Birchill called up? RAW worker w/ familiar role?

[Downhome 0]

Holy shit...

 

 

Is this guy totally under a normal contract? How old is he and everything? I just don't quite know what to say about that short video.

 

Wow.

[jwpeer 0]

We know HHH is gonna lobby for him to be able to use it, so he can no-sell it at a ppv someday!

 

 

Right?

[JJ Johnson 0]

Nope. That move is 75% opponent cooperation, and we all know HHH jumps for NOBODY!!!

[jwpeer 0]

Nope. That move is 75% opponent cooperation, and we all know HHH jumps for NOBODY!!!

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Hahahah, that's true. I realize it's opponent coop on that move...which is probably the main reason he can't use it, because does Christ Masters really have the athletic ability to do that move?

 

Now him working with Shelton without restrictions would be a different story...

 

*Can hope*

[Guest Fishyswa]

I hate moves like that. It just makes no sense.

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

Holy Christ. This is my first time seeing this guy... PLEASE DON'T NEUTER HIM WWE. PLEASE. That double suplex was pretty damn crazy. If they had him doing stuff like that in the WWE, he could get over and FAST. And that Big Ben music that went with that clip would be awesome for him too.

[Dandy 0]

This is easily the third or fourth thread about Burchill. I started one of them to ask about his progress in OVW and if they allowed him to wrestle that style.

 

 

I figured the best way to bring him in was to have him dominate a few smaller wrestlers (not necessarily the cruiser division) for a month or two and have him do some limited impressive spots. After that, have him move to midcard and get him up to par doing consistently good matches. In two years time, you could have a hell of a main eventer!

 

 

Now that it looks like he is being grouped with Regal, I like this idea better. Not only will it give another tag team to an abysmal division, he can get built up slowly while learning all sorts of good shit from Regal. Regal can be the mouthpiece if he can't do a good promo.

[AlaskanHero 0]

I think the C4 could be done in the WWE. The other person basically just needs to flip forward and land on their back, and isn't that one of those basic, first things they teach in wrestling training?

[jwpeer 0]

I think the C4 could be done in the WWE. The other person basically just needs to flip forward and land on their back, and isn't that one of those basic, first things they teach in wrestling training?

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You'd think, but this is the WWE, we'd rather do high ric-flair style back-body drops than low-impact near the ground flips.

 

I think they'd be more worried about Burchill's backflip part of it though, they have this ridiculous fear of backflips.

[notJames 0]

The C4 ruins my suspension of disbelief the way the Canadian Destroyer does. Plus it looks kinda silly, like I'm watching Cirque de Soleil. Doing it from the top rope might make it look more "real", but as it is, I'm not all that impressed.

[Dandy 0]

The C4 ruins my suspension of disbelief the way the Canadian Destroyer does. Plus it looks kinda silly, like I'm watching Cirque de Soleil. Doing it from the top rope might make it look more "real", but as it is, I'm not all that impressed.

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I view this as much more believable than the Destroyer. To me, it is the impact of a powerslam, with the opponent taking basically the same bump they would from a powerslam, but add the velocity that it would take for Burchill to perform a backflip while holding a man in one arm. I'm pretty sure that Lesnar, Burchill, and other really strong guys that are agile could probably hold a weighted dummy in one arm and complete half a backflip. The opponent assists like on just about every wrestling move for two reasons, to make it easier and safer.

[jwpeer 0]

The C4 ruins my suspension of disbelief the way the Canadian Destroyer does. Plus it looks kinda silly, like I'm watching Cirque de Soleil. Doing it from the top rope might make it look more "real", but as it is, I'm not all that impressed.

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I'd have to say the full-nelson being a viable finisher is more unbelievable than the C-4. But isn't it supposed to be unbelievable, it isn't an actual competition (I mean people not stopping after being irish whipped into the ropes, do they lose control of their motor functions, that's the least believable thing in ALL of wrestling, so why can't you believe a well-sold C-4?)

[notJames 0]

I dunno. Maybe it's the superfluousness of the backflip. Sure, it's impressive that a man that size can do one, and sure, it's impressive that he can do it while holding another human being. But is it really necessary? Will doing the flip hurt more than just slamming the guy to the mat? On its own, sure it's an interesting move. but in the context of a match, it's just kinda there with no purpose. It just seems like more flash than anything. Maybe it's because it looks like a Japanese armdrag, which I also think looks silly.

 

To each his own.

[Dandy 0]

Myself, I like it when people use some flash. Otherwise it would be more like college wrestling or MMA. Not that those are bad, but this is "pro wrestling." If someone can do a backflip while beating you, that's damn impressive.

 

 

If you look at pro wrestling as being "real," each wrestler is trying to gain notoriety, fame, earn more money, and impress. The more famous they become, the more money they have the chance to earn, the more the crowd loves/hates them, etc. It's also about showmanship and demonstrating how much better they are than their opponents.

[jwpeer 0]

Myself, I like it when people use some flash.  Otherwise it would be more like college wrestling or MMA.  Not that those are bad, but this is "pro wrestling."  If someone can do a backflip while beating you, that's damn impressive.

 

 

If you look at pro wrestling as being "real," each wrestler is trying to gain notoriety, fame, earn more money, and impress.  The more famous they become, the more money they have the chance to earn, the more the crowd loves/hates them, etc.  It's also about showmanship and demonstrating how much better they are than their opponents.

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I have to agree with this...and doing something physically impressive is what it's all about. So all the kiddies want to buy the newest wrestling game so they can have Paul Burchill doing a C-4!

 

Money!

[notJames 0]

This move is somewhat reminiscent of Scott Steiner's original blockbuster suplex, back when he wasn't so freakishly 'roided up. It was essentially a "fallaway slam", except he actually backflipped while holding the guy, and then he'd land on him. In comparison, it looked more impressive than the C4, plus it was much more believeable.

 

But yeah, if you're able to dismiss the reality of a fight from the equation, it is sorta neat. Kinda sorta...

 

... nah, to me it's still silly.

 

What would really impress me is if someone would pull off Phil LaFon's top rope inverted (or reverse, I forget) suplex. That shit was awesome.

[clean rob 0]

I dunno. Maybe it's the superfluousness of the backflip. Sure, it's impressive that a man that size can do one, and sure, it's impressive that he can do it while holding another human being. But is it really necessary? Will doing the flip hurt more than just slamming the guy to the mat?

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Definitely. Being thrown hurts a LOT more if you have someone else coming down on top of you at the same time. It makes it really difficult not to have the wind knocked out of you by the throw - especially, I would imagine, if the guy is approaching 300lbs.

 

I'm definitely excited about Burchill debuting in WWE - for a relative rookie, he's very impressive, although I disagree he's as good as Lesnar, who was truly special towards the latter stages of his run. Burchill could definitely go that way himself though, and his cool spots should get him over while he hones his ring skills. The prospect of a big Burchill-Lesnar match down the line has me salivating.

 

Also, I don't see why WWE should neuter Burchill's moveset too much... aside from the Air Raid Crash (which is gone for sure) and to a lesser extent his flip dive, none of his moves are particularly dangerous.

 

Pairing him up with Regal = good idea.

Cutting all his cool spots = bad idea.

[Guest Fishyswa]

It's silly because it's just not logical. The impact on the backflip bump is greater than the impact on the rolling bump, and it expands more energy. So it's risk/reward ratio is all kinds of stupid.

 

The whole idea of "showmanship" being a part of it makes no sense. That's like saying AJ Styles does 937293 flips on the spinal tap and barely lands on the guy with part of his arm because he's a great showman.

[jwpeer 0]

It's silly because it's just not logical. The impact on the backflip bump is greater than the impact on the rolling bump, and it expands more energy. So it's risk/reward ratio is all kinds of stupid.

 

The whole idea of "showmanship" being a part of it makes no sense. That's like saying AJ Styles does 937293 flips on the spinal tap and barely lands on the guy with part of his arm because he's a great showman.

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I just don't believe logic ever comes into play in pro wrestling. If it did, most of the silly conventions would be dead already and it'd just be fake mma action...which isn't really entertaining compared to real mma action.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

The difference is Burchill has done those moves on smaller guys who's used to being thrown around. If he tried that shit in WWE, I don't see the likes of Booker T or Benoit being able to cooperate properly. It'd end up looking botched and would make Burchill look even stupider for trying. It's just not happening, guys.

[jwpeer 0]

The difference is Burchill has done those moves on smaller guys who's used to being thrown around. If he tried that shit in WWE, I don't see the likes of Booker T or Benoit being able to cooperate properly. It'd end up looking botched and would make Burchill look even stupider for trying. It's just not happening, guys.

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I don't believe it'll happen either. It's too complicated for the WWE...but hopefully Regal can help get him over, because I do like his look.

[cameron chaos 0]

Almost every move in wrestling involves cooperation. We've seen even Chokeslams can be hard to do if the other person isn't willing, I don't see why the C4 is any more far fetched than Booker T's "I'll kick you and you'll stay there for 20 seconds while I bounce off the ropes" axe kick or Chris Masters "easily escapable if you raise your arms and drop to your ass or clap your hands together and break the grip" Masterlock. If you want to apply logic elsewhere, HHH, Foley, DDP, Austin, Undertaker, Rock, Rikishi and many more would be in prison for kidnapping/assault/vehicular assault/destruction of private property/stalking/violation of privacy and probably more. Anyone still watching wrestling for realism is stupid simply because wrestling is not realistic. If the bump is botched or comes off weak in WWE it will be down to the cooperation aspect over anything else. If sold correctly it could get over, if botched or dogged by the recipient it will look like shit. Same can be said for the Pedigree (when Foley always blocked the impact too much in their 97 matches) or the Crippler Crossface (Eddy didn't bother to sell it at ECW ONS) though.

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Almost every move in wrestling involves cooperation. We've seen even Chokeslams can be hard to do if the other person isn't willing, I don't see why the C4 is any more far fetched than Booker T's "I'll kick you and you'll stay there for 20 seconds while I bounce off the ropes" axe kick or Chris Masters "easily escapable if you raise your arms and drop to your ass or clap your hands together and break the grip" Masterlock. If you want to apply logic elsewhere, HHH, Foley, DDP, Austin, Undertaker, Rock, Rikishi and many more would be in prison for kidnapping/assault/vehicular assault/destruction of private property/stalking/violation of privacy and probably more. Anyone still watching wrestling for realism is stupid simply because wrestling is not realistic. If the bump is botched or comes off weak in WWE it will be down to the cooperation aspect over anything else. If sold correctly it could get over, if botched or dogged by the recipient it will look like shit. Same can be said for the Pedigree (when Foley always blocked the impact too much in their 97 matches) or the Crippler Crossface (Eddy didn't bother to sell it at ECW ONS) though.

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The difference between a C4 and Booker's axe kick is... ahh fuck it. This is just so stupid to even debate.

[nl5xsk1 0]

When a move so blatantly needs the cooperation of an opponent, it loses it's luster for me. Yes, I recognize that MOST moves involve some level of cooperation (e.g. we've all seen the Undertaker & an opponent mis-time the Last Ride and have to use a double-effort & arm strength to get the guy up when the jump is timed wrong) ... moves like this are like some of the CW flippy-floppy moves ... they just look way too contrived.

[jwpeer 0]

When a move so blatantly needs the cooperation of an opponent, it loses it's luster for me.  Yes, I recognize that MOST moves involve some level of cooperation (e.g. we've all seen the Undertaker & an opponent mis-time the Last Ride and have to use a double-effort & arm strength to get the guy up when the jump is timed wrong) ... moves like this are like some of the CW flippy-floppy moves ... they just look way too contrived.

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See, I see the way he has his arm wrapped around his opponent as emphasizing the fact that he's -supposedly- carrying them into the flip using his own strength. I'm more likely to believe that then crap like the Hulking Up/People's Elbow/Five Knuckle Shuffle type stuff that's really grounded in the realm of fantasy. Course my favorite move to watch right now is a Batista Spinebuster, which is as real as any high-impact body-slam type move will ever look. Guess it's all about what an individual is willing to buy into as a fan and what triggers their buttons.

[nl5xsk1 0]

When a move so blatantly needs the cooperation of an opponent, it loses it's luster for me.  Yes, I recognize that MOST moves involve some level of cooperation (e.g. we've all seen the Undertaker & an opponent mis-time the Last Ride and have to use a double-effort & arm strength to get the guy up when the jump is timed wrong) ... moves like this are like some of the CW flippy-floppy moves ... they just look way too contrived.

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See, I see the way he has his arm wrapped around his opponent as emphasizing the fact that he's -supposedly- carrying them into the flip using his own strength. I'm more likely to believe that then crap like the Hulking Up/People's Elbow/Five Knuckle Shuffle type stuff that's really grounded in the realm of fantasy. Course my favorite move to watch right now is a Batista Spinebuster, which is as real as any high-impact body-slam type move will ever look. Guess it's all about what an individual is willing to buy into as a fan and what triggers their buttons.

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Those are every bit as stupid in my eyes. Also add in things like the 619, Rikishi's ass in the face thing, the Bronco Buster, and things like Booker's 'move that leaves the guy doubled over for 15 seconds so he can give him a weak looking axe-kick".

[Downhome 0]

The only moves that I'm not a big fan of are the ones where someone holds their self up for an extended period of time, like for a guillotine leg drop or something.

 

Some of you guys must really hate basic moves like a suplex, etc...

[Ripper 0]

Don't go downing the destroyer. it is very plausible.

 

And honestly, when a move is in full speed, it looks really cool and realistic. you take anymove in a animated Gif and its going to look a little silly.

[Dandy 0]

I like the Destroyer and I find it plausible. I'm saying that the C4 is more believable than The Canadian Destroyer as someone brought it up earlier.

[Ripper 0]

One thing that I noticed from the Monster moments, is that though his inring moves look like they are dangerous, they are all VERY very safe. Every bump was a flat back bump and not that much impact. They just looked great. Now, the DVD off the side of the ring onto the table MIGHT be a LITTLE more risky but for the most part, almost all of his offense should be able to translate to the WWE. Except the C4. He could only use that on a select few.