialist (all human nature is inherenty similiar). Even if ir were possible for the government to eventually "wither away" (assuming human nature is conventialist which it is not) it would only be after all the death and destruction over many decades. (Can you tell I just got done studying a unit on Marxism?). The "utopia" doesn't come immeditately. So yeah, any liberal who tries to tell you that existing Communist states have just distorted Marx's ideas and words, and "true" Communism has never been tried tell them they're full of shit.