Tom Cruise on "The Today Show"

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What am I misinterpreting? Cruise said he did all the research and knows everything, then proved by saying a whole bunch of bullshit...Ive seen the interview and read the transcript, what did I miss?

 

By the way, I know all about this interview because I researched it...I know all about and you dont.

[bob_barron 0]

Message to snuffbox:

 

Doing that emoticon after every one of your posts, really doesn't help make your point.

 

What am I misinterpreting?

 

You seem to think Tom Cruise said that statement to everyone, when he actually meant Matt Lauer hadn't done the research.

 

Cruise said he did all the research and knows everything, then proved by saying a whole bunch of bullshit...Ive seen the interview and read the transcript, what did I miss?

 

Well first of all, it was a 6 minute interview not a 1 hour forum so it's not like Cruise had a lot of time to say much anyway, especially with Lauer constantly asking him different questions.

 

But you seemed to miss exactly what Tom Cruise said.

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Chemical imbalances dont exist....rhetoric...point proven.

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Chemical imbalances dont exist....rhetoric...point proven.

 

How dense are you? Barron has spelled out everything that was said in that interview yet your repeating the same old line.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I think Tom Cruise would say that line to everyone who questioned him. It's not just Matt Lauer.

[snuffbox 0]

All apologies to you Battlefield Earth marks...

 

I think Tom Cruise came off as sophomoric and comical in the interview. But, by all means, please continue to tell me that I just dont know.

 

Right now, Im going to go snort a pile of adderol...ZANG!

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Tom Cruise's comments come off as the words of a man who was told what to say.

 

He didn't do any elaborate research, all he knows about psychitary was from Scientology courses.

 

Cruise made a bullshit claim about Jung.

 

Cruise cannot argue, nor debate.

 

He basically wants to put his point of view over as "The Only Way" and he folds whenever Lauer called him on that.

 

It doesn't matter that Matt Lauer didn't hand thousands of dollars to Scientology like Tom Cruise did. Lauer fared pretty well against "The All-Knowing Tom".

 

Had Lauer been a psychitary expert, he would have humiliated Cruise.

 

Cruise's anti-psychitary rants and conspiracy theories are based off of Scientologist bullshit.

[Angelus 0]

But you seemed to miss exactly what Tom Cruise said

 

He says that it's bad to take prescription for post partum depression, he says that There is no such thing as chemical imbalance, that psychiatry is a fraud ... How could you defend it ?

 

Well first of all, it was a 6 minute interview not a 1 hour forum so it's not like Cruise had a lot of time to say much anyway, especially with Lauer constantly asking him different questions

 

Yes it was just a 6 minutes interview but come on, answers like that are a joke

 

Crusie: No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do.

 

Since when Cruise has become a specialist of psychiatry history ? For me it's pretty arrogant to make this kind of answers

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Looks like alot of people dont know psychiatry like Tom Cruise...

[bobobrazil1984 0]

I dont know why you guys are arguing against Cruise, he knows and Matt Lauer, and apparently all the people disputing his nazi science claims, don't dammit!

 

Crusie: No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do.

 

Yeah, but Scientology textbooks sometimes refer to psychiatry as a ”Nazi science”…

Well, look at the history. Jung was an editor for the Nazi papers during World War II. [According to Aryeh Maidenbaum, the director of the New York Center for Jungian Studies, this is not true.] Look at the experimentation the Nazis did with electric shock and drugging. Look at the drug methadone. That was originally called Adolophine. It was named after Adolf Hitler… [According to the Dictionary of Drugs and Medications, among other sources, this is an urban legend.]

 

Man knows his history.

[Modern Man's Hustle 0]

Man knows his history? Note that his points are followed by "Not true" and "urban legend". That doesn't make history.

[SuperJerk 0]

But you havent done the research...Tom Cruise has

 

I enjoy how he never backed up his 'research' with any actual facts or information...just said he knew everything, alot.

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I'm amazed how many people keep misinterpreting what Tom Cruise said.

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Don't be so hard on yourself, Bob.

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It's funny, before all these crazy Tom Cruise stories started happening, he was on my list of 10 favorite actors of today, (yes I have a list). But after listening to all the things he's been saying and doing, I had to take him off. Then, coincidently, I recived tickets to Letterman, the same day Cruise was the guest. Ben Folds was the other guest, and he's one of my favorite musicians so I was really pumped.

 

So, being that the water squirting incident had just happened, Letterman totally kissed up to Cruise and supported him, which I pretty much agreed with, since I though he handled it well. But there were so many pauses for applause that it was kind of awkward. Then Cruise started comparing the guy to a bully and saying that there are so many bullies in this world, I had to stand up to him. Well, I'm in my seat, thinking, the guy was from a prank show, so he wasn't really a bully. The bully remarks got more and more applause.

 

Then they talked about Holmes and he was really passionate as usual and then WOTW and that was it. Plus during one of the commercials, Dave and Tom didn't talk at all, they just turned in different directions, looking at different things, until 2 or 3 seconds before the show came on, Tom rushed up to the crowd and started shaking hands, then rushed back to his seat. Really really staged.

 

Anyway, so the next day I see this Today show interview on TV, continuing our fascination with Cruise, and I must say that right from the start, Cruise is cutting off Lauer, when Lauer's just trying to respond to Cruise's first question back to him. He literally says like "The difference is..." and Cruise is like "No, no, Matt, Matt". It really seemed like Cruise was freaking out over nothing, especially since watching it, Lauer is calm and collected the whole time, and Cruise looks like he's going to cry. It would have been great if Lauer had been into Psychiatry, so when Cruise said "You don't know", Lauer could have shot back, "Uh, yeah I do, buddy". Because what would lead Cruise to just to assume Lauer didn't know. The best part was when Lauer told Cruise that Cruise didn't know Lauer's friends and what had worked for them, so he was basically talking out his ass.

 

I don't know, I just can't stand this crap Cruise is saying since I take some anti-depressants, and they definately work for me. Before I took them, I was really really down, but with them, I'm not super hyper or anything, I'm steady. Plus, when you're basing you're "facts" on a group that believes that you signed a billion year contract for reincarnation over and over, it really doesn't hold up.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

Man knows his history? Note that his points are followed by "Not true" and "urban legend". That doesn't make history.

 

I was being sarcastic.

[Guest Fishyswa]

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

 

But it's got nothing on the craziness induced by not taking any drugs.

[Guest JMA]

Does anyone else see this whole situation being parodied on South Park soon? Then again, that may upset Isaac Hayes (he's a Scientologist).

 

I'm usually skeptical about celebrities who say they've "done research" or "investigated" something. Cruise saying that chemical imbalances don't exist--without providing ANY proof--when there are many scientists who say that they do, comes off as kind of crazy.

[snuffbox 0]

But have these 'scientists' and 'doctors' done the research like Tom Cruise?

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Obviously those doctors need to spend some time in Clearwater.

 

[Guest Ether]

Tom Cruise's comments come off as the words of a man who was told what to say.

 

He didn't do any elaborate research, all he knows about psychitary was from Scientology courses.

 

Cruise made a bullshit claim about Jung.

 

Cruise cannot argue, nor debate.

 

He basically wants to put his point of view over as "The Only Way" and he folds whenever Lauer called him on that.

 

It doesn't matter that Matt Lauer didn't hand thousands of dollars to Scientology like Tom Cruise did. Lauer fared pretty well against "The All-Knowing Tom".

 

Had Lauer been a psychitary expert, he would have humiliated Cruise.

 

Cruise's anti-psychitary rants and conspiracy theories are based off of Scientologist bullshit.

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Very well said. Much of what he says is really off topic or hypocritical.

 

Cruise: Matt, you have to understand this.  Here we are today, where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people, okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs.  Do you know what Aderol [Adderall]is?  Do you know Ritalin?  Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug?  Do you understand that?

 

In talking about Brooke Shield's depression, he brings up two medications that are not prescribed for depression. Ritalin and Adderall are used to treat Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) and other conditions such as nacrolepsy. Even though I am 99.9% certain Brooke Shields was not prescribed these for post-partum depression, Cruise felt the need to bring those up.

 

And yes, so they have been abused as street drugs. So are pain medications. You need to tell me if he broke his leg, there is no way he would take them, or that Nicole Kidman (or any other woman, for that matter), didn't take or would have taken any pain medicine after childbirth. And it's not like his colleagues have never used anything, or have influence youth by watching Cruise and other smoke in films or glorify street drugs in movies. I don't see him going off on that, which is far more detrimental as a whole than a doctor prescribing antidepressants and the like.

 

Lauer: Aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of someone who benefited from one of those drugs?

 

Cruise: All it does is mask the problem, Matt.  And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem.  That's what it does.  That's all it does.  You're not getting to the reason why.  There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.

 

I suppose it's possible since you can't really examine an active brain as well as you can an organ like the heart. But I'll take established science from scientists and researchers than from someone in the movie industry.

 

Cruise: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem.  There's ways, [with] vitamins and through exercise and various things...  I'm not saying that that isn't real.  That's not what I'm saying.  That's an alteration of what I'm saying.  I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous.

 

So now in vitamins we're trying to use a nice word for dietary supplements, products that have virtually no FDA regulation. The only product the FDA has been able to remove has been ephedrine since it killed so many people and caused heart attacks and strokes in countless others. It can't even regulate who makes the products; anyone on this message board can put out a dietary supplement and the FDA can't touch it except for maybe some labeling requirements. Kava is still available despite it causing liver failure. St. John's Wort had limited effectiveness and numerous drug interactions with blood thinners, heart medicines, and birth controll. He tried to paint medicine as dangerous (which they are potentially, that's why a doctor prescribes them) and "vitamins" as safe, even though there is much evidence that proves otherwise, and anybody can go and grab a bottle.

[Guest SP-1]

From the research I've been doing, it looks like scientologists are pretty much trained to just try and control a conversation, not so much make a defense for what they're saying. Which makes it really interesting to watch, from the standpoint of someone studying Christian apologetics. (No - apologetics doesn't mean to apologize. It's derived from . . . greek, I think. It means to make a defense, or a case)

[Special K 0]

He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about, and HASN'T done the research. He says chemical imbalances don't exist. Many of the drugs he rails against are specifically created to modify the balance of neurotransmitters in the brain. If they work right, they correct the balance of neurotranmitters, if prescribed incorrectly, they can actually create a chemical imbalance.

Zoloft, for example, is a Seratonin reuptake inhibitor, I believe.

 

Many recreational drugs do the same thing. Cocaine is a Dopamine reuptake inhibitor. Long time cocaine addicts can become depressed because after the brain has been flooded with Dopamine for so long it stops manufacturing it by itself at a normal level. This may be a chemical imbalance that the former drug-user is responsible for, but it IS a chemical imbalance.

 

Morphine and the opiates work because they are artificial neurotransmitters. They essentially go to the brain and flood it with artificial endorphins (Endorphins = endorphic [naturally produced by the body] morphine, so called because morphine was discovered before endorphins). Again, this is a chemical imbalance caused by drugs, but it is a chemical imbalance.

 

I'm sure when Cruise talks about having studied psychology, and constantly mentions electroshock, I'm sure he's only studied the excesses of the past. Just because doctors used to bleed and leech patients doesn't mean that the surgeons today are full of shit. Just because Greek physicists theorised that all motion was comprised of arcs and straight lines doesn't mean all physicists, or all Greek science for that matter is bunk.

 

And I've read a large part of Dianetics. It's startly similar in its arguments to Tom Cruise's tactics. Make a contentious statement, say it's been scientifically observed/proven many times, don't back it up, don't footnote, don't name studies. It actually pisses me off. A religion taking the name of science absolutely refuses the scientific process. If a person demonstrates better behavior by taking psychiatric drugs, then by all OBSERVABLE means the drugs are worthwhile in treating the condition. All the touchy-feely shit Scientology employs is not scientifically proveable. Of course psychiatry is a difficult science. We are dealing with the most complex organ in the most complex organism in the known universe. That's why we continue to observe with an open mind.

 

And L. Ron Hubbard is a fucking awful author.

[Guest JMA]

I'd actually like to see someone with the proper credentials debate Cruise on this subject. Of course, that's not going to happen. Has any Battlefield Earthian ever had a civilized debate with a doctor or psychologist?

[Special K 0]

Where's all the Tom Cruise defenders now?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Tom Cruise looked like he was ready to snap during that interview on Today.

[dubq 0]

Where's all the Tom Cruise defenders now?

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Off reading their L. Ron novels, er bibles, er something...

[snuffbox 0]

Where's all the Tom Cruise defenders now?

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Theyre doing their research...unlike you.

[bob_barron 0]

Where's all the Tom Cruise defenders now?

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Out for the day.

 

I'm not going to debate the merits of psychology or anything since I only took one psychology class and well I thought it was all bullshit.

 

I still don't really have a problem with what Tom Cruise said. I do find it hilarious how people have managed to completely misinterpret the you didn't do the research line.

[snuffbox 0]

Chemical imbalances dont exist and depression is a choice...we all live in a land of bubblegum and fairytales and Battlefield Earth dvds...psychology is wrong, alien religion is good.

 

We need more money...jerk.

[SuperJerk 0]

Where's all the Tom Cruise defenders now?

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I'm not going to debate the merits of psychology or anything since I only took one psychology class and well I thought it was all bullshit.

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Let's be clear: psychology and psychiatry are two different fields studying the same thing. I don't think Cruise has a problem with psychology, but he obviously has a big problem with psychiatry.

[Special K 0]

I'm not going to debate the merits of psychology or anything since I only took one psychology class and well I thought it was all bullshit.

 

 

I find it hilarious that you're able to discount an entire field of research after taking one class in it.

 

And I don't take issue with him saying that Matt Lauer doesn't know about psychology, nor do I think he's evil or anything like that. However, it irks me that he makes these broad, sweeping statements, and doesn't back them up. In fact almost every concrete thing he says is wrong, or irrelevant.