Boon 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2005 Also- feel free to make you other picks in this thread. Mine: AL David Ortiz Bartolo Colon Tadahito Iguchi NL Andruw Jones Chris Carpenter Garrett Atkins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2005 AL MVP - Alex Rodriguez Cy Young - Mariano Rivera RoY - Tadahito Iguchi NL MVP - Albert Pujols Cy Young - Chris Carpenter RoY - Garrett Atkins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2005 The difficult thing about the AL MVP race is that the two front-runners (ARod & Ortiz) are arguably not even the MVP's of their own teams, let alone the league (Rivera & Damon, respectively). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boon 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2005 As much of a Damon fan as I am, his injuries this year (esp. this month) are going to cost him some votes. Plus, I still think Ortiz got robbed last year, after what he did in the post-season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDon Report post Posted September 15, 2005 The award is for the regular season not the post season. Vlad carried that Angels team on his back all year last year to get them into the playoffs. The Red Sox would have made it to the playoffs last year regardless of Ortiz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boon 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2005 The award is for the regular season not the post season. Vlad carried that Angels team on his back all year last year to get them into the playoffs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I meant Manny winning the MVP of the World Series, not the regular season. Those that voted A-Rod- if the Yankees miss the playoffs, does A-Rod still deserve it? The Red Sox would have made it to the playoffs last year regardless of Ortiz. No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2005 AL - David Ortiz Cy Young - Johan Sanatana ROTY - Jonny Gomes NL - Albert Pujols Cy Young - Chris Carpenter ROTY - Ryan Howard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 15, 2005 Cy Young - Johan Sanatana <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Huh??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2005 I sincerly hope Tadahito Iguchi doesn't win rookie of the year. It'd be one thing if there was no legit candidates or he was having an Ichiro type year but with real rookies like Gustavo Chachin and Huston Street out there having good years, Iguchi does not deserve consideration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2005 Cy Young - Johan Sanatana <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Huh??? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1st in WHIP 1st in Batting Average Against 1st in VORP 1st in strikeouts Tied for 3rd in Win Shares 3rd in ERA Hope I cleared that up.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2005 Santana's not gonna win. He's only got 13 wins, and might only make one or two starts the rest of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2005 AL: MVP - A-Rod CY - Bartolo Colon ROY - Does Cantu qualify? If not I'd say Gomes, I don't like giving it to guys who've played pro in Japan for so many years. Gomes has a highly respectable ops for a rookie and projects great numbers over a full season. NL: MVP - Pujols CY - Carpenter and no one should even CONSIDER anyone else ROY - Willy Tavares Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2005 Santana's not gonna win. He's only got 13 wins, and might only make one or two starts the rest of the year. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I didn't posts who I think will win, I posted who SHOULD win. And he should. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted September 15, 2005 ROY - Does Cantu qualify? If not I'd say Gomes, I don't like giving it to guys who've played pro in Japan for so many years. Gomes has a highly respectable ops for a rookie and projects great numbers over a full season. Cantu collected 173 at bats last season, making him ineligible. As for the Iguchi, regardless of one's personal feelings regarding the voting, the rules state that Iguchi is eligible. If he's having the best year of all rookies, he deserves to win, Japanese experience or not. AL MVP- Alex Rodriguez Ortiz is having a fine season, but Rodriguez has a better batting average, on base percentage, and OPS, and does it playing in a more difficult hitting environment. Plus, Rodriguez steals more bases, grounds into less double plays, and can play the field. AL Cy Young- Mark Buehrle Buehrle does not get the attention he deserves because he is not a strikeout pitcher. All Buehrle does is pitch a ton of highly effective innings every season. Buehrle's first in innings pitched, second in ERA and fourth in wins. AL Rookie of the Year- Tadahito Iguchi See above. NL MVP- Albert Pujols Like I mentioned in another thread, the Cardinals lost their third baseman, left fielder and right fielder for long periods of time, and they lead the National League in runs scored. The Cards are cruising to victory, but the fact that no other team can compete with them should not be held against Pujols. NL Cy Young- Chris Carpenter Clemens possesses a historic ERA, but the gap in that stat does not make up for the advantage in wins, strikeouts, innings pitched, walks, etc. That Clemens does not usually go deep into games is certainly a factor. Carpenter has seven complete games and four shutouts while Clemens has one complete game and no shutouts. NL Rookie of the Year- Jeff Francouer Ridiculous numbers in clutch situations put him ahead for now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted September 16, 2005 personally, I guess I misworded it, but based on the #'s I'd vote Cantu or Gomes over Iguchi, without taking the pro-experience into account. But as a basic approach, I wouldn't vote for experienced Japanese professionals, regardless of the rules. I thought it was retarded when Ichiro won rookie of the year, and my position hasn't changed at all since then. I could see a guy who played a year or two in Japan, it would be the equivalent of the minors, but when you've got former MVPs and 30 year old dudes qualifying for a rookie award something is out of whack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted September 16, 2005 Again if Iguchi was just blowing away the competition I'd see giving him the award, even though I still wouldn't vote for him, but there are a handful of true rookies having just as impressive years. Aren't his accomplishments less impressive than Chacin or Street (Gomes has played too little I think and I know Joe Blanton has no shot with a losing record even though his numbers are very similar to Chacin) being that he has more experience than them? I think it would be a real shame if Iguchi wins it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted September 16, 2005 personally, I guess I misworded it, but based on the #'s I'd vote Cantu or Gomes over Iguchi, without taking the pro-experience into account. But as a basic approach, I wouldn't vote for experienced Japanese professionals, regardless of the rules. I thought it was retarded when Ichiro won rookie of the year, and my position hasn't changed at all since then. I could see a guy who played a year or two in Japan, it would be the equivalent of the minors, but when you've got former MVPs and 30 year old dudes qualifying for a rookie award something is out of whack. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Perhaps, but it is not just a recent phenomenon. There is a sizeable historical precident at work. Jackie Robinson, for whom the award is named, played several years of negro league baseball before entering MLB. Don Newcombe, Jim Gilliam, Sam Jethroe and Joe Black all enjoyed some success in the negro leagues before entering MLB, and all won the Rookie of the Year award. To me, the rookie of the year is an entry award, and since it really doesn't mean much in the long run, no big deal. If you think the rules should be changed, that's a viable argument. But eligible players should not be downgraded based on personal biases regarding eligibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted September 16, 2005 Jeff Francoeur has to get NLROTY. Honestly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted September 16, 2005 Better to wait until the seasons over before make predictions on who should win each award. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted September 16, 2005 AL RotY: Huston Street Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted September 16, 2005 Francoeur has put in even less time than Gomes, he just barely has 200 ABs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted September 16, 2005 Gammons and Reynolds put in good cases for Taveras a few weeks ago, putting him just a bit over Francoeur for the award. I haven't been following the Astros recently, but has he done anything to lose the 'lead'? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sass 0 Report post Posted September 16, 2005 NL MVP: Albert Pujols Cy Young: Chris Carpenter NL RotY: Jeff Francouner AL MVP: David Ortiz Cy Young: Bartolo Colon AL RotY: Jonny Gomes All I can say is that the Cardinals had better not lose if they make it into the World Series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted September 16, 2005 Gammons and Reynolds put in good cases for Taveras a few weeks ago, putting him just a bit over Francoeur for the award. I haven't been following the Astros recently, but has he done anything to lose the 'lead'? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The problem is that Taveras has done nothing to earn it besides play all season. Taveras hits for a good average. Beyond that, he does little to help his team win games. Let's take a quick look at the numbers. Taveras collected 159 hits so far in 549 at bats, for a .290 average. He drew 23 walks, a very low total, placing his OBP at .325. Using 150 at bats as a minimum, Taveras is 19th in OBP among NL rookies. For a leadoff hitter, that's pathetic. In addition, Taveras in 549 at bats has collected just 18 extra base hits. The only advantage Taveras has is his 33 steals. Along with 11 caught stealings, that adds about four runs a season. Compare Taveras to Juan Pierre. Pierre is considered a major disappointment this season, but he's still putting up better numbers than Taveras. And that Taveras produces these numbers in a good hitters' park, he is doing very little to benefit the Astros. But maybe this is all stathead foolery, and Taveras speed throws off the opposing pitchers, makes him a menace on the basepaths, and wins games for the Astros. The problem is the Astros' offense is considered poor, and they are just 12th in the league in runs scored. And again, that is in one of the best hitters' parks in the league. Willy Taveras is the new Alex Sanchez. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted September 16, 2005 That last sentence crossed the line Al. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDon Report post Posted September 17, 2005 At at least another homerun and 2 rbi's onto Arods growing totals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2005 That last sentence crossed the line Al. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Taveras is a better player, but that's meant to illustrate the type of player Taveras is. His defense is better, but empty batting averages abound. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDon Report post Posted September 17, 2005 Robinson Cano last 3 games, 3 Homeruns, 1 triple, 2 doubles and 12 rbi's. He is making a late season push for the AL Roty. I dont think he is going to win it thought it is really nice to see a young Yankee play this well and exceed expectations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2005 That last sentence crossed the line Al. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Taveras is a better player, but that's meant to illustrate the type of player Taveras is. His defense is better, but empty batting averages abound. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just joking around. In defense of Taveras he does steal bases at a 75% mark. So his stolen bases are a positive for Houston. I'll pull a favorite stat of Al's. Win Shares. Through 09/16. Jeff Francouer 13 WS Willie Taveras 11 WS Ryan Langerhans 11 WS Garrett Atkins 10 WS J.J. Hardy 10 WS Kelly Johnson 9 WS Rickie Weeks 9 WS Clint Barmes 9 WS Oscar Robles 8 WS Ryan Howard 8 WS Ryan Church 8 WS Cory Sullivan 8 WS Jason Ellison 8 WS Lance Niekro 7 WS Victor Diaz 7 WS Wilson Betmit 6 WS Chris Burke 6 WS Chris Snyder 5 WS Ryan Doumit 5 WS Jason Repko 4 WS Mike Edwards 3 WS J.D. Closser 3 WS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boon 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2005 At at least another homerun and 2 rbi's onto Arods growing totals. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ortiz goes tit for tat w/ A-Rod for homers, and still has 16 more RBI. Nobody answered my question- if the Yankees don't make the playoffs, does A-Rod get the award? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
