Fatwa issued by radical cleric

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Pat Robertson on The 700 Club, Aug. 22

 

You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if [Chavez] thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United ... This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability.

 

Ask yourself, friends, Who Would Jesus Assassinate?

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The devil.

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Your mom.

[Dangerous A 0]

Robertson is a muthafuckin fool for this one.

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bigolsmitty.

 

Seriously though- I hate the 700 club.

[Art Sandusky 0]

The way this was titled was pretty cool.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

 

"the father, the son, and the bad motherf..."

includes Ninja-Messiah throwing nails & Death Killer-Cross pump action over-under shotgun

[Downhome 0]

I've been seeing a gal from Venezuela, just moved here this year and her mom still lives there, and I asked her about this today. She immediately called Hugo Chávez a pile of shit, and said that she would care at all if something like this happened to him.

[Danville_Wrestling 0]

Yea, Robertson went a little crazy with this comment and I don't agree with him on this, even though I'm not a big Hugo Chavez fan myself.

 

Mr. Chavez is just a pain in the neck for the State Department b/c of his nationalization of energy resources in Venezuela, his ties with Cuba (exchanging energy w/Castro for health care services), and his put down of democracy in Latin America. Colombia, our major ally in the war on drugs, sees Venezuela as helping out the FARC in Colombia's 30+ year civil war and claims that Mr. Chavez is trying to bring down their government so he can spread his socialist "Bolivarian Revolution" throughout South America.

 

Chavez is a very polarizing figure in his own country. A recall referendum in 2003 (or maybe 2004) failed to get him ousted from power and a coup attempt against him years ago before the referendum also failed. His support mostly comes from the poor class in Venezuela because he uses the nationalized oil profits to pay for education, health care, etc. The only problem with this policy, though, is that if oil prices go down (which, thankfully for Mr. Chavez they haven't) Mr. Chavez is going to be f**ked when it comes to balancing his budget.

 

With all of that said, though, assassination isn't an option. To assassinate a leader there has to be a brightline between what is or isn't needed and simply going out and killing leaders because of their political views (what we did in the Cold War) is a bad standard. I can understand killing a leader we are at war with (ex. Adolf Hitler in WW2), but if it's simply a conflict of political ideas then it's out of line.

 

However, Mr. Robertson is just expressing his opinion and he's not in a position to influence anyone towards a particular course of action. I just wish criticism like this would be leveled against other groups who call for President Bush to be assassinated abroad and things, but it's not like Mr. Robertson has anything to lose here.

[CanadianChris 0]

I wouldn't be against him going down to Venezuela to do the job himself. We'd be rid of at least one of them that way.

[SuperJerk 0]

Is it just me, or is it every fundamentalist takes everything in the Bible as literally true except the parts where Jesus talks about loving one another, forgiving, and taking care of people?

 

I vote we take some Jesus quotes, attribute them to someone else, then watch the fundamentalists call whoever said it a dirty liberal.

[CanadianChris 0]

I vote we take some Jesus quotes, attribute them to someone else, then watch the fundamentalists call whoever said it a dirty liberal.

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Post of the day.

[NoCalMike 0]

Yea, Robertson went a little crazy with this comment and I don't agree with him on this, even though I'm not a big Hugo Chavez fan myself.

 

Mr. Chavez is just a pain in the neck for the State Department b/c of his nationalization of energy resources in Venezuela, his ties with Cuba (exchanging energy w/Castro for health care services), and his put down of democracy in Latin America.  Colombia, our major ally in the war on drugs, sees Venezuela as helping out the FARC in Colombia's 30+ year civil war and claims that Mr. Chavez is trying to bring down their government so he can spread his socialist "Bolivarian Revolution" throughout South America.

 

Chavez is a very polarizing figure in his own country.  A recall referendum in 2003 (or maybe 2004) failed to get him ousted from power and a coup attempt against him years ago before the referendum also failed.  His support mostly comes from the poor class in Venezuela because he uses the nationalized oil profits to pay for education, health care, etc.  The only problem with this policy, though, is that if oil prices go down (which, thankfully for Mr. Chavez they haven't) Mr. Chavez is going to be f**ked when it comes to balancing his budget.

 

With all of that said, though, assassination isn't an option.  To assassinate a leader there has to be a brightline between what is or isn't needed and simply going out and killing leaders because of their political views (what we did in the Cold War) is a bad standard.  I can understand killing a leader we are at war with (ex. Adolf Hitler in WW2), but if it's simply a conflict of political ideas then it's out of line.

 

However, Mr. Robertson is just expressing his opinion and he's not in a position to influence anyone towards a particular course of action.  I just wish criticism like this would be leveled against other groups who call for President Bush to be assassinated abroad and things, but it's not like Mr. Robertson has anything to lose here.

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Isn't gas only 12 cents a gallon there? He is also running 70% approval ratings, and has been democratically elected three times.

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I'm sure Mike_Sc has labelled him a dangerous dictator by now.

 

There's a reason it's called the 'right', not the 'correct'.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

He is also running 70% approval ratings, and has been democratically elected three times.

 

Right wingers will claim voter fraud if you say Chavez was democratically elected. They *hate* Chavez.

 

The Bush admin did help with a coup to try to overthrow him, so he might have good reason to think that they might try to assassinate him.

 

His ties with Castro do make me uneasy, but it seems like the people of Venezuela love him.

 

Oh, and he called Bush a "dickhead", or the Spanish equivalent.

 

This is one of my favorite quotes I've ever read about the situation in Venezuela.

 

Let's begin with this: 77% of Venezuela's farmland is owned by 3% of the population, the 'hacendados.'

 

I met one of these farmlords in Caracas at an anti-Chavez protest march. Oddest demonstration I've ever seen: frosted blondes in high heels clutching designer bags, screeching, "Chavez - dic-ta-dor!" The plantation owner griped about the "socialismo" of Chavez, then jumped into his Jaguar convertible.

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Isn't gas only 12 cents a gallon there? He is also running 70% approval ratings, and has been democratically elected three times.

 

 

Actually Mike, the guy is a fuckass. I mentioned this to my wife and while we don't agree about Pat Robertson shooting off at the mouth like he did, she did say Chavez is a pretty brutal bastard who pretty much has intimidated his way to the top. She knows some people who left Venezuela because he's such an ass. He is one of those people that makes people who speak out against him "disappear" all of a sudden.

[NoCalMike 0]

Isn't gas only 12 cents a gallon there? He is also running 70% approval ratings, and has been democratically elected three times.

 

 

Actually Mike, the guy is a fuckass. I mentioned this to my wife and while we don't agree about Pat Robertson shooting off at the mouth like he did, she did say Chavez is a pretty brutal bastard who pretty much has intimidated his way to the top. She knows some people who left Venezuela because he's such an ass. He is one of those people that makes people who speak out against him "disappear" all of a sudden.

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Well I wasn't trying to suggest he was a good person, but I was just giving reasons why he might be popular among peasants. I hardly know a thing about him, besides what the information you just shined on the subject....

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Chavez offers cheap gas to poor in U.S.

 

HAVANA, Cuba (Reuters) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular with the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with cheap supplies of gasoline.

 

"We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of a visit to Communist-run Cuba.

 

Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which has 14,000 gas stations in the United States.

 

The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America.

 

Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela, where consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas prices have risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

 

Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.

 

Venezuela supplies Cuba with generously financed oil and plans to help Caribbean nations foot their oil bills.

 

Chavez, in Cuba to attend the graduation of Cuban-trained doctors from 28 countries, was seen off at the airport by Cuban President Fidel Castro. Washington has accused the two leaders of being a destabilizing influence in South America.

 

Chavez and Castro offered to give poor Americans free health care and train doctors free of charge.

 

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[Danville_Wrestling 0]

LOL, how does he intend on being able to do that? It's not like you can just smuggle in natural gas over the border (although with the state of our borders to the south you can probably do a lot of things without people noticing these days).

[Stephen Joseph 0]

what speculators and intermediaries? HIS OIL BUSINESS IS STATE RUN~!

 

CITGO~!

 

AHRRRGHHH LOGIC

[Gary Floyd 0]

Well, let's look at Robertsons track record

 

-His recent call for the assasination of Hugo Chavez

-Talked about hoping the State Department would be blown up by a nuke.

-Asked his Viewers to pray for the deaths of SCOTUS judges.

-Said that 9/11 was a part of God's wrath

-Believes all feminists are lesbians

-Said Disney would (or should) be hit by a meterorite for allowing a "Gay Day" (This guy really hates homosexuals. I wonder if he's a closet case)

-A voiceover on his show called Hinduism "demonic"

-Believes liberals made up the Seperation of Church and state, and that it was never in the Constitution

-Believes the "liberal media" and homosexuals want to destroy all Christians

-Says that those involved with Adolf Hitler were Satanists and homosexuals-and that the two go together

-Said what Nazi Germany did to the Jews Liberals are doing to evangelical Christianity.

-Thinks homosexuals want to turn our children gay

-Says that "Planned Parenthoods are teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism -- everything that the Bible condemns."

-Says that the court is just a ruse that allows athiests to beat up on Christians

 

and the list goes on

 

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What Would Jesus Do?

 

Smite the faggots.

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What Would Jesus Do?

 

Smite the faggots.

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Love thy neighbor as thyself.

 

(Man, that sounds so wrong when spoken aloud in the 21st century.)

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More people have been killed in the name of God then for any other cause.

 

God is tired of people killing in his name.

[SuperJerk 0]

Well, let's look at Robertsons track record

 

-Believes liberals made up the Seperation of Church and state, and that it was never in the Constitution

-Believes the "liberal media" and homosexuals want to destroy all Christians

-Says that those involved with Adolf Hitler were Satanists and homosexuals-and that the two go together

-Thinks homosexuals want to turn our children gay

-Says that "Planned Parenthoods are teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism -- everything that the Bible condemns."

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Let me point out this is all stuff I was taught in church as a child.

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Well, let's look at Robertsons track record

 

-Believes liberals made up the Seperation of Church and state, and that it was never in the Constitution

-Believes the "liberal media" and homosexuals want to destroy all Christians

-Says that those involved with Adolf Hitler were Satanists and homosexuals-and that the two go together

-Thinks homosexuals want to turn our children gay

-Says that "Planned Parenthoods are teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism -- everything that the Bible condemns."

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Let me point out this is all stuff I was taught in church as a child.

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I was raised Catholic, and was basically taught the whole "Love Thy Neighbor" and "Don't Judge Others" kind of thing. I don't consider myself Catholic anymore (I'm actually a Deist), but that's what I was taught.

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More Pat hilarity:

 

 

 

 

We have enough votes to run the country. And when the people say, "We've had enough," we are going to take over.

-- Pat Robertson, speech given to the April, 1980 "Washington for Jesus" rally, quoted from Robert Boston, The Most Dangerous Man in America, p. 29

 

If Christian people work together, they can succeed during this decade in winning back control of the institutions that have been taken from them over the past 70 years. Expect confrontations that will be not only unpleasant but at times physically bloody.... This decade will not be for the faint of heart, but the resolute. Institutions will be plunged into wrenching change. We will be living through one of the most tumultuous periods of human history. When it is over, I am convinced God's people will emerge victorious.

-- Pat Robertson, Pat Robertson's Perspective Oct-Nov 1992

 

We at the Christian Coalition are raising an army who cares. We are training people to be effective -- to be elected to school boards, to city councils, to state legislatures, and to key positions in political parties.... By the end of this decade, if we work and give and organize and train, THE CHRISTIAN COALITION WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA.

-- Pat Robertson, in a fundraising letter, July 4, 1991

 

There is never in the Constitution at any point, anything that applies that to the states, none at all. The Supreme Court has done it over repeated attempts by Congress which have been beaten back to do such a thing.

-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, April 11, 1986

 

A Supreme Court ruling is not the Law of the United States. The law of the United Sates is the Constitution, treaties made in accordance with the Constitution, and laws duly enacted by the Congress and signed by the president. And any of those things I would uphold totally with all of my strength, whether I agreed with them or not.... I am bound by the laws of the United States and all 50 states ... [but] I am not bound by any case or any court to which I myself am not a party.... I don't think the Congress of the United States is subservient to the courts.... They can ignore a Supreme Court ruling if they so choose.

-- Pat Robertson, speaking to a group of Washington Post writers, as reported in the Washington Post, June 27,1986

 

We have imagined ourselves invulnerable and have been consumed by the pursuit of ... health, wealth, material pleasures and sexuality... It [terrorism] is happening because God Almighty is lifting his protection from us.

-- Pat Robertson, in a three-page statement released Thursday, September 13, 2001, quoted from AANEWS #958 by American Atheists (September 14, 2001)

 

I think George Bush is going to win in a walk. I really believe that I'm hearing from the Lord it's going to be like a blowout election of 2004. It's shaping up that way. The Lord has just blessed him.... I mean, he could make terrible mistakes and comes out of it. It doesn't make any difference what he does, good or bad. God picks him up because he's a man of prayer and God's blessing him.

-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, January 2, 2004

 

The Constitution of the United States, for instance, is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. And that's what's been happening.

-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, December 30, 1981

 

When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. "What do you mean?" the media challenged me. "You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?" My simple answer is, "Yes, they are."

-- Pat Robertson, The New World Order, p. 218

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Robertson is so powerless in the grand scheme of things that it's not really worth writing a bullet-point summary of every stupid thing he's said over the years.

 

Which is why he unleashes whoppers like these for the attention (and donations) he so desperately craves.