Hogan/Michaels Backstage gossip

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The sad part is the Nitro lineup sucks, but it doesn't suck nearly as bad as Raw.

[naiwf 0]

I won't say it was all Shawn's fault, but the only time since 1984 that I consistently stopped watching the WWF/E product was while he was on top, and I know I'm not the only person who felt that way. There have been plenty of guys who I didn't like who were "the man" so to speak in all of the major feds, but no one turned me off more than HBK. Before anyone asks, I was an important fan to lose, because I was a Nielsen home that contributed to WCW's 88 (?) consecutive week run as #1.

[Guest TheAustralian]

I can’t believe this.

 

I haven’t posted in a while due to no time but I believe this has to be said.

 

The Anti-HBK propaganda here is shocking, was HBK an Angel? ofcourse not.

 

Everyone will admit the man was a self destructive jerk who only ever looked out for himself.

 

But to point out HBK as the lowest draw while ignoring equally bad draws such as IWC heroes Bret Hart, Chris Benoit and others is disturbing.

 

HBK did all he could to make Hogan look good, Hogan could barely fucking move in that match and HBK at least tried to make it entertaining. I don’t blame him for being pissed off.

 

Stop fucking bringing up the past, sure HBK threatened to leave but newsflash so did your hero Bret Hart.

 

HBK is one of the few entertaining things in the WWE at the moment, one of the few putting on good matches, promo’s etc.

 

 

 

But hey you guys will continue to hate thee guy because he screwed the lowest drawing champ ever, yes your Hero Bret “I’m a mark for myself” Hart.

 

GET THE FUCK OVER IT.

[Sass 0]

If Shawn really cared about his brothers and sisters in the back, and the fans to extent, he would have threatened Vince to put on a better card around his ME matches since, if he had a brain, he'd notice the crummy numbers he pulled in as champ and do something to change that (since more money = bigger raises). He had the pull to get away with murder and could have said anything to Vince. I highly, highly *doubt* Vince would have had many qualms about putting on better matches during his TV shows and PPV's. Same deal with HHH who, if he really cared about other people, including his own future financial gains, he would get Steph to book the absolutely best card her bad soap writer head can come up with and start asking for ideas from people who know how to earn money but also know how to lose it (Corny & Heyman).

 

Ric Flair, looking back, is probably one of the best bookers a guy in wrestling could have ever had. He knew what drew, he wrestled too and he booked solid shows, for the most part, during his runs with the book. It's a damn shame he can't/shouldn't/won't have the keys to the head booker role because, without getting screwed with by the McMahons, a Flair/Corny/Heyman booking committee *could* be the group that saves the WWE from booking garbage.

 

If Paul fuckin Heyman can get fans to believe the Public Enemy are thugs, then he can get John Cena over as a rap-appreciation thug. Corny would be best suited to book SD! since he's familiar with guys like Batista, Orton, and the other OVW graduates who he worked with. Play to the strengths and cover up the weaknesses...which Corny is good at. He booked Smokey Mountain for years and *knows* how to book good brawls to cover up for the lack of in-ring creativity some workers might be lacking. Let Flair have the final input on the shows and then tell Vince what the card will be. Vince can't have final say unless he's going to fire someone, which could extend over to his booker group, who would not be untouchable to can. But Vince is a lucky and savy promoter, not a booker. Just let the pros handle the booking.

 

If HHH *really* gave a shit about wrestling, since he's the so-called "student of the game," he would do everything in his married power to get Steph to let go of the book and allow others to book, which could give her more time to understand what *works* in wrestling and what doesn't (most of her crap). Like it or not, she's looking like the head honcho in the WWE once Vince passes away. She needs all the help she can get and HHH, who has cut the legs out from more than one worker in the past, needs to turn that backstage pull of his from a negative (hold down the product) to a positive (giving everyone on the show something to do and the chance to get over with fans).

 

Ric Flair, Jim Cornette and Paul Heyman all in the same room...working together. It's a meeting of the minds (and egos) to say the least.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

But hey you guys will continue to hate thee guy because he screwed the lowest drawing champ ever, yes your Hero Bret “I’m a mark for myself” Hart.

 

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Kevin Nash says hello.

[Guest TheAustralian]

Kevin Nash says hello.

 

He does.

 

Tell him I said "Hi".

 

 

 

 

 

Nash went on to be part of one of biggest drawing storylines ever, and while your right Nash arguably is the lowest drawing WWE champ.

 

The NWO saves him and proves he could of been a draw. IMO.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Kevin Nash says hello.

 

Nash went on to be part of one of biggest drawing storylines ever, and while your right Nash arguably is the lowest drawing WWE champ.

 

The NWO saves him and proves he could of been a draw. IMO.

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Nash was part of a big drawing storyline, but put on his own, he sucked the big one. Just about any WWF wrestler could have been put in his position and got over given how the NWO was booked and pushed. Nash could have been a draw, but when given his chance to run with the ball, he bombed.

[Sass 0]

I can’t believe this.

 

I haven’t posted in a while due to no time but I believe this has to be said.

 

The Anti-HBK propaganda here is shocking, was HBK an Angel? ofcourse not.

 

Everyone will admit the man was a self destructive jerk who only ever looked out for himself.

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Yeah, this is true.

 

But to point out HBK as the lowest draw while ignoring equally bad draws such as IWC heroes Bret Hart, Chris Benoit and others is disturbing.

 

This is also true. Don't be so dense here though. You're the only one who's disturbed about the "lack" of discussion about Benoit and Hart's poor drawing ability since it was never being discussed in the first place, which is just pathetic. Take off the ruby sunglasses for a moment and *look* at what you're saying here, or trying to at least.

 

HBK did all he could to make Hogan look good, Hogan could barely fucking move in that match and HBK at least tried to make it entertaining. I don’t blame him for being pissed off.

 

Well, yeah. I can't either then if this is true (most likely, since it involves Hogan) but I haven't seen the match yet for myself so I can't say anything.

 

Stop fucking bringing up the past, sure HBK threatened to leave but newsflash so did your hero Bret Hart.

 

Your assumptions are off. You're also being a chump here. Stop with the fanboy love since it just drags down the validity of your argument. I didn't have a problem with anything you said in your post except for this comment. Hart's not my hero and never was one.

 

HBK is one of the few entertaining things in the WWE at the moment,  one of the few putting on good matches, promo’s etc.

 

Cool. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I feel differently and that's my opinion.

 

But hey you guys will continue to hate thee guy because he screwed the lowest drawing champ ever, yes your Hero Bret “I’m a mark for myself” Hart.

 

GET THE FUCK OVER IT.

 

Right.

 

You're getting onto Hart for being a mark for himself, yet, it's okay for you to be a blindly loyal HBK mark who spouts down bitter fanboy bile at folks once his hero's less savory side is being discussed?

 

Fuckin fanboys...

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I must of missed when Chris Benoit was the undisputed top guy in the company for the better part of a year like Hart & Shawn.

[Sass 0]

Seriously.

 

He didn't even have the pull those guys had either. Hart didn't have the strong pull in '93 to '95 like he had after he re-signed with the company in 1996. That's when Hart started throwing his weight around the place like Michaels had done during that year.

[Guest TheAustralian]

You're getting onto Hart for being a mark for himself, yet, it's okay for you to be a blindly loyal HBK mark who spouts down bitter fanboy bile at folks once his hero's less savory side is being discussed?

 

 

Bitter Fanboy?

 

I guess you missed the part where I called HBK a self destructive jerk.

 

Most main eventers do everything they can do to hold onto their spot, I freely admit HBK was one of the worst.

 

I however dont give a shit, just like I dont with Bret Hart.

 

All I care about is that they entertain me, HBK is still doing that.

 

 

Name me a main event player who didnt play politics?

 

I also find it shocking that people are quoting Keller, I cant remember the last time this guy was right.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

You're getting onto Hart for being a mark for himself, yet, it's okay for you to be a blindly loyal HBK mark who spouts down bitter fanboy bile at folks once his hero's less savory side is being discussed?

 

Name me a main eventer player he didnt play politics?

 

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The Rock.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Name me a main event player who didnt play politics?

 

Yokozuna

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Name me a main event player who didnt play politics?

 

Yokozuna

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Bob Backlund

Billy Graham

Andre the Giant

[Guest TheAustralian]

You're getting onto Hart for being a mark for himself, yet, it's okay for you to be a blindly loyal HBK mark who spouts down bitter fanboy bile at folks once his hero's less savory side is being discussed?

 

Name me a main eventer player he didnt play politics?

 

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The Rock.

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Really?

 

I find that hard to believe.

 

I will have look into it.

[Sass 0]

No, you did mention how Michaels was a self-destructive jerk so you aren't too jaded as a fan.

 

If you are entertained by HBK, no matter how lame I think he is, then that's okay. He's someone you like watching and that's perfectly acceptable.

 

You were on the right track, really, until you tossed out your "name me a backstage backstabber" question. That is incredibly dense to ask at this juncture. You really were doing great until this point. This can be overlooked though.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

You're getting onto Hart for being a mark for himself, yet, it's okay for you to be a blindly loyal HBK mark who spouts down bitter fanboy bile at folks once his hero's less savory side is being discussed?

 

Name me a main eventer player he didnt play politics?

 

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The Rock.

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Really?

 

I find that hard to believe.

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The guy did more jobs than any top guy in recent times. Does that sound like someone who played politics? He could have got out of all of the jobs. He didn't. He did them all.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

The only time I can even think of where Rock refused to do a job was to Booker T just before Wrestlemania XIX.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

The only time I can even think of where Rock refused to do a job was to Booker T just before Wrestlemania XIX.

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And that was only because he knew Hunter was going to squash Booker at WM XIX. It had nothing to do with Rock not wanting to lose to someone he felt was below him or to protect his spot.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

The only time I can even think of where Rock refused to do a job was to Booker T just before Wrestlemania XIX.

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And that was only because he knew Hunter was going to squash Booker at WM XIX. It had nothing to do with Rock not wanting to lose to someone he felt was below him or to protect his spot.

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Because the exact same thing happened the year before with Jericho.

[Guest MrBriggs]

You're getting onto Hart for being a mark for himself, yet, it's okay for you to be a blindly loyal HBK mark who spouts down bitter fanboy bile at folks once his hero's less savory side is being discussed?

 

Name me a main event player who didnt play politics?

 

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Sting

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

There were lots if you are going to use WCW/NWA, guys like Steamboat & Vader.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

It looked to me like Michaels was trying to steal the crowd from Hogan with his overselling. To make it look like he was the one doing all the work and that Hogan was just getting by on posing, and hoping the fans pick up on it and give appreciation for the effort. I haven't watched it in a long time, but I believe Nash/Michaels WM 11 was similar in that regard (Shawn getting over with the crowd due to insane bumping). He came close, but Hogan out-timed him with comebacks and heat spots, so the crowd did not have enough time to "decide" to turn on Hogan.

 

Hogan and HBK are funny, to me. Hogan is able to do so much with so little, and Michaels is able to do so little with so much. The majority of the heat in that match, power moves, and the high spots, came from Hogan. Michaels brought the match down with his overselling - it completely took me out of the match.

 

In terms of politics, Hogan had way more leverage and in the end it came down to one guy knowing his worth and the other guy not knowing his. Hogan knows he only has so long in front of an audience before they turn on him, it has happened to him before. He keeps his appearances to a minimum and makes the most money possible from it. Michaels, on the other hand, stays around which devalues his worth. What makes Hogan brilliant in a political sense is that, while he is a mark for himself, he is a bigger mark for MONEY. He knows the name of the game. HBK, on the other hand, is a bigger mark for the glory and the pop of the crowd, which is why he didn't want to be a heel and tried his hardest not to be one in their feud (and is now, amazingly enough, back to being a face).

[Anakin Flair 0]

You're getting onto Hart for being a mark for himself, yet, it's okay for you to be a blindly loyal HBK mark who spouts down bitter fanboy bile at folks once his hero's less savory side is being discussed?

 

Name me a main event player who didnt play politics?

 

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Sting

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I thought Sting played politics? Or did he just get screwed by them?

 

As for The Rock, I think that he did play politics in the back on occasion, but the guy was so red hot, and he knew it, that it didn't bother him that he did the job.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

And HHH dropping the title to Hogan was a great political move on his part, because it showed Vince that HHH did what was best for the company rather than for himself. His face push wasn't going exactly the way he wanted it, so it wasn't a huge loss - though I can imagine he dreamed of the Gigantic Face Push of LOVE weeks leading into his triumphant WM win, so that he could never get what Austin and Rock, and even HBK, had must've bothered him on some level. However, I'm sure he knew Hogan wouldn't have the title for long, and HHH had some contingencies to fall back on and went to the HIAC to get some of his heat back and then his feud with Michaels - it was a pretty good recovery. Plus, Taker picking up the title from Hogan was a bit of a plus for Trip as it indirectly showed that Trip was willing to let go of the title for The Locker Room Leader. Plus, the dude had a title created for him a few months later and got to wear the big gold belt with his idol at his side.

[Enigma 0]

Remember when HBK jobbed to Daivari on RAW last April in like 3 minutes?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Remember when HBK jobbed to Daivari on RAW last April in like 3 minutes?

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Remember how that put Hassan over and did nothing for Daivari at all?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

"You.. you.. you remember when you were with The Beatles?"

 

"Yeah, sure."

 

"That was awesome!"

 

"Yeah, it was"

[MillenniumMan831 0]

I remember when Shawn jobbed to Akeem's big splash . . . or maybe it was Marty, I don't remember.

[WrestlingFan4Ever 0]

The sad think is with all you fucking smarks is that Hart and Benoit drew shit but you don't want to admit that. Your fucking blind HBK hate is pathetic. Get fucking lives.