NBA Offseason Stuff

[alfdogg 0]

Shaq is an amnesty clause waiver of the future. No way he'll be able to warrant that kind of money for five more years, he's already 33.

[Kurt Angle Mark 0]

According to the Memphis paper and an AP reporter there will be a 5 team trade so the Heat can get J. Williams and Walker

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/bask...e.ap/index.html

 

The breakdown is as follows:

 

Memphis would receive Jones, who is scheduled to earn more than $30 million over the next two seasons.

 

Miami would get Williams, Posey, Emmett and Walker.

 

Utah would receive Greg Ostertag from Memphis, which acquired him – along with Bobby Jackson -- in a separate deal fro Bonzi Wells.

 

New Orleans would get Utah’s Kirk Snyder and Miami’s Rasual Butler.

 

Boston would receive Curtis Borchardt (Utah), Qyntel Woods (Miami -- and Carver High School in Memphis) and the Heat’s $1.9 million trade exception as well as draft picks.

[alfdogg 0]

It's at ESPN, too.

 

Link~

[alfdogg 0]

Green injures knee in pickup game, needs surgery

 

Link

[alfdogg 0]

The trade is final, here's the breakdown

 

To Boston

Qyntel Woods (MIA)

Albert Miralles (MIA)

Curtis Borchardt (MEM)

Two second-round picks from MIA

MIA's trade exception ($1.9 million)

 

To Memphis

Eddie Jones (MIA)

Raul Lopez (UTA)

 

To Miami

Antoine Walker (BOS)

Jason Williams (MEM)

James Posey (MEM)

Andre Emmett (MEM)

Roberto Duenas (NO)

 

To New Orleans

Kirk Snyder (MEM)

Rasual Butler (MIA)

 

To Utah

Greg Ostertag (MEM)

[iliketurtles 0]

I guess Danny Ainge felt bad by stealing Walker in that trade earlier this year by giving up absoutely nothing to get him back with the Celtics...so he goes out, trades Walker...and get absoutely nothing.

 

Just what they need...more younger bench players. God.

[teke184 0]

Heh... New Orleans made out like bandits considering how little they gave up.

 

Not that Snyder and Butler are going to be All World, but all they gave up was the rights to a guy who was drafted in 1997 by the Bulls and has shown no inclination to play ball in the US, ESPECIALLY with a team in the dumps like the Hornets.

[Fökai 0]

I guess Danny Ainge felt bad by stealing Walker in that trade earlier this year by giving up absoutely nothing to get him back with the Celtics...so he goes out, trades Walker...and get absoutely nothing.

 

Just what they need...more younger bench players. God.

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They got two second-rounders, a trade exception and Qyntel Woods for Antoine, who they weren't going to sign anyway. Hell, I think this was the best offer on the table for him, especially with the lack of interest from teams with extra parts (those draft picks and the trade exception). With that money, they could go out and make another trade, sign a solid guard now or wait for the amnesty waiver wire. Much more freedom than what Walker was giving them.

 

 

Heh... New Orleans made out like bandits considering how little they gave up.

 

I'm surprised that it took that little to get Butler to New Orleans. Snyder has been unspectacular ever since the initial rookie workouts last summer, though, and is basically fighting for a job now.

[Guest Vitamin X]

You know, I remember the fans around here in Miami bitching about the Lakers in `04 "buying their way" to a championship, and now watching the Heat basically do the same thing makes me laugh a bit. Of note is the fact that I really didn't support the Malone signing as much as other people did that year either. Fuck him, and all that.

 

But either way with that starting lineup, it looks pretty tough for the Heat NOT to go all the way this year. Shaq, Antoine Walker, Dwayne Wade, J-Will, and Haslem will be a very tough starting five. Question is though, it seems like they don't care about their depth as much, or their future.. They are very intent on winning it all RIGHT NOW, giving up all those draft picks, signing Shaq to a contract that in all honesty is probably way overpaid (as if he was going to go anywhere on the FA market.. his best chance to win another championship would be with Miami and he knows it), and getting rid of the younger bench players.

 

Oh, and...

WELCOME BACK TO UTAH, GREG!

[Fökai 0]

C'mon, their bench is basically in the same shape it was last year. Even if they don't keep Damon Jones, they have Posey, Simien and Mourning. I'm pretty sure that they're going to pick up a player, because their roster is only at 11, last I checked.

 

Those draft picks suck, because they're going to be deep second-rounders, players that won't be better than role players on a Heat squad that now can't help but put up 110 points a game.

 

 

signing Shaq to a contract that in all honesty is probably way overpaid (as if he was going to go anywhere on the FA market.. his best chance to win another championship would be with Miami and he knows it)

He opted out of the last year of the contract that would've paid him $33 million, and there was no doubt that Miami would've gave him a outrageous contract next year had he been a selfish player. He's probably harder on himself than anyone else is, but it's not like the Heat won't move him if he's not worthy of his contract. I give him three good years, which by that time could see Shaq retiring when the Heat wins a championship or two.

 

EDIT: Judging by hoopshype says, Walker, Mourning and Emmett are FA's next season, while Posey has a player option (will stay for the money he's making).

[Ripper 0]

I love J-Will, but the Heat just don't run the kind of offense that needs a real point guard. James Posey will be a nice addition, and I personally would move Williams for a shooter, and keep Wade at the point, Posey at the two with Walker at the SF.

[alfdogg 0]

I'm really digging all the people (not necessarily anyone at this board, mind you) who are saying the Pacers will have to "adjust" to Artest being back, while teams like the Heat and Cavs have nearly half their rosters consisting of brand new additions and it's "OMGz THEIR GOING 2 B CHAMPZ~".

 

Please...Shaq, Walker, and Williams ON THE SAME TEAM. There's no way.

[nogoodnick 0]

Trailblazers cut Derek Anderson under the new amnesty clause.

http://www.oregonlive.com/weblogs/blazersblog/

[Guest]

I like the Pacers in the East anyway, regardless of the moves that the Heat make.

[alfdogg 0]

Last I heard, the Lakers were rumored to be interested in Anderson.

[alfdogg 0]

Hawks sign Zaza Pachulia to offer sheet

 

Link~

 

The Clippers waived Kerry Kittles and Rick Brunson. Brunson will sign a one-year deal with Seattle, according to the LA Times.

[alfdogg 0]

Aug 4 - Marko Jaric will be back with the Clippers next season, the Los Angeles Times reports. General Manager Elgin Baylor said that Jaric's stated preference to leave "doesn't make any difference."

From ESPN.com

 

Way to build team chemistry, Elgin! No wonder you never won a title, you moron.

[Kurt Angle Mark 0]

Aug 4 - Marko Jaric will be back with the Clippers next season, the Los Angeles Times reports. General Manager Elgin Baylor said that Jaric's stated preference to leave "doesn't make any difference."

From ESPN.com

 

Way to build team chemistry, Elgin! No wonder you never won a title, you moron.

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If Jaric really wants to leave he should sign the one year qualifier. Besides Jaric's agent has said this, not Jaric himself. Last time Jaric spoke to the Times he said he wanted to return. Clippers went through this crap with Odom, and Q so I'm glad they finally took a stand.

[Kurt Angle Mark 0]

Glad I'm not a Hawks' fan

 

"Belkin sues Hawks partners

 

By TIM TUCKER

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 08/04/05

 

The bitter battle within the Atlanta Hawks' ownership group escalated Thursday when one of the owners took his partners to court and got a restraining order against them.

 

The order, sought by Steve Belkin in a Boston court, temporarily prohibits the majority of the Hawks' owners from removing him as the team's NBA governor — a position Belkin has used this week to block a trade his partners want to make with the Phoenix Suns for guard Joe Johnson.

 

Thursday's legal salvo is the latest setback for a troubled franchise that has struggled for years to win games, fans and credibility.

 

The Boston-based Belkin filed the lawsuit against his partners after they called a meeting for Friday to vote on removing him as the Hawks' governor.

 

One of Belkin's partners, Atlanta businessman Michael Gearon Jr., responded to the court action: "We are aware of the lawsuit filed by Steve Belkin in Boston. We will not allow that to deter us from building a winning team in Atlanta."

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Edit: And this is also why I don't like ownership groups.

[alfdogg 0]

The Magic will waive Doug Christie using the amnesty clause, according to ESPN.

[Brett Favre 0]

There's been some talk on a Kevn Garnett for Rasheed and Ben Wallace + 2 1st round picks swap. Why mess up chemistry?

[Ripper 0]

Thats BS started by someone wanting to see Saunders and Garnett together again. Noone in their right mind would trade a MVP canidate and All-star quality Big man AND TWO draft picks for a MVP candiate. That is ri-goddamn-diculous.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

^ Pure BS. No way in hell they would trade both Wallaces for Garnett. Not a chance in hell. BEN wallace is as close to untouchable for the detroit pistons as it gets. If it was something like rasheed wallace and a bencher or a draft pick for garnett, i'd say 'its vaguely possible'.'

 

on an unrelated note, how long till the sprewell 'i got to feed my family' jokes get old? cuz i still like em.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

also, those wanting some more insight into the amnesty clause thing should check out this stein article:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...d=2121672&num=0

 

AMong the interesting bits... if Finley got waived he would get his Dallas money in 5 million increments over time, rather than all in 3 years... also some of the waived players earnings with the team goes BACK to the initial team. Basically, no "he gets all the money from both teams" stuff.

[Ripper 0]

This Atlanta thing is funny and really sad at the same time. Basically what the Hawks owner wants is a Sign and trade for Boris Diaw....thats it. Boris Diaw. ANd he feels that he doesn't really want to do a sign and trade and that Atlanta should be able to sign Johnson. Someone should explain to him that Phoenix has the option to match, and they have every intention to until Johnson asked them not to match because he wanted to leave. Nowthe suns are saying fuck you, we aren't taking a worse deal...we will sign the fucker back and keep him no matter what he likes.

 

That then brings up the question, where else could they trade him? I mean, 70 mill over 5 years...I don't think there is a fair trade value for him in the league...well...not one that anyone in their right mind would want to give up.

[Dangerous A 0]

Personally, I think Joe Johnson and Michael Redd got overpaid or are about to get overpaid by teams.

 

Michael Redd will probrably not make another all star team and Joe Johnson, while I like his potential better, might not make an all star team ever.

 

I know making the all star team isn't the end all be all, but you figure for 70 and 90 mil., they should be potential perrenial all stars and they are not. Then again, it's also the marketplace and right now, people are overpaying for potential.

 

I don't want to come off as a hater because JJ and Redd should try to get max what they can, it's just I would have reservations paying that kind of money to those type of players.

[Sass 0]

Joe Johnson and Michael Redd are getting Ray Allen money. Is that logical?

 

Elgin Baylor's a flippin fool too. He has *no* eye for talent and was a joke down in LA compared to Lakers GM Jerry West. Hell, Baylor makes Mitch Kupchak look like a genius.

[Dangerous A 0]

Joe Johnson and Michael Redd are getting Ray Allen money.  Is that logical?

 

Elgin Baylor's a flippin fool too.  He has *no* eye for talent and was a joke down in LA compared to Lakers GM Jerry West.  Hell, Baylor makes Mitch Kupchak look like a genius.

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I cannot argue that point at all, but I do think if Shawn Livingston can come out with a healthy campaign next season, it'll be a first for Elgin and Co. in regards to discovering and drafting talent.

[Ripper 0]

JJ averaged 25, 6 and 6 for a half a season after the suns traded Marbury and Hardaway and Amare went down. People will look at his 16 point per game average that year (it might have been lower) but the first half of the year he was under 10 per game. When giving a leadership role, he DEFINATELY deserves Ray Allen money. I won't say that he is overpaid, because I look at it as the Tracy McGrady situation out of Toronto. He was averaging 12 points per game and got a max deal because everyone knew what the kid could do. People know what Joe Johnson can do, and he will be worth that money to the HAWKS.

 

He would not be worth 70 million to the Suns, because simply, he is the third offensive option.

 

Remember, I can't stand Joe Johnson and I am saying he is worth the money. And Redd,,,,he isn;t worth that much, since he isn't the defender, ball handler, and honestly...shooter that Joe Johnson is.

 

But for my money, I am happy the suns picked up Raja Bell who quietly shot 45 perecnt from the field last year and 43 percent from 3 without anyone getting him the open shots that he will be getting in phoenix. Plus he is a INCREDIBLE defender and can run like a fucking deer. The guy is a perfect fit, and honestly, if the suns can get a quality backup for Joe Johnson then I would trade his ass. Maybe Denver would take him for Boykins and NeNe. The suns could throw Leadro Barbosa in the mix with him or Jim Jackson.