Campaign 2008

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I doubt if McCain somehow wins that there will be another Glenn Beck Gloatfest like in 2004.

 

I especially like the picture of Katie Couric picking her nose.

 

 

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

to shatter my dreams of home ownership, McCain had a slim 1 point lead in the Zogby poll but it was probably just a bad poll or something. Or maybe not.

 

Why doesn't it surprise me at all that you would parrot this crap from Drudge without even checking if it's true or not?

 

McCain had a 1 point lead in a single day of polling for a 3 day tracking poll, which Obama still leads by 5. Since a single day of said poll has a sample size of only 400 people, the margin of error for that 1-day result is huge (which is precisely why they do these 3 or 5 day tracking polls, to minimize the overall margin of error). Not only that, the poll in question uses party ID weightings that are extremely generous to the Republicans (it assumes that they are the same as in the 2004 election, which is clearly false). Really, the fact that McCain's best result is a 1 point lead on a single day of a tracking poll with a Republican lean just goes to show how far behind he is right now.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

McCain had a slim 1 point lead in the Zogby poll but it was probably just a bad poll or something.

Zogby defines "bad poll."

[bobobrazil1984 0]

to shatter my dreams of home ownership, McCain had a slim 1 point lead in the Zogby poll but it was probably just a bad poll or something. Or maybe not.

 

Why doesn't it surprise me at all that you would parrot this crap from Drudge without even checking if it's true or not?

 

McCain had a 1 point lead in a single day of polling for a 3 day tracking poll, which Obama still leads by 5. Since a single day of said poll has a sample size of only 400 people, the margin of error for that 1-day result is huge (which is precisely why they do these 3 or 5 day tracking polls, to minimize the overall margin of error). Not only that, the poll in question uses party ID weightings that are extremely generous to the Republicans (it assumes that they are the same as in the 2004 election, which is clearly false). Really, the fact that McCain's best result is a 1 point lead on a single day of a tracking poll with a Republican lean just goes to show how far behind he is right now.

 

Not to mention it was friday night HALLOWEEN. Meanwhile, Gallup's polls show a 10 point Obama lead.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I keep hearing that McCain may pick up a surprise state or two that are being overlooked in polls and campaigning as they are considered to be locks for Obama to win but I have no idea what states they could be.

 

I've heard numerous people say that the Media is manipulating the polls to demoralize people who intended to vote for McCain and possibly keep them away from the polls in a "my vote wont matter" way and that if they show up and vote it could lead to McCain winning in the end. If they stay away it will lead to the predicted Obama landslide win. Also, the media might be unmanipulating the polls to show McCain possibly winning to keep Obama supporters from not showing up because they felt Obama has it in the bag.

 

 

[bob_barron 0]

We don't have any Senate races here.

 

For Congress, I'm probably voting Republican. I don't mind Nita Lowey, our incumbent, but she's a textbook liberal who I disagree with on everything. The Republican challenger, Jim Russell, (who I saw passing out flyers at a football game today) is anti-immigration, and for decreasing American involvement in foreign affairs. He's an isolationist, basically.

 

http://www.russellforcongress.com/index.html

 

I don't like Russell either, and there's no 3rd party, so I'm just voting Republican since I'd rather they control Congress.

Illegal immigration is something that I'm somewhat righty on, but this guy isn't too subtle about his racism. He calls earned residence programmes amnesty, points out in his PowerPoint presentation the high levels of hispanic origins we have in our illegal immigrants, and so on. Even makes a crack about lawn maintenance.

 

I wasn't totally convinced yet, really, because everything is either a fact or a common stereotype regarding illegal immigration. But, then he also says he'll loosen legal immigration "to better accommodate those residents of European nations who wish to emigrate legally to America." In other words, he wants less latinos, more white people. Pretty freakin obvious. I have Australian and UK relatives who wish to move here but can't, and I feel immigration reform is sorely needed, but to play favourites on regions is pretty fucking racist.

 

Everything else about him seems okay but damn does that rub me the wrong way.

 

His big issue is illegal immigration, which sadly for him, no one cares about anymore.

 

Our editor hates him, saying he wants to go back to the isolationist policies of the 1930s that didn't work. I'm concerned because he said he wants to cut off military aid to Israel

 

[At Home 0]

I keep hearing that McCain may pick up a surprise state or two that are being overlooked in polls and campaigning as they are considered to be locks for Obama to win but I have no idea what states they could be.

 

I've heard numerous people say that the Media is manipulating the polls to demoralize people who intended to vote for McCain and possibly keep them away from the polls in a "my vote wont matter" way and that if they show up and vote it could lead to McCain winning in the end. If they stay away it will lead to the predicted Obama landslide win. Also, the media might be unmanipulating the polls to show McCain possibly winning to keep Obama supporters from not showing up because they felt Obama has it in the bag.

 

Stupidest.

 

Fucking.

 

Shit.

 

Ever.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I keep hearing that McCain may pick up a surprise state or two that are being overlooked in polls and campaigning as they are considered to be locks for Obama to win but I have no idea what states they could be.

 

I've heard numerous people say that the Media is manipulating the polls to demoralize people who intended to vote for McCain and possibly keep them away from the polls in a "my vote wont matter" way and that if they show up and vote it could lead to McCain winning in the end. If they stay away it will lead to the predicted Obama landslide win. Also, the media might be unmanipulating the polls to show McCain possibly winning to keep Obama supporters from not showing up because they felt Obama has it in the bag.

 

Stupidest.

 

Fucking.

 

Shit.

 

Ever.

 

I dont think you can argue with the fact that if the media keeps saying Obama landslide that some Obama supporters might not feel the urgent need to go out and actually cast their vote for him.

[bob_barron 0]

I think you can argue with that fact, Marvin. If you support Obama, odds are you're going to want to show your support by casting a vote. It's the apathetic people who won't be swayed to vote by a close election.

[At Home 0]

The media is firmly invested in a tight race.

[EricMM 0]

I like how Marvin just states that the Media is probably fixing the polls to help Obama win, unless they're not fixing the polls, to help Obama win.

 

Thats all the stupid I can handle, today

[SuperJerk 0]

And people say any white person voting for McCain is a racist?

 

The racism is from the people who agree with Obama on the issues, but won't vote for him because he's black, or because they heard he was a Muslim or Arab or somehow not a real. The decision to not vote for Obama because you don't agree with him or don't think he'd make a good president is perfectly rational and should be respected. The decision to vote for Obama should also be respected.

 

Do you think the black people who are voting for Obama wouldn't vote for him if he was white? There was, after all, great excitment in the black community for the candidacies of Bobby Kennedy and Bill Clinton. Would there be this much excitement over him in the black community if he were a Republican? Probably not, because black people usually line up with Democrats on major economic issues. The reason for this is many blacks feel like most leaders don't care about them, and a black president would be less likely to turn his back on them. A black person who doesn't trust white people has more justification than a white person that doesn't trust black people, given all the stuff that happened in the last 400 years, but that doesn't justify blindly voting for someone because of race.

 

I'm not going to pretend though that an Obama presidency doesn't make me proud because it does signify a giant leap forward for equality in this country, but that would be the case if he were a black Republican as well.

 

 

In the heat of a campaign, we sometimes forget that most of the time we agree on more than we disagree on. I hope most of us agree that either guy getting elected isn't going to be the end of the world.

 

 

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I like how Marvin just states that the Media is probably fixing the polls to help Obama win, unless they're not fixing the polls, to help Obama win.

 

Thats all the stupid I can handle, today

 

Well what would you expect from the media?

 

As far as my "Obama landslide might keep Obama supporters away", I think that it would definitely have an impact on the youth vote who probably won't want to stand in line 2 or 3 hours to vote for him if they think he's gonna win anyway.

 

Unrelated note..

 

 

I hope 120,000 is in Ameros or something, cause thats not $250,000 like Obama said..err..$200,000..or even $150,000 like Biden said.

[At Home 0]

I just went over that.

[SuperJerk 0]

I hope 120,000 is in Ameros or something, cause thats not $250,000 like Obama said..err..$200,000..or even $150,000 like Biden said.

 

Gosh, what are the chances that Richardson or Biden just accidentally said the wrong number?

 

Because, you know, Biden NEVER fucks up when he talks.

[At Home 0]

But are the three positions (250k, 200k, 120k) really inconsistent? Technically not. A classic Venn Diagram (and basic mathematical logic) would show that since everyone by definition that makes under $120,000 is below $250,000 and everyone below $200,000 is less than $250,000, the positions aren't contradictory. Neither Biden nor Richardson said that taxes would be hiked on those making less than $250,000. All they said was what groups would get tax relief. (Technically, not everyone in those groups gets tax relief under Obama's plan.)

[SuperJerk 0]

 

Yeah, THAT'S gonna change some minds.

 

[BruiserKC 0]

Was that a joke?

 

So, you're telling me that you're scared of the direction this country could be heading towards under Obama vis-a-vis some bullshit redistributionist welfare and socialist rhetoric.

 

As for the three figures up there:

But are the three positions (250k, 200k, 120k) really inconsistent? Technically not. A classic Venn Diagram (and basic mathematical logic) would show that since everyone by definition that makes under $120,000 is below $250,000 and everyone below $200,000 is less than $250,000, the positions aren't contradictory. Neither Biden nor Richardson said that taxes would be hiked on those making less than $250,000. All they said was what groups would get tax relief. (Technically, not everyone in those groups gets tax relief under Obama's plan.)

 

Not to mention that only 1.9% of American households make over $250k a year, as this graph shows, not your purported 5%. That's bullshit. Not to mention FURTHER, that Obama is raising the tax cuts on the wealthy only back to Clinton levels. Was it redistribution then? How about under Reagan, when they were higher than Obama's proposed rate? Furthemore, it would be nice to cut taxes for everyone, but perhaps you could present another way to somehow balance the budget. John McCain proposed cutting taxes for the lower class too, is this putting money into the hands of the poor as well?

 

How can you base tax increases on the top less than 2% as the "direction" of the country? What about health care? What about the continuation of a failed foreign policy program? What about the wall street meltdown? Why would you vote for a man who's entire economic policy is based around cutting earmarks, which amount to only a microscopic amount in the federal budget?

 

Please, reconsider what fuels the direction of the United States, and perhaps it'll become obvious that John McCain is the wrong man for the job.

 

 

 

Also, do you make more than $250,000 a year? If not, please tell me where your money is going to be "handed to" the lower class under Barack Obama's tax plan, but not John McCain's tax plan.

 

 

I make much less than $250K. It's out there that Obama's plans are to start wealth redistribution for people at an annual salary of $42K. And NO ONE is going to get a tax break, everyone is going to see their taxes go up. From the richest on down to the poorest. McCain's policies are no better, in fact either one of them isn't going to do any good. McCain's ideas are every bit as socialist, he was all about the government's involvement with the banks and putting all this money towards making sure business execs could go partridge hunting or get happy endings at high-end spas. McCain's and Obama's cronies all sold us out in this regards.

 

Universal health care isn't happening, where are we going to find the money to pay for it. As for a failed foreign policy, no attacks since 9/11. Plus, the surge in Iraq was working as now the Iraqi government is getting ready to step up to take care of things themselves after 2011. We have the Islamofascist threat that is still floating out there. In fact, what Biden said is true. I will say within the first year of the next Presidency, we're going to see radical Muslims attack again. If not in the US itself, it will attack somewhere there are serious American interests. The next president better have the guts to stand up to them and put this country first, not a world that hates us.

 

One big thing especially about Obama I can't stand is how he wants to take away all right-to-carry laws. He'd ban all guns in this country. As a hunter and a gun owner there is no way I'm letting the government take my guns away. Both McCain and Obama want to continue to take away our civil rights, no way I will ever forfeit one of them.

 

The Democrats and Republicans are one in the same anymore, no matter what they say. They've put their own interests first ahead of what Americans truly need. Look at a Congress with a brutal approval rating, about half of that right now of the president. I'm sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. If enough of us started throwing our weight behind the other parties, things might actually get done.

 

On election day, I'm voting for Bob Barr. And for my Senator and Congressman...I'm voting both Harkin and Boswell out for voting for the bailout.

 

[bob_barron 0]

Bob Barr's just as bad. He's a Republican who hopped off the bandwagon when things got rough. He's like the anti-Mitt Romney.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I found the Blue states that could surprisingly turn red. The source is lousy and all but the one key to all of the states listed is that Hillary won the Dem. Primary in each state, so...

 

he two reasons Democrats are citing for voting for McCain are because Obama is "cheating" and "attempting to buy the election."

 

and

 

The polling shows "undecideds breaking for McCain by 4 to 1.

 

MCCAIN STUNNING LANDSLIDE WIN! News at 2:35 am! Now for some footage of the powerboating squirrel!

 

 

[bob_barron 0]

I found the Blue states that could surprisingly turn red. The source is lousy and all but the one key to all of the states listed is that Hillary won the Dem. Primary in each state, so...

 

 

http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...ATES01/81101009

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport...35-13341be85e1e

[The Niggardly King 0]

Bob Barr's just as bad. He's a Republican who hopped off the bandwagon when things got rough. He's like the anti-Mitt Romney.

 

So when he shows up... the stock market plummets?

[Gary Floyd 0]

Bob Barr's just as bad. He's a Republican who hopped off the bandwagon when things got rough. He's like the anti-Mitt Romney.

 

I've been saying this to a friend of mine forever. He doesn't believe me, but oh well.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

I found the Blue states that could surprisingly turn red. The source is lousy and all but the one key to all of the states listed is that Hillary won the Dem. Primary in each state, so...

 

he two reasons Democrats are citing for voting for McCain are because Obama is "cheating" and "attempting to buy the election."

 

and

 

The polling shows "undecideds breaking for McCain by 4 to 1.

 

MCCAIN STUNNING LANDSLIDE WIN! News at 2:35 am! Now for some footage of the powerboating squirrel!

 

Maybe if you clap loud enough, marvster.

[EricMM 0]

all that Bruiser said

Are you seriously?

 

Man, you are like... such a mess.

 

He's going to take your guns away? Where in Gods name have you gotten that idea? Where did you get any ideas?

 

Yeah, the 42k number is out there, because some idiot floated it. That doesn't mean its legit, guy.

 

Stop letting other people scare you.

 

[Guest C*Z*E*C*H]

Bob Barr's just as bad. He's a Republican who hopped off the bandwagon when things got rough. He's like the anti-Mitt Romney.

"Bob Barron" can be rearranged, albeit minutely, to say "Bob Barr? NO!"

 

I guess with Obama, at least I'm confident that he won't surround himself with complete buffoons. I suppose I'm kinda end-phase-Kubler-Rossing here, but at least marginally brighter people will run the place for a little while, even if I'm opposed to what a lot of them believe. I can resist no longer. Good luck fixing up the joint, and make sure to cheer 'em on real hard, you little shits.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Bob Barr's just as bad. He's a Republican who hopped off the bandwagon when things got rough. He's like the anti-Mitt Romney.

"Bob Barron" can be rearranged, albeit minutely, to say "Bob Barr? NO!"

 

I guess with Obama, at least I'm confident that he won't surround himself with complete buffoons. I suppose I'm kinda end-phase-Kubler-Rossing here, but at least marginally brighter people will run the place for a little while, even if I'm opposed to what a lot of them believe. I can resist no longer. Good luck fixing up the joint, and make sure to cheer 'em on real hard, you little shits.

I'll give you credit Czech. At least you aren't jumping around crying about how Obama is going to give all of our money to the blacks.

 

Not that you needed it, but doesn't my endorsement still feel kind of good?

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

I wish I had Fox News on my channel listing. I just want to see their reaction if Obama wins.

[BruiserKC 0]

all that Bruiser said

Are you seriously?

 

Man, you are like... such a mess.

 

He's going to take your guns away? Where in Gods name have you gotten that idea? Where did you get any ideas?

 

Yeah, the 42k number is out there, because some idiot floated it. That doesn't mean its legit, guy.

 

Stop letting other people scare you.

 

Why is it that just because I refuse to drink the Obama or McCain Kool-Aid that I'm a mess?

 

Obama's voting record in any bill regarding guns or issues involving 2nd Amendment rights, look it up. He has voted against the use of them or ammunition every time. I'm not talking the extreme ones like armor-piercing bullets, I'm talking just regular rifle ammunition.

 

The interview that came out from a Chicago public radio station from 2001 had him saying that he is sorry that during the civil rights movement that the issue of income redistribution was not discussed or brought to the courts. I'm all for helping people that need it, but this would be like my son being forced to give some of his Halloween candy to the kid next door who didn't go trick or treating. Use the money I'm being taxed to be put into programs to help these people find work, not to just give it to them as welfare.

 

Besides, a lot of people I've talked to regarding this election believe that neither Obama nor McCain are the best for the job. That's why you have a ton of conservatives holding their nose to vote for McCain and a lot of liberals wondering if Hillary would have been better suited for the job. Not to mention that if Obama gets in, you're going to see the secular-progressives and far left-wing nutjobs looking for their piece of flesh. Folks like Pelosi, Harry Reed, or possibly Senator Stuart Smalley (Franken has a good shot at unseating Coleman in Minn.) running things with a free hand makes me want to vomit.

 

I almost guarantee we'll be in worse shape 4 years from now as a country. I really, truly, honestly want to be wrong but something tells me we're in serious trouble and headed right down the path to another Great Depression. After all, one of the first things Hoover tried to do was raise the taxes of the upper 5% by a good amount. And look where the economy eventually ended up.

 

Not to mention people that will kowtow to the United Nations. Yes, Iraq was royally fucked up and they had no real plan going in. But they were enforcing all those resolutions that Saddam had thumbed his nose at all those years. The real reason many of these other nations wouldn't do it is because they were in bed with him regarding business. I want the next president to put the United States of America first, not the United Nations first. I have no problem with cooperating with the rest of the world to rid the Islamofascists, but our leader needs to do it in a way that caters to our needs first.

 

Again, I don't want to be wrong. I want us to be in a better place in a couple of years, but I just don't see that with Obama or McCain. And as a result, why should I vote for one of them if I don't believe in them to be the one to lead us?

 

 

 

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