The Czech Republic Posted June 21, 2005 Report Posted June 21, 2005 I didn't catch the game other than the score, so I assumed the kid got knocked around like he did earlier this year. Francesca today was saying that he seemed to pitch scared, nervous, and like he was trying to avoid having an outing like his previous one. Apparently he's more of a AAAA pitcher? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What is quadruple A
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 21, 2005 Author Report Posted June 21, 2005 I didn't catch the game other than the score, so I assumed the kid got knocked around like he did earlier this year. Francesca today was saying that he seemed to pitch scared, nervous, and like he was trying to avoid having an outing like his previous one. Apparently he's more of a AAAA pitcher? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What is quadruple A <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quadruple A is a term given to players who are thought to be good enough to merit promotion from AAA, but not good enough to succeed in the majors. Graman is no prospect. He's 27 right now, and his peripherals are good, but not outstanding. Still, he could be an average major league pitcher somewhere. Or of course, if given a shot in relief he could surprise people. The bigger problem is that people like Francesca look at a player's first few major league games, and when that player fails, they assume the player will NEVER succeed in the major leagues. Minor league statistics are every bit as useful as major league statistics in determining future performance if you know how to translate them. Sean Henn started the season at AA, before advancing to AAA. He struck out 34 in 48 innings at Columbus. That is not a strikeout rate that indicates a pitcher ready to succeed in the big leagues. The problem isn't that Henn is a AAAA pitcher, or that he can not handle the pressure. The problem is that he is simply not ready to pitch at the highest level. If I were the Yankees, I would give Graman another shot. They do not need a world beater, just someone who can keep the game close. That the Yankees' defense is terrible does not help matters.
Bruiser Chong Posted June 21, 2005 Report Posted June 21, 2005 Reds fired Dave Miley <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Makes sense. He was pretty bad as a starter, out of the pen, and as a closer. Oh wait.
Fuzzy Dunlop Posted June 21, 2005 Report Posted June 21, 2005 OH, I thought AAAA was teams like Pittsburgh, who send all their best players to contenders midseason. At least, that's what I thought in 2003.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 21, 2005 Author Report Posted June 21, 2005 OH, I thought AAAA was teams like Pittsburgh, who send all their best players to contenders midseason. At least, that's what I thought in 2003. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Ramirez trade was bad, but remember a different trade netted the Bucs Jason Bay AND Oliver Perez.
mike546 Posted June 21, 2005 Report Posted June 21, 2005 I never doubt Joe Torre, but hes going against the laws of common sense and is batting Womack 2nd AGAIN tonight. BENCH HIM.
The Czech Republic Posted June 21, 2005 Report Posted June 21, 2005 I didn't catch the game other than the score, so I assumed the kid got knocked around like he did earlier this year. Francesca today was saying that he seemed to pitch scared, nervous, and like he was trying to avoid having an outing like his previous one. Apparently he's more of a AAAA pitcher? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What is quadruple A <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quadruple A is a term given to players who are thought to be good enough to merit promotion from AAA, but not good enough to succeed in the majors. Graman is no prospect. He's 27 right now, and his peripherals are good, but not outstanding. Still, he could be an average major league pitcher somewhere. Or of course, if given a shot in relief he could surprise people. The bigger problem is that people like Francesca look at a player's first few major league games, and when that player fails, they assume the player will NEVER succeed in the major leagues. Minor league statistics are every bit as useful as major league statistics in determining future performance if you know how to translate them. Sean Henn started the season at AA, before advancing to AAA. He struck out 34 in 48 innings at Columbus. That is not a strikeout rate that indicates a pitcher ready to succeed in the big leagues. The problem isn't that Henn is a AAAA pitcher, or that he can not handle the pressure. The problem is that he is simply not ready to pitch at the highest level. If I were the Yankees, I would give Graman another shot. They do not need a world beater, just someone who can keep the game close. That the Yankees' defense is terrible does not help matters. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Here I thought his A key got stuck.
MikeJordan23 Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 So much for RJs resurgence. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's another pitcher having a bad start after a complete game.
USC Wuz Robbed! Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 OH, I thought AAAA was teams like Pittsburgh, who send all their best players to contenders midseason. At least, that's what I thought in 2003. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Ramirez trade was bad, but remember a different trade netted the Bucs Jason Bay AND Oliver Perez. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Amazing to think San Diego owned both 2004 ROTY candidates (Khalil Greene and Jason Bay) as well as Oliver Perez.
MarvinisaLunatic Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 I think its cool the Yankees cant even beat the Devil Rays.
mike546 Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 It seems like the Yankees hit rock bottom once every week.
MarvinisaLunatic Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 The Os looked like they were in cruise control and then they ran into a speed bump with that Adams 3 run hr but its still 6-4 O's. 2 run hr for Gil to make it 8-4..
Guest Fishyswa Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 Thank you Jeter. If there was ever such a thing as a must win game against the Devil Rays in June, this is it. We gotta be confident that we can over-come, and rebound quickly, we lose again it's back to streak, funk, streak, funk, we win today and pull the series out tomorrow, it'll be the first time we weren't totally deflated by a loss in a long time.
KingPK Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 Trot Nixon saves the bullpen's ass with a Web Gem catch in right. Can't this pen hold even a SIX run lead?
MarvinisaLunatic Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 Gil hits another HR, Mora gets hurt running to first and has to come out of the game. 9-5 Os
KingPK Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 Woody Paige's prediction of the Yankees being in 1st by the ASB isn't going to pan out if they can't even take series against the DEVIL RAYS. I just wish Aubrey Huff would start cranking out some dingers since I have him in a HR pool.
mike546 Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 RJ needs to give the Yankees Offesnse a big fucking THANK YOU. Ouch. Travis Harper must be crying. JESUS. ANOTHER ONE. JESUS MOTHER OF GOD!
The Czech Republic Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 Dempster had a loooooong 9th, but Cubs win it 4-2 at Wrigley North. Too bad we couldn't hit the goddamn Yankees or we would still have an outside shot at passing St. Louis!
Brett Favre Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 That was the greatest comeback in the history of western civilization.
Guest Fishyswa Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 FUCK. I leave for an hour and I miss that. I was kind of hoping they might pull out an 12-10 or something, but a 13 run 8th? I can't miss that....
Brett Favre Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 You missed one hell of a home run derby.
Bruiser Chong Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 Good thing I didn't bench Sheffield like I had thoughts of doing. I almost benched Jeremy Bonderman because he's been awful against the Twins in his career. Once again, going against instinct helped, as he went the distance with nine K's in a Tiger win tonight.
Guest Mosaicv2 Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 Woody Paige's prediction of the Yankees being in 1st by the ASB isn't going to pan out if they can't even take series against the DEVIL RAYS. I just wish Aubrey Huff would start cranking out some dingers since I have him in a HR pool. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That ain't a surprise... since Paige sucks the Yankees ass any chance his pathetic self does.
MarvinisaLunatic Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 How the hell did Tampa Bay blow that game..that badly.
KingPK Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 They're the Devil Rays. That's all that needs to be said.
MarvinisaLunatic Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 They're the Devil Rays. That's all that needs to be said. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A 10-2 lead should be a 10-2 lead no matter who you are. To be outscored 18-1 after the 4th inning is just horrible. I cant wait for next Monday though.
mike546 Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 We have Pavano, Wang and Moose in the Os series. Who do you guys have?
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