Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2005 Q took the second most shots on the team. I am going to say that doesn't exactly point to 5th option. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So he was the 2nd option? Just because he was forced to chuck a shitload of threes, doesn't make him the 2nd option on the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2005 FORCED? He shot the ball whenever he touched it because that is what Q Richardson does. he did it in LA, he did in the Phoenix and he is going to do it in New York. The Suns offense was the pick and role with Amare Nash, with Joe and Q being the options off the double and Shawn being cleanup man. He wasn't the first option but he damn sure was one of the top 3(rather people understand it or not) Nash was really a shoot last player until the playoffs when he HAD to score) Bottom line, Q was a god awful shooter and defender the last 2 months of the season and in the playoffs, making him completely wortheless. I mean, Marion was shitty offensively, but at least he played D. When Bruce Bowen is blowing past you off the dribble, you have become worthless. Raja Bell is a more consistant shooter and a HELL of a defender, so even if his shot is off, he gives the team something. That is a upgrade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2005 From what I understand, he's not well recieved by teammates. No one cried over him being dumped by the Lakers. He was a huge reason for the Mavs playoff success in 2003 (I'd go so far as to say the sole reason the Mavs even got past the Webber-less Kings) and then they dump him as well. Word was he rubbed Dirk and Nash the wrong way. In GS, he was nothing but a whining ass bitch and his stint in Portland was viewed as negative cause he doesn't get along with people. Maybe cancer was a bad term to call him, but he is definitely not the most popular guy amongst his peers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2005 Raja Bell has never had another season like last year, and last year he played in a specifically structured system offense under Jerry Sloan. Ever heard of Shandon Anderson? Howard Eisley? These guys are crap after they leave Utah, and Raja Bell is the same. Q-Rich has averaged double figures before the Suns, he's a better rebounder, post player, scorer, 3 point shooter (He was FORCED, that was his role in the Suns; he said it himself), just a better player. Raja Bell is the prototypical roleplayer who had one good season because of Sloan's offense. I'd be surprised if he breaks 10 points a game this year. Also, Q-Rich has never had a season were he shot 350 3 pointers, and last year he shot 631! Even with all those 3 pointers he was forced to shoot, he still had a better efficiency rating than Raja Bell (14.5 compared to 10.0), and it wasn't even Q-Rich's best season. It was Raja's though. Raja is even older than Q-Rich. You're telling me that before this happened, you would trade Richardson for Bell straight up? I'm sure most if not all other Sun fans would disagree with that move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2005 The suns are going to be playing a different style of ball, but I don't see Raja Bell being any more than a nice role player, works hard, 20 minutes a night kind of guy. James Jones is a good pickup though, he can hit the 3 and is kind of an unpolished Q-Richardson type player. I was surprised Indiana traded him, but they've got a pretty loaded roster with Artest coming back and that euro dude they picked up. I like the Celtics picking up Dan Dickau, but they've got a bunch of short guards now. Banks, West and Dickau can't all play. Too early to give up on Banks, but someone might get a bargain if Ainge does. Dale Davis, McKie, Anderson and Van Exel are all good pickups for their respective teams. San Antonio has a guard rotation of Parker, Ginobili, Barry, Van Exel and Udrih, that's solid. Rockets have a ton of injury prone guards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2005 Raja Bell has never had another season like last year, and last year he played in a specifically structured system offense under Jerry Sloan. Ever heard of Shandon Anderson? Howard Eisley? These guys are crap after they leave Utah, and Raja Bell is the same. Q-Rich has averaged double figures before the Suns, he's a better rebounder, post player, scorer, 3 point shooter (He was FORCED, that was his role in the Suns; he said it himself), just a better player. Raja Bell is the prototypical roleplayer who had one good season because of Sloan's offense. I'd be surprised if he breaks 10 points a game this year. Also, Q-Rich has never had a season were he shot 350 3 pointers, and last year he shot 631! Even with all those 3 pointers he was forced to shoot, he still had a better efficiency rating than Raja Bell (14.5 compared to 10.0), and it wasn't even Q-Rich's best season. It was Raja's though. Raja is even older than Q-Rich. You're telling me that before this happened, you would trade Richardson for Bell straight up? I'm sure most if not all other Sun fans would disagree with that move. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was pissed when they signed him in the first place, because I felt they should have just been extending Casey Jacobson(another better fit than Richardson) and Joe Johnson's contract and picking up a low cost hard working big man. The assertion that someone FORCED Q to take 600 plus threes at a horrible percentage is just plain ridiculous. I watched nearly EVERY suns game and Q would just fire the ball the hell up. If he was wide open for two he would dribble back to take the three. If they were swinging the ball around the perimeter, he would probably shoot it up instead of making the pass to the open man in the corner. he pulled up on the break. he pulled up when ever he could pull up. Q Richardson is John Starks: The Sequal. A streak shooter that can put up big games but mostly shoots himself to nothingness. He hasn't cracked 40 percent from the field in years. He is a 35 percent three point shooter in his BEST years. I give you that he is a good rebounder, but that ends his good abilities. Raja Bell has shot over 40 percent from 3 point 2 of the last 3 years. Thats higher than Q's FIELD GOAL percentage. He has shot over 40 percent 3 years in a row, shooting 45 pefcent last year. Simply put, Raja Bell is more likely to hit a open shot than Quentin Richardson, and playing with Nash, he will get alot of open shots. Plus, the most important thing, is that he is 10 times the defender that Richardson is. The suns have 3-5 guys that can put up double figures every night. What they needed were defenders and Bell blows Richardson out of the water there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2005 The most Raja has ever shot from behind the arc is like 150 3s; try over 330 per year (Q-Rich). And it was his role in Phoenix. In Phoenix he became the spot up 3 pointer shooter, which really isn't a good role for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2005 Yao signs a max extension with the Rockets Link~ His contract was due up next summer, he's now under contract until 2011. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2005 Well, there goes Kobe's bid to get the perfect "passive" center he was wanting. Unless of course they end up trading for him. But why do that when there are rumors of Sprewell wanting to join the Lakers. Sprewell will be a much better influence on the lockerroom than that ne'er do well, Chucky Atkins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2005 Finley decides to go to San Antonio... http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...marc&id=2147720 ....and the rich get richer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2005 The Spurs and the Heat are so CLEARLY the favorites at this point, it's not even funny. I'm disapointed to not see Finley go to Phoenix, could have made things interesting.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2005 Wow. Lets have a look at the two lineups, shall we? Miami F- Walker F- Posey C- Shaq G- Wade G- Williams With Mourning and Haslem on the pine. San Antonio F- Duncan F- Finley C- Mohammed G- Ginobili G- Parker With Bowen, Barry and Van Exel on the bench. Injuries and attitudes permitting, those just might be your Conference Champs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2005 I don't see Miami as clear favourites at all. Indiana and Detroit are plenty good enough to challenge, especially on defense, which Miami doesn't possess in nearly sufficient quantities. They're a second-round upset looking for a place to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobobrazil1984 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2005 I agree, i'm not as huge on the Miami bandwagon as some. i dont see championship level defense there. Indiana and Detroit can give them a run for their money. The Spurs though... goddammit. There's a team built to repeat. The West, barring some huge sudden improvement or SA injury, is a bit of a joke this year. Does anyone really think anybody's gonna beat S.A. now??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2005 Yeah, the Spurs are looking like the 2003-04 Lakers, minus the soap opera. They're going to be just about impossible to handle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Electrifyer 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2005 The Heat look more like the 2003-2004 Lakers than the Spurs do to me. The guys they signed (Walker and Williams in particular) remind me more of egotistic players that could self-implode. Although Van Exel may have strong opinions, I could see Pop having no problems in confronting players and fixing problems immediately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2005 Walker gets a really unfair rap. He's a team player, great rebounder, passer and ball handler, and he'll do the dirty work for Miami while Shaq and D-Wade get the glory. He's possibly a little too in love with the long shot, but it's a good dimension for a PF to have, and when he was putting up tons of attempts it was because of the offense he was in, which was designed around him and Pierce cutting and kicking the ball out to each other for 3 attempts. I see Toine in Miami in a Rasheed Wallace, inside-out role, without the great defense of course, but with more playmaking ability. And Toine's interior defense isn't bad, he makes guys work for position and forces them into tough shots, his biggest weakness there will be when he has to guard quicker small forwards who can beat him off the dribble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2005 Yao signs a max extension with the Rockets Link~ His contract was due up next summer, he's now under contract until 2011. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dude, he could've at least used the free trips to see other cities and just feigned interest in those teams. HE'S NOT AMERICAN AT ALL. Miami F- Walker F- Posey C- Shaq G- Wade G- Williams With Mourning and Haslem on the pine. I don't see Walker and Posey on the starting five at the same time unless it's a small line-up opposing them. O'Neal just has too much ground to cover in the paint to make that a competitive lineup. Haslem, Simien and Laettner will be their serious power forwards, while Posey and Walker will be playing the 3 and 2 (when asked). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LivingLegendGaryColeman 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2005 San Antonio F- Duncan F- Finley C- Mohammed G- Ginobili G- Parker <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Finley actually is not going to start for SA. They said when the pursuit began that Bowen would not lose his starting job, that Finley will be sharing minutes with Barry. Also, this means Devin Brown will be heading elsewhere, while not a big factor, just something I read this morning that would happen if Finley joined the Spurs, before the Finley news broke. I would have to agree with whoever said the Heat look like the 03-04 Lakers. That is the first thing I said when the trade goes through. Also, I believe the Heat roster had Haslem on the bench and Haslem is projected starter with Posey coming off the bench. Still, even with the rotations, it is hard to argue against either, although I hope the Suns hang in there and I think the Pacers will be back in pretty full force this year as well, whereas I think Detroit will decline with Brown gone. All the players there are still capable, but I think Brown truly got the best out of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2005 I've put the rankings at this for the start of the season for the top 4 in each conference: East: 1. Miami 2. Detroit 3. Indiana 4. Cleveland West: 1. San Antonio 2. Phoenix 3. Houston 4. Denver Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2005 Goddamn San Antonio Spurs. I think their line up will be: Nazer Mohommad(sp?) Tim Duncan Bruce Bowen Manu Ginobli Toni Parker with THIS coming off the BENCH. Rasho N. Robert Horry Michael Finley Brent Barry Nick Van Excel You have got to be fucking kidding me. I still see Suns/Spurs in the Conf Finals again, and we will see how it goes. They still haven't added anyone that will be able to stop or slow down Nash or Stoudimire and the Suns added Bell and Diaw who have both shown they can defend the hell out of Manu.... ... Goddamn Spurs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2005 The Bulls have come to terms with Chandler, according to ESPN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2005 Well, what would the Bulls expect for Curry? Because i'm sure the Knicks are on the phone right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Ripper 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2005 Why not take Penny's expiring contract? He is the vet that they need, plus he opens up cap room in the off season. And is Mo Taylor still with the Knicks? Either he or Sweetney would be a good package for Curry and another player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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mike546 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2005 Knicks aren't trading Sweetney unless it was for Lebron, Shaq, or Kobe. Isiah loves him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted September 2, 2005 That's stupid, if you are telling me they wouldn't deal him for any player at the level of Rashard Lewis or Ray Allen, you are high. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2005 I should rephrase my comment. Their not going to trade him unless it improves them greatley, and Eddy Curry really wouldn't do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites