Blue Meanie Considering Legal Action Against JBL

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The Blue Meanie confirmed a PWInsider.com Elite report from earlier this week that he is considering legal action against John Bradshaw Layfield for the assault at the ECW One Night Stand PPV. In an interview with Alex Marvez, Meanie noted that while he had been unflattering of Layfield in the past including a deposition in a lawsuit for former WCW referee Billy Silverman's, Bradshaw hugged him backstage and he thought all was fine between the two. After the incident, which left Meanie bloody, Bradshaw again confronted him backstage. ""People were between us and he started yelling about how I had talked bad about him on the Internet. I was like, `It's a work!' Look at him. The guy is 6-7 and 300-something pounds. He's a little more imposing than me." Layfield was unavailable for comment unless WWE.com had access to playing the unedited discussion on their website.

 

Credit: Mike Johnson/PWInsider

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Incident?

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Please tell me no lawyer would actually defend Meanie.

[Carnival 0]

Meanie needs to get a life, he got stiffed, it sucked, get over it.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Yeah, he should just let it go. However, anything that happens to Bradshaw that is bad... I am all for.

[Guest JMA]

Yeah, he should just let it go. However, anything that happens to Bradshaw that is bad... I am all for.

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Something will, eventually. Assholes always get their comeuppance.

[Ace309 0]

The question of whether he "should" pursue it or not aside, Meanie's probably got a relatively strong black-letter criminal case. I don't know what the laws are like in New York, but the Model Penal Code definition of assault involves purposeful, knowing or reckless causation of bodily injury to another. Bradshaw acted purposefully - he did what he did with full awareness that Meanie wasn't expecting to be stiffed, and he did it to injure him. I'm assuming that, while grotesque, there was no danger of death or serious bodily injury (ie, that JBL didn't commit reckless endangerment).

 

Of course, this might fall under the MPC's exception of "a fight or scuffle entered into by mutual consent," which would mitigate it to a petty misdemeanor.

 

The major obstacles to this sort of prosecution would be political - the prosecutor, especially a Manhattan prosecutor, is unlikely to waste his time on a misdemeanor case that would be unpopular (one wrestler assaulting another would just cause a lot of the constituency to roll their eyes). Along the same vein, go ahead - convince a bunch of jurors that a wrestler didn't expect to be assaulted. Jurors who aren't wrestling fans, much less members of the so-called IWC, aren't going to buy it - they'll nullify faster than you can say "wasted taxpayer dollars."

 

You're also going to have trouble proving intent. Even if the jurors are open to the possibility that this is assault, I'm not sure whether a video of the incident would show that JBL was throwing harder punches or what have you.

 

As for a civil case, sure, assuming you can convince a jury that Meanie was assaulted, he's due some compensation, but his pro-wrestling history is likely to bring that amount down considerably (because, again, non-wrestling-fan jurors). Hell, he might get the $1 "nominal" award if JBL's lawyer argues that the scars from the staples make him look "tougher." It's a ridiculously risky lawsuit.

 

EDIT: Uh... and, as I always feel the need to say when I make a legally-related post, I'm not a lawyer. I'm not licensed anywhere, and particularly not in the jurisdiction in question. Anyone reading this who wants legal advice really ought to consult an attorney licensed in their jurisdiction.

Edited June 24, 2005 by Ace309

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I dont think Blue Meanie would need the District Attorney's approval for a lawsuit.

 

Again, anyone care to tell me exactly what happened?

[Guest *KNK*]

During the big *STAGED* battle on the ECW ppv, JBL "allegedly" threw legit punches at Blue Meanie.

 

Bottom line? Meanie is a pussy.

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Criminally, yes, he'd need a prosecutor to approve the charges. Civilly, no, of course not. His lawyer would handle the plaintiff's case.

 

Meanie's injury was fairly grotesque. Having seen pictures of Meanie after he was tended to and not the actual video, I'd say that I feel confident there was actual intent to injure. Proving it, on the other hand... And, of course, it's possible that a minor injury yielded really, really good pictures.

 

Personally, I don't think he has anything to gain by suing. By the letters, the case is there, just as it was (although much more clearly) with the Marty McSorley incident, but there's just no real upside for it. The civil damages if any would be low, and a criminal prosecution just isn't going to happen. Meanie would end up with a moral victory at best, and even that would be far from unanimous - you'd end up with even more in the "He's just a pussy" crowd.

Edited June 24, 2005 by Ace309

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Are there any pics of Meanie available?

 

Maybe he should just consider himself lucky there was no injury to his butthole...

[Guest BrokenWings]

 

 

I've seen the video, in my opinion, there was obvious intent. Then again, I was looking for it...a non-wrestling based jury may not see that.

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My opinion -

 

If there were to be a jury trial over this, I think the 'wrestling is fake' thing could really hurt Bradshaw. It could appear the same way as if there were a real fight during a movie filming.

[Guest JMA]

Those pics only further prove what a dick JBL is. He even had to attack Meanie from behind (his specialty).

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Even if it was intentional, it's well known that occasionally sometimes people get hurt in this fixed sport, and that and the fact that the ring was absolutely full of guys means that the "Whoops, it just happened" defese is pretty much airtight.

 

Especially since I doubt they'd put Meanie on the show without signing to some form of paper that basically says "accepting this proposal means you could get the crap beat out of you and by signing below you agree to not hold us responsible."

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Did the wwe pay for Meanie's hospital bill?

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

When you step into a wrestling ring you are consenting to get hurt.

 

If Meanie were able to win this case, then why couldn't someone who gets hit with a kick from RVD that they were assualted?

 

On top of that, you cant prove that JBL went in there to hurt Meanie. He could just say it was an angle, he cut a promo on him on SD (which WWE would have footage of) and obviously they had to work with each other. JBL could say he tried to make the pucnheds look as real as possible, but they were a little too snug (my bad).

 

All the WWE guys who wanted to keep their jobs would have to say that they didn't think JBL was trying to hurt Meanie, and that that stuff happens all the time.

 

Meanie's like Matt Hardy, he's using the 'net for sympathy and acting like a bitch so he can keep his name out there. Maybe he'll learn next time not to run his mouth when he's not prepared to back it up.

 

And wasn't Meanie cut open on the other show that weekend? So how do you know which bruises were from which show?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

When you step into a wrestling ring you are consenting to get hurt. 

 

If Meanie were able to win this case, then why couldn't someone who gets hit with a kick from RVD that they were assualted?

 

On top of that, you cant prove that JBL went in there to hurt Meanie.  He could just say it was an angle, he cut a promo on him on SD (which WWE would have footage of) and obviously they had to work with each other.  JBL could say he tried to make the pucnheds look as real as possible, but they were a little too snug (my bad). 

 

All the WWE guys who wanted to keep their jobs would have to say that they didn't think JBL was trying to hurt Meanie, and that that stuff happens all the time.

 

Meanie's like Matt Hardy, he's using the 'net for sympathy and acting like a bitch so he can keep his name out there.  Maybe he'll learn next time not to run his mouth when he's not prepared to back it up.

 

And wasn't Meanie cut open on the other show that weekend?  So how do you know which bruises were from which show?

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When you step into a wrestling ring you are consenting to get hurt.

No, you don’t. You consent to taking part in a fake sport with the acceptance that, as part of that, injuries may or may not occur. You don’t consent to getting legitimately attacked by someone intending to do legitimate damage to you.

 

If Meanie were able to win this case, then why couldn't someone who gets hit with a kick from RVD that they were assualted?

 

Because RVD isn't deliberately trying to kick you as hard as he can. He isn't going in there to shoot on you.

 

On top of that, you cant prove that JBL went in there to hurt Meanie.

 

Given that JBL tried to attack Meanie in the back, after the PPV had ended and with no cameras around, it's a pretty safe bet he was intending to do as much damage to Meanie as he could and get away with.

 

He could just say it was an angle, he cut a promo on him on SD (which WWE would have footage of) and obviously they had to work with each other.  JBL could say he tried to make the pucnheds look as real as possible, but they were a little too snug (my bad). 

 

So why go after Meanie again in the back with no cameras, and with the other wrestlers having to pull them apart?

 

All the WWE guys who wanted to keep their jobs would have to say that they didn't think JBL was trying to hurt Meanie, and that that stuff happens all the time.

 

And everybody not wanting, or caring, about what WWE thought would say the opposite, so it's really the word of one group of wrestlers versus another, which doesn't bode well for Meanie's case.

 

Maybe he'll learn next time not to run his mouth when he's not prepared to back it up.

 

If JBL had confronted Meanie in a bar and goaded him, I would agree, but he didn't. He put himself in a worked situation expecting any violence to be worked too. Yes, it wasn't the best of ideas to goad JBL, but JBL is, allegedly, a professional, and professionals don't legit attack people on live PPV, an act they know they can get away with. Professionals leave that shit for the back. People with balls do that too. People with a set between their legs don't attack someone in a manner that they know will let them get away with it. If JBL wanted to be a real man about this, he'd have confronted Meanie to his face in the back, and sorted this out face to face, man to man.

 

And wasn't Meanie cut open on the other show that weekend?  So how do you know which bruises were from which show?

 

People at the HH show have already pointed out which injuries were part of HH and which were part of ONS

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

Im just looking at this if it were going to court.

 

Its impossible to prove that JBL was trying to injure Menaie. Saying the show was off the air is bogus, because all you have to say is "I lost track of time".

 

And I never said you accept getting attacked, but getting a stiff punch is something you have to accept, and thats all JBL would say was going on.

 

And JBL did try to confront Meanie in the back, but people broke it up (lucky for Meanie).

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Also, it wasn't like Meanie was "running his mouth" on JBL. He said in an interview that Bradshaw was behind a lot of the childish pranks and hazing that was making its rounds on the net. JBL got pissed because someone called him for what he is/was.

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He's gotta make money somehow. Seriously if Meanie gets his way, how many lawsuits will Hardcore Holly have.

[haws bah gawd 0]

I'll just say what's already been said time and again. JBL, who is a grown man, acts like nothing more than a 12 year old school yard bully. One day, JBL is going to fuck with the wrong person and its going to seriously cost him. Either that or one of the legit badasses of the WWE lockeroom will end up putting him in his place. William Regal, anyone?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

JBL is a personal favorite of Vince. Nobody who wants any kind of push, or even a job at all, will do anything.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

JBL is like the frat boy who never really left the dorm.

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If Meanie were able to win this case, then why couldn't someone who gets hit with a kick from RVD that they were assualted?

 

Because RVD isn't deliberately trying to kick you as hard as he can. He isn't going in there to shoot on you.

 

He could just say it was an angle, he cut a promo on him on SD (which WWE would have footage of) and obviously they had to work with each other.  JBL could say he tried to make the pucnheds look as real as possible, but they were a little too snug (my bad). 

 

So why go after Meanie again in the back with no cameras, and with the other wrestlers having to pull them apart?

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Does that mean then that all shoots could be potential offences?

 

The only chance Meanie has is that it was in the back.

 

He's gotta make money somehow. Seriously if Meanie gets his way, how many lawsuits will Hardcore Holly have.

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Dupree would be the 1st. That was horrible.

 

I'll just say what's already been said time and again.  JBL, who is a grown man, acts like nothing more than a 12 year old school yard bully.  One day, JBL is going to fuck with the wrong person and its going to seriously cost him.  Either that or one of the legit badasses of the WWE lockeroom will end up putting him in his place.  William Regal, anyone?

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I would vote for Hardcore Holly. Apply the full nelson that he did too Brock at the RR.

 

JBL is a personal favorite of Vince. Nobody who wants any kind of push, or even a job at all, will do anything.

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VKM loves all his pet projects just the same.

[Guest JMA]

What I find most funny is how JBL is always preaching about how "the internet doesn't matter," and yet he attacked another wrestler because of what he said on the internet. How hypocritical can you get? I honestly think that JBL does care (too much, in fact) about the internet. It seems like he hates the fact that people can say whatever they want about him and get away with it. Would he really bitch about it so much if he didn't care? Would he cut promos about internet fans when he doesn't really have to? The answer: No.

 

It's a sad fact, but JBL seems to rewarded everytime he does something wrong. Look back at the Germany show--he got the title shortly afterwards. The thing is, one day the wrong person will snap after being fucked with by JBL, and this person will beat his ass. And he'll pretty much deserve it.

 

What he did to Meanie was wrong. There is no defending if from a moral stand-point. He directly went after Meanie in the brawl. The fans watching saw it and the boys in the ring saw it. JBL doesn't care that he did anything wrong, and he most likely never will (even if he does get his ass kicked in the future). It really isn't a surprise why fans find it so easy to hate him.

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What I find most funny is how JBL is always preaching about how "the internet doesn't matter," and yet he attacked another wrestler because of what he said on the internet. How hypocritical can you get? I honestly think that JBL does care (too much, in fact) about the internet. It seems like he hates the fact that people can say whatever they want about him and get away with it. Would he really bitch about it so much if he didn't care? Would he cut promos about internet fans when he doesn't really have to? The answer: No.

 

It's a sad fact, but JBL seems to rewarded everytime he does something wrong. Look back at the Germany show--he got the title shortly afterwards. The thing is, one day the wrong person will snap after being fucked with by JBL, and this person will beat his ass. And he'll pretty much deserve it.

 

What he did to Meanie was wrong. There is no defending if from a moral stand-point. He directly went after Meanie in the brawl. The fans watching saw it and the boys in the ring saw it. JBL doesn't care that he did anything wrong, and he most likely never will (even if he does get his ass kicked in the future). It really isn't a surprise why fans find it so easy to hate him.

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Id like to see Hardcore Holly get set into him in a streetfight. Then watch him get his comeupance.

 

I think Meanie though should be looking at alternative ways to make money out of this, like asking VKM for a place on the roster, along with Smoothers. They could come in as an angle, with Smoothers fighting JBL at a PPV. Then JBL faces Meanie. And then he faces them both in a handicap match. Wins all 3 in current fashion. Fits right in with his character.

[Guest NewYorkFox]

Your average jury won't be able to tell the difference between two wresatlers having a real scuffle surrounded by two others having a fake one. For all Meanies proof it was assault, WWE laweers could come up with a million precedents of other accidental injuries in the wrestling ring.

[Guest shaqaustin34]

I hope Bradshaw gets in trouble, I can not stand Bradshaw.

 

Go Blue Meanie

[Guest Brian]

Fuck the law. I hope Smothers gets to JBL.