ESPN Draft Redo

[Ripper 0]

So ESPN has this feature on redoing the drafts, seeing who would have went earlier or later if they could redo the draft knowing then what they know now.

 

most are on insider, but they have 1995 up. From the previews they are saying that Kobe should have gone number one in 1996. I don't know if I agree with that one, as AI has done about as much with the Sixers as any one player could do.

 

So pick a draft, redo it and see who you would put higher and who you would drop...and who you would move completely out. I will take the most important draft to my team in the last few years, 2002 and we are only doing 10 picks.

 

1. Amare Stoudimire- Don't thikn there will be much argument here.

2. Yao Ming

3: Tayshawn Prince

4: Drew Gooden

5: Nene Hilario

6: Mike Dunleavy

7: Caron Butler

8: Fred Jones

9: Flip Murry

10: Darious Songalia

 

As you can see, this was a pretty weak ass draft, but still...8 teams passed on Amare, and only 2 of them had any semblance of an excuse(Jay Williams and Yao Ming were way too highly praised to pass up on)

[Precious Roy 0]

1990 (a class that's on the verge of total retirement in the next two or three years):

 

1. Gary Payton (#2)

2. Derrick Coleman (#1)

3. Toni Kukoc (#29)

4. Elden Campbell (#27)

5. Antonio Davis (#45)

6. Tyrone Hill (#11)

7. Kendall Gill (#5)

8. Cedric Ceballos (#48)

9. Jayson Williams (#21)

10. Dennis Scott (#4)

 

A pretty weak draft when you look at all the busts in the lottery and first round, but it produced a small core of productive big men and role players. Chris Jackson (Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf) could have got a spot over Dennis Scott.

[the pinjockey 0]

My 2001 top 10

 

1. Gilbert Arenas

2. Pau Gasol

3. Samuel Dalembert

4. Tony Parker

5. Joe Johnson

6. Zach Randolph

7. Eddy Curry

8. Jason Richardson

9. Richard Jefferson

10. Bobby Simmons

Just missing out - Jamaal Tinsley and Troy Murphy

 

I know Dalembert is high, but I think he is going to be special. In him you have a big who can run the court with AI. That is an unbelievable weapon. I know this sounds funny, but once he learns the game he is going to be a force.

 

Curry would likely be higher without the health issues and Randolph just scares the hell out of me.

 

And I would take Kobe over AI, just for the face Kobe has another decade ahead of him while Iverson is built with string and gum at this point.

[Precious Roy 0]

I'll do one more, ten year anniversary, 1995:

 

1. Kevin Garnett (#5)

2. Rasheed Wallace (#4)

3. Michael Finley (#21)

4. Jerry Stackhouse (#3)

5. Damon Stoudamire (#7)

6. Kurt Thomas (#10)

7. Joe Smith (#1)

8. Brent Barry (#15)

9. Theo Ratliff (#18)

10. Bob Sura (#17)

 

Holy shit, I wanted to move a guy or two from the second round up but it was COMPLETE ASS. I think Eric Snow, Fred Hoiberg and Andrew DeClerq are the only ones still in the L. Overall though, not a bad draft, all the guys on the list went top 21, and Finley was by far the biggest steal.

[alfdogg 0]

I'm glad I caught this thread, I was just about to post the '96 one in the draft thread. Reading this guy's take, you'd think the Sixers made some kind of Joe Barry Carroll deal by taking Iverson or something. Here's a quote

 

"Beats out Bryant in MVPs, scoring titles and jersey sales but lags well behind in the things that win games."

 

You mean like sharing the court with another superstar your entire career and then missing the playoffs immediately when said superstar leaves? Iverson carried the Sixers to the Finals in 2001. Aaron freakin' McKie was the No. 2 offensive threat on that team. He was every bit deserving of the MVP trophy he won that year. Name me one other person that's carried a team of scrubs like that to the Finals.

[Gert T 0]

I've only seen the 1995 Draft article, so I'll give the 2000 Draft a shot.

 

Actual draft order

 

1. Kenyon Martin NJ

2. Stromile Swift VAN

3. Darius Miles LAC

4. Marcus Fizer CHI

5. Mike Miller ORL

6. DerMarr Johnson ATL

7. Chris Mihm CLE

8. Jamal Crawford CHI

9. Joel Przybilla MIL

10. Keyon Dooling LAC

 

 

My top 10

 

1. Michael Redd (#43) I know its either him or KMart, but I think the fact that Kenyon is already gone shows how highly they thought of him as a franchise player. But I think its either Redd or Martin.

 

2. Kenyon Martin (#1) Toss up between him & Redd and easily the second best player from this draft at worst.

 

3. Desmond Mason (#17) Great player as the second option had a career year this year. Would a #2 option be worth the third pick overall? Probably not, but this draft class was weak.

 

4. Jamaal Magloire (#19) I expect to get reamed for having him over the next two players, but I think that he has had a solid career at center, while the next two have had good years recently.

 

5. Quentin Richardson (#18) Based on this year, I think he'd be higher, but I want to see how he does with the Knicks, in a more important role. 3-5 years from now if this is done, he could be higher.

 

6. Jamal Crawford (#8) Just like Richardson, had a great year last year and shouldl continue to rise.

 

7. Mike Miller (#5) Solid but unspectacular player so far.

 

8. Darius Miles (#3) After all that has happened in Portland, its even tough to put him here.

 

9. Stromile Swift (#2) Very apparent he is still a one dimensional player, but he is improving in Memphis.

 

10. Primoz Brezec (#27) Yeah the stats are probably padded because of playing for Charlotte, but it looks like the numbers still have the potential to go up.

[Ripper 0]

I know it was only for a little bit but Joel Przybilla showed his shit in when he got the playing time in Portland. I mean dropping games with 6+ blocks and 15 + rebounds pretty routinely.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

I'm glad I caught this thread, I was just about to post the '96 one in the draft thread.  Reading this guy's take, you'd think the Sixers made some kind of Joe Barry Carroll deal by taking Iverson or something.  Here's a quote

 

"Beats out Bryant in MVPs, scoring titles and jersey sales but lags well behind in the things that win games."

 

You mean like sharing the court with another superstar your entire career and then missing the playoffs immediately when said superstar leaves?  Iverson carried the Sixers to the Finals in 2001.  Aaron freakin' McKie was the No. 2 offensive threat on that team.  He was every bit deserving of the MVP trophy he won that year.  Name me one other person that's carried a team of scrubs like that to the Finals.

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Psst... Michael Jordan...

[Black Lushus 0]

the most obvious ones were Michael Jordan and Karl Malone...wasn't Malone like 13th one year? and not to contradict my Scottie Pippen feelings, but wasn't he a late teens pick as well?

[Vern Gagne 0]

Did anyone see that "You can't blame Portland for taking Sam Bowie over Micheal Jordan"?

 

An interesting take and they did a good job of presenting an opposing view point.

[Black Lushus 0]

well that's just it, look at how many non-upper first round/second rounders/undrafteds make a big splash in any sport...Sam Bowie was THE guy back then, Jordan obviously eclipsed him, that's just how the sports world goes...

[alfdogg 0]

So you guys are saying that Pippen and Stockton were on the same level as Aaron McKie?

[Precious Roy 0]

I expect to get reamed for having him over the next two players, but I think that he has had a solid career at center, while the next two have had good years recently.

 

I'd have bumped him up over Desmond Mason, legit centers are tough to come by and he's hella-solid. I'd put Pryzbilla in there on the strength of the 2nd half of last season, I don't think that was a fluke. Probably at 8, but if he does that for a full year I'm putting him top 5.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Name me one other person that's carried a team of scrubs like that to the Finals.

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Psst... Michael Jordan...

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Psst. Pippen and Rodman.

[alfdogg 0]

For the record, here's the whole '96 one

 

Actual (Team) Re-do

1. Allen Iverson (Phi) Kobe Bryant

2. Marcus Camby (Tor) Allen Iverson

3. Shareef Abdur-Rahim (Van) Ray Allen

4. Stephon Marbury (Mil) Jermaine O'Neal

5. Ray Allen (Min) Stephon Marbury

6. Antoine Walker (Bos) Shareef Abdur-Rahim

7. Lorenzen Wright (LAC) Steve Nash

8. Kerry Kittles (NJ) Peja Stojakovic

9. Samaki Walker (Dal) Ben Wallace

10. Erick Dampier (Ind) Zydrunas Ilgauskas

11. Todd Fuller (GS) Antoine Walker

12. Vitaly Potapenko (Cle) Marcus Camby

13. Kobe Bryant (Cha) Kerry Kittles

 

EDIT: For the record, this is from ESPN.com, not mine.

[Adam 0]

Wow, thats the deepest draft Ive ever seen. Amazing that so many have gone on to become so awesome.

[Matt Young 0]

The trade of Vlade Divac for the rights to Kobe Bryant is still one of the biggest steals in NBA history.