The return of Matt Hardy!!!

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I didn't mean the last 4 months, my mistake.

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He'd have to be processed and I believe he'd be spending the night regardless.  (Never been to jail)

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I have been to jail. And celebrities or people with enough money can get out until their hearing. I know of several cases where the magistrates are summoned to come down in the middle of the night to set the bond and allow the person to leave.

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Ok, but if this was a *shoot* I severly doubt that the first thing he would do when he got out was run to a computer.

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Im laughing at some of the marks at Hardy's messageboard...couple kids are turning on Matt for 'selling out'.

 

This is the best 'shoot' angle Ive seen since Brian Pillman flashed his 9mm back in the day....

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This was just posted by Wade Keller at his site....

 

"I think Matt should feel bad for working his closest followers who are dedicated to him at his website. He didn't have to go as far as he did with his comments, which were written in the last few days and thus written with knowledge he was returning to WWE. I'm curious how he addresses them and explains himself. The only out I can imagine for him to save face with them is to say he got an offer he couldn't refuse Sunday and was flown in at the last second. That may also be true. We'll have to see as more details get flushed out. Or maybe he'll just stay in character and claim his run-in on Raw wasn't planned and hope they are willing to play along.

 

If I'm being worked and any of the above facts aren't so, then Matt Hardy orchestrated a hell of a work on a number of people along the way and wasted a lot of people's time and emotions. There are too many indications along the way that make me doubt this was a work for long. My antenna has been up dating back to the taping of the DVD interview and before, so it's not as if I haven't been sniffing for signs of a work all along. Any smoke never led to any fires, and I've been diligent in checking out any possibilities. "

 

 

------I have to agree with things relating to his website folks and such. To be STILL then working them with these teases about still showing up on TNA this Sunday and such, I just dont get it. It's like you're lying to your very loyal fanbase, which is career suicide. People would be fine and everything if Hardy just said to his message board or whoever, "Yeah they gave me an offer I couldnt refuse" instead of working up upon what is apparently a work. If this was a work, even just turned to a work the last few days, one would think things would be more "wrapped up" here or making sense after what happened on Raw. Instead there is still very much a question when and where he is doing other appearances this week, and most importantly A TEASE TO SHOW UP IN TNA STILL. If this is all nothing more but Hardy trying to work everyone from top to bottom, Hardy has lost a ton of credibility in my eyes (especially not even a week after his friend Shannon Moore is fired!) and the backlash against this whole idea and where it could go might end up not what most expected, as in Hardy not getting over as much as one would expect due to a sellout type situation from the fans.

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He'd have to be processed and I believe he'd be spending the night regardless.  (Never been to jail)

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I have been to jail. And celebrities or people with enough money can get out until their hearing. I know of several cases where the magistrates are summoned to come down in the middle of the night to set the bond and allow the person to leave.

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Ok, but if this was a *shoot* I severly doubt that the first thing he would do when he got out was run to a computer.

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This is Matt Hardy we're talking about. Work or shoot, we've learned he lives for the internet reaction.

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The marks are eating this up. I just spoke with my uncle a few minutes ago and I couldn't stop laughing due to the bullshit that was coming out of his mouth.

 

EDIT: I nearly forgot about him being the drama queen he is.

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Monday Night Raw has a slightly larger viewership than the matthardy.com message board...

 

Do the fine folks there plan to pay Matt's rent and grocery bill? These people freaking out are reading like hillbilly marks that freak out at the matches, Im reading the entire thread over there now and its pretty fun.

 

Can't people appreciate a good angle?

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I rewatched it, it's at least 99% work, but something about the commentarry he posted, etc. just leaves something there. I don't know why he'd keep mentioning Orlando and this Sunday, etc.

 

Think of it this way, if TNA was being used, and it would be clear at this point if Matt has no intentions of working for them anymore, why wouldn't they stick it back at him and post something that says "Matt Hardy is not under TNA contract, and will not be appearing at the PPV despite what he says" or something to that effect? Instead just last week Jeff Jarrett is out doing media interviews talking about giving Matt Hardy something to show up for on Sunday. It's just been a very, very odd angle.

 

Either something's fishy or I have to give all the credit in the world to Matt, Edge, WWE, ROH, etc. for pulling off the perfect worked shoot.

 

You're right, Redjed, I'm such a mark right now too.

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I would say that the main reason TNA doesn't make an official statement is the possibility that this would mean several more PPV buys from this whole situation. I fully expect that a few dozen or more people will buy the PPV to see Hardy show up. How many of his fans do you think will buy the PPV due to them thinking it will be Matt's debut and that he will "shoot" on the WWE?

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I think my uncle would pay his rent, but he'd want a little something in return if you get my drift.

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Considering Matt Hardy was arrested and escorted out of the building by the police, I find it pretty amazing he was able to find a computer to post on a Web site.  Shouldn't he be in jail right now?  A friend of a friend of mine got thrown out for some ringside shenanigans at a WWE show and he spent a night in the slammer.  If what Hardy did was legit, I'd say he wouldn't be sitting in his room at Motel 6 right now blogging.

 

Don't get me wrong, tho.  This is crazy entertaining stuff.

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I'm not saying it was actually real, but what are the chances that Matt Hardy would have more than enough money to bail himself out, and had realized he would be going to jail and would need someone on hand to get him out quickly? I'm guessing he would be more prepared financially and from a predetermined standpoint than your friend of a friend.

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I dont think there should be a question if he really got arrested or not. It was obvious to me that those "cops" were indy wrestlers or something. However, assuming a long shot that after Hardy said "WWE can kiss my ass" everything was shoot (meaning Ace may have had the power to tell them to really shoot on Hardy if he broke script), what might have happened is Hardy legit just got kicked out of the building by the road agents and their "cops" and that's that - Hardy wont be back in WWE again and the company will try to downplay what happened tonight completely since it didnt follow script all the way through and since Hardy broke it, he's not coming back.

 

I will say this, IF and its a big if, but if Hardy shows up Sunday, then something didnt go completely as planned tonight, as I dont think the WWE would go to lengths to work the business by allowing Hardy to show up on a TNA show. The REAL answer to the question here will be TNA's public comments on the situation - if they will try to play up a Hardy appearance as well. I'm sure the real story will come out sooner than Sunday anyway.

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OK, it's wearing off me and common sense has returned to my brain. For Hardy to appear on RAW, he'd have to have signed a new contract, which would preclude him from working TNA. Talent has been able to work indy dates (i.e. ROH) when given special permission especially in situations where they're honoring a previous agreement. The only way Hardy could be on TNA is if he did NOT sign a new WWE contract which is impossible because WWE would know better than to put an uncontracted talent on the air especially

when he'd likely have some ulterior motives. So, EVEN if Hardy did break from script or whatever, he still would be under contracted and could not show up in TNA this Sunday, as even if they fired him again, he'd still have the 90 day no compete clause to adhere to, or otherwise face a lawsuit for breach of contract.

 

Oh well, it was fun speculation for like a minute.

 

Still, order the TNA PPV folks, it's a good card and they could use the support. ;-)

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a gem from thematthardy.com board...this one eloquently stated by a mr "Puke Boy"

 

'Matt Hardy is laughing at all his fans. Matt pulled a fast one on everyone. I was going to pay good money to meet you at RVD's store Matt Hardy but I think that money will have better use when I order No Surrender.'

 

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I think my uncle would pay his rent, but he'd want a little something in return if you get my drift.

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Did Matt ever actually come right out and SAY he was going to be at the TNA PPV?

 

I thought he was using code words to hint at it.

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I think my uncle would pay his rent, but he'd want a little something in return if you get my drift.

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That's the reaction I was going for, but I wasn't kidding. MJ, those are my feelings exactly.

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Did Matt ever actually come right out and SAY he was going to be at the TNA PPV?

 

I thought he was using code words to hint at it.

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Why else would have be in Orlando on Sunday? He's mentioned it like every commentarry including the one after RAW. Still like I reasoned there's no way it can happen....can it?! Dum, Dum, Dum!

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RedJed, I wasn't saying that Hardy really got arrested at all. I was answering a "what if" on how he was able to post on his website if he was arrested. I am almost 100% positive that EVERYTHING on the show tonight was scripted, but I like to discuss and think about all these "what if" scenarios. That is why this was such a great segment/angle.

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Here's the kind of analysis that we all have been unable to provide

 

"You Would think some of you people had rocks dropped on your head....Do you honestly think after one)The announcers would not even comment on what took place and two)They wouldnt play and footage of it after it occured,that Matt Hardy has screwed people around???C'mon people!You claim to be fans and yet you just go around spreading crap and rumors....Matt told you ALL what transpired.Take it for what it is and get off the guy's back....Frankly,I applaud what Matt did....He freaking told the WWE where to go,which has been needed for a long time...He basically publically called out Adam and Amy and you people have the gall to accuse this man of not being on the up and up?That Man has been through hell for months and he finally gets his moment to shine and everyone all of a sudden turns on him?

And if ANYONE thinks Adam Copeland has a chance in h@ll of beating Matt Hardy,step up.If youre not a MFer,leave.;The rest of his loyal fans can stay around and not question his actions or motives."

-AmyLiciouS

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OK, it's wearing off me and common sense has returned to my brain. For Hardy to appear on RAW, he'd have to have signed a new contract, which would preclude him from working TNA. Talent has been able to work indy dates (i.e. ROH) when given special permission especially in situations where they're honoring a previous agreement. The only way Hardy could be on TNA is if he did NOT sign a new WWE contract which is impossible because WWE would know better than to put an uncontracted talent on the air especially

when he'd likely have some ulterior motives. So, EVEN if Hardy did break from script or whatever, he still would be under contracted and could not show up in TNA this Sunday, as even if they fired him again, he'd still have  the 90 day no compete clause to adhere to, or otherwise face a lawsuit for breach of contract.

 

Oh well, it was fun speculation for like a minute.

 

Still, order the TNA PPV folks, it's a good card and they could use the support. ;-)

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You can waive your 90 day no compete clause. That is just to ensure you get paid over the next 90 days. I believe Raven waived his so he could go straight to TNA. Again, just discussing.

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The money they would be giving him is quite nice, and Raven wasn't paid too well as he's said quite a few times.

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OK, it's wearing off me and common sense has returned to my brain. For Hardy to appear on RAW, he'd have to have signed a new contract, which would preclude him from working TNA. Talent has been able to work indy dates (i.e. ROH) when given special permission especially in situations where they're honoring a previous agreement. The only way Hardy could be on TNA is if he did NOT sign a new WWE contract which is impossible because WWE would know better than to put an uncontracted talent on the air especially

when he'd likely have some ulterior motives. So, EVEN if Hardy did break from script or whatever, he still would be under contracted and could not show up in TNA this Sunday, as even if they fired him again, he'd still have  the 90 day no compete clause to adhere to, or otherwise face a lawsuit for breach of contract.

 

Oh well, it was fun speculation for like a minute.

 

Still, order the TNA PPV folks, it's a good card and they could use the support. ;-)

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You can waive your 90 day no compete clause. That is just to ensure you get paid over the next 90 days. I believe Raven waived his so he could go straight to TNA. Again, just discussing.

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He would have to be released first though. If he's truly in business for himself, WWE wouldn't let him go to TNA, they'd keep him under contract out of spite. That's the thing, for him to appear on RAW, WWE controls him. I'm trying to think of a way out of it too, because I want to believe so badly.... on the bright side Im gonna go to Summerslam in DC and the card was looking pretty blah to me, but Hardy vs. Feces in a worked shoot fight might be fun to see.

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OK, it's wearing off me and common sense has returned to my brain. For Hardy to appear on RAW, he'd have to have signed a new contract, which would preclude him from working TNA. Talent has been able to work indy dates (i.e. ROH) when given special permission especially in situations where they're honoring a previous agreement. The only way Hardy could be on TNA is if he did NOT sign a new WWE contract which is impossible because WWE would know better than to put an uncontracted talent on the air especially

when he'd likely have some ulterior motives. So, EVEN if Hardy did break from script or whatever, he still would be under contracted and could not show up in TNA this Sunday, as even if they fired him again, he'd still have  the 90 day no compete clause to adhere to, or otherwise face a lawsuit for breach of contract.

 

Oh well, it was fun speculation for like a minute.

 

Still, order the TNA PPV folks, it's a good card and they could use the support. ;-)

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Yeah I think I'm starting to chill out on the whole conspiricy theory but damn, it was fun while it lasted!! I still just think its so foolish and illogical to still be trying to pull a work over folks and hint at showing up on the TNA ppv Sunday.

 

There could possibly be a way Hardy used leverage to not actually sign a new contract and basically just finish out his current contract tonite with a verbal promise of continuing the program if everything went ok (as in Edge didnt break script on Hardy, etc) - yes, I know, its another far fetched scheme but the WWE could have had a moment of fucking up and not have been as ready for Hardy breaking script by trusting him not to go into business for himself and agreeing to work the angle tonight to crush any momentum the TNA ppv would have had by still having it up in the air about a Hardy appearance this Sunday on there. So lets say they still didnt have a deal as of yesterday, they call up Hardy, knowing after Monday night, it would be that much harder to secure Hardy into anything, but if they could get him to start the angle tonight, his last night he's under some control from them, then it would give WWE more leverage to get him to sign a new deal. Maybe the agreement was Hardy would sign the new contract after the angle when it was determined that it was clear Edge and Hardy were mature enough to do the storyline without trying to legit fight each other or go into business for themselves personally. Like I said the main theory is WWE would have been comfortable working a little looser with Hardy than you thought they would tonite given that fact that they thought shooting this angle rushed would kill off any chance of a decent buyrate for No Surrender. Hardy on Raw tonight should have solidified the fact that there isnt a blue hell's chance of him appearing there on Sunday, but it hasnt. Instead Hardy MAY HAVE played to their falsehooded trust of the segment and Hardy worked the entire WWE in the process. Shit, I think I need some sleep...

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Next week Matt and some ROH talent should have tickets like 3rd row or so with signs and stuff. Have all the camera never specifically focus on them but let them be seen in the crowd during long shots and ring action. Then have Edge caught on camera yelling at Bischoff about the security lapse last week leading to Edge being attacked and how he hasn't been kicked out of the crowd/building this week. Then claiming that he wants revenge, so Bischoff says that he will allow Edge to call out Matt for an unsactioned match at SummerSlam.

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You do need sleep. There is no way they put Hardy on the air without a contract. They couldn't be that stupid.

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He would have to be released first though. If he's truly in business for himself, WWE wouldn't let him go to TNA, they'd keep him under contract out of spite. That's the thing, for him to appear on RAW, WWE controls him. I'm trying to think of a way out of it too, because I want to believe so badly.... on the bright side Im gonna go to Summerslam in DC and the card was looking pretty blah to me, but Hardy vs. Feces in a worked shoot fight might be fun to see. 

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But we are dealing with an entirely different situation than normal here. This would be Hardy's first day of a contract since he collected his 90 days up until yesterday. If they allowed him to remain part of the roster, they couldn't keep him from going to the shows and all that. He could breech his contract or say that the WWE breached it. All in all, ANY wrestler still under contract could show up on the TNA PPV this Sunday. There would be consequences and repercussions, but ANY SINGLE WRESTLER could show up.

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Did Matt ever actually come right out and SAY he was going to be at the TNA PPV?

 

I thought he was using code words to hint at it.

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Why else would have be in Orlando on Sunday? He's mentioned it like every commentarry including the one after RAW. Still like I reasoned there's no way it can happen....can it?! Dum, Dum, Dum!

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"Sensors are detecting large amounts of sarcasm, Captain."

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He would have to be released first though. If he's truly in business for himself, WWE wouldn't let him go to TNA, they'd keep him under contract out of spite. That's the thing, for him to appear on RAW, WWE controls him. I'm trying to think of a way out of it too, because I want to believe so badly.... on the bright side Im gonna go to Summerslam in DC and the card was looking pretty blah to me, but Hardy vs. Feces in a worked shoot fight might be fun to see. 

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But we are dealing with an entirely different situation than normal here. This would be Hardy's first day of a contract since he collected his 90 days up until yesterday. If they allowed him to remain part of the roster, they couldn't keep him from going to the shows and all that. He could breech his contract or say that the WWE breached it. All in all, ANY wrestler still under contract could show up on the TNA PPV this Sunday. There would be consequences and repercussions, but ANY SINGLE WRESTLER could show up.

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Matt doesn't want a lawsuit. Brock was brough to his knees and HE brought the suit. Mcmahon beat the US government, by god! (TM WWE History © 1994-2005)

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Maybe WWE didn't make Hardy sign a new WWE contract yet...

 

Because maybe they realize TNA is not a threat to their business, and Hardy appearing in TNA and possibly bad-mouthing WWE on the PPV, will make the whole situation on Raw tonight seem more like a shoot.

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Maybe WWE didn't make Hardy sign a new WWE contract yet...

 

Because maybe they realize TNA is not a threat to their business, and Hardy appearing in TNA and possibly bad-mouthing WWE on the PPV, will make the whole situation on Raw tonight seem more like a shoot.

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*BUZZ* thanks for playing though. That would give TNA tons of publicity, incentive to order replays and a possible springboard if they are dubting on Spike in October. WWE tells its released talent to specifically not work TNA if they want a second look to be brought back. They may not see them as WCW level competition, but they sure don't want to help them any because they see the potential.

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Why, after Hardy attacked Edge in the ring, did security trap Edge in the corner leaving only a referee to stop Matt? Too easily did they allow him a mic, one that was turned on, for this to be even considered "real". Also, when a fan jumps the barrier, never is he escorted up the ramp on his way out of the building (nor does he get a camera zoomed in on his face). Aren't these types of people usually taken out of the arena via the sides of the ramp, with as little airtime as possible given to them?

 

The segment was great, it worked well. There's just a few minor details that could have been worked in to add more authenticity to Hardy's "invasion".