Nash must win the World Title.

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I know that the other thread was started by the soon to be banned Icy-Lock or what ever the fuck his name is, but Kevin Nash should win the world title.

 

He is A: going to have exposure outside of wrestling, no matter how bit it might be.

 

B: He was in the middle of the Biggest angle in recent wrestling history.

 

Simply put, the guy has the most name value of any of the ME in TNA. Ravens fans are going to tune in anyway. Jarrett...well...yeah. Hardy might not show up and that would be a slap in the face to the rest of the locker room.

 

Nash won't set the world on fire in the ring, but he is good on the mic, big, well known, and would bring a legitamcy to the belt in the eyes of the casual viewer, and it would be viewed as a big deal when Monty Brown (I guess) wins it. He has shown a willingness to get this company off the ground, and despite the fact that he himself as a champion was never a huge draw, he has the name value to make the title worth something, which I think will be very important. Expecially with X division matches blowing the entire ME scene out the water, it is going to be very necessary.

[Carnival 0]

I wouldn't be against. I see your point.

 

I would have been against it when he fought Jarrett for the title months back, but now it's all random anyways. They should have saved Jarrett for Monty last time. But now it doesn't matter.

 

Would that make Nash only the 2nd man to be WWF/E, WCW, and NWA world champions? Flair being the first.

[Placebo Effect 0]

I'd be fine with Nash winning the World Title and hanging onto it for a couple months.

 

I want him as asshole heel Kevin Nash though.

[Guest Biggles]

I can see your points definitely but I really don't feel Nash is the right guy for the belt right now. I'll be honest when he first came in I really don't think I'd have objected, nor would I have minded if they'd put it on him when he main evented against Jarrett but right now I really don't see that it's what they need.

 

Your points. A. I can't argue with. He will get a lttle exposure outside of wrestling but then to be honest right now I could see them losing more fans than they'd gain with this. TNA does need to bring in new fans, this is true, but if they lose more than they gain which I personally believe would be the case if they pushed Nash as World Champion right now then it wouldn't benefit them. One thing that does work in Nash's favour as a World Champion is that TNA raelly isn't built around its world title picture. It's built around the all round product and the X title provides the contrast to the world title. In that respect it doesn't matter so much that your World champion isn't capable of putting on five star matches every PPV in terms of workrate. The problem for me though is that the match with Jarrett he had was a really solid main event, heavily booked and worked and I enjoyed it. Nash doesn't have it in him to pull that off on every PPV though, let alone with TV shows either.

 

B: He was in the middle of the Biggest angle in recent wrestling history

 

If you're talking about the nWo formation, that was so long ago now that it can hardly be called that anymore. It was a great angle, no doubt, but what about Shane McMahon turning up on WCW television saying he'd bought the company? I personally didn't enjoy it, but it's definitely bigger than the formation of the nWo.

 

Simply put, the guy has the most name value of any of the ME in TNA. Ravens fans are going to tune in anyway. Jarrett...well...yeah. Hardy might not show up and that would be a slap in the face to the rest of the locker room.

 

That he does, he's a bigger star than Jarrett's ever been and whatever poeple say about Nash when he's on his game he is an entertaining big guy. As you say, Raven's fans will tune in anyway. Raven is capable of working decent main events but he doesn't really bring anything to the table in terms of name value. Jarrett, his last run did nothing for the company and I really don't see what this one's giong to do either. Hardy would be a complete no no, he doesn't have half the name value he did when he first turned up and most TNA fans who've watched him underperform have slowly veered away from being impressed with him anyway. With his attitude it would destroy the locker room if a hardworking guy like Raven lost the beklt recently, for it to be put on Hardy who doesn't care.

 

Nash won't set the world on fire in the ring, but he is good on the mic, big, well known, and would bring a legitamcy to the belt in the eyes of the casual viewer, and it would be viewed as a big deal when Monty Brown (I guess) wins it.

 

I can agree with that to an extent. I'm not sure he'd bring legitimacy to the belt, I'm really not. I think he is a big name but I don't see that a Nash title run would neccessarily make the belt legitimate all of a sudden. When/if they decide to push a new star to the belt, like they should have done with monty when he was on fire, it would help to have someone in place to really put them over. That's what was supposedly the point of Jarrett's long run, because the person who finally beats him will get a huge amount of heat from it, except they didn't. I still don't buy Nash as doing that though. When/if someone like Brown wins the belt it needs to be done in heroic fashion much like his match with Jarrett on Impact. I don't see that a match between Brown and Nash, no matter how it was booked would be able to really set the world on fire enough for Brown to look great from it.

 

I understand the poitns you're making but I just think that now is the time to push a new star for the belt. I didn't think Raven was the right choice for the belt, I didn't think AJ was, but now is the time with the new tv deal to start creating a new star to break through. They have guys there with potential but they really need to be able to create new stars beyond the X division. It's something that will make or break them. Nash as a transitional champion wouldn't make me turn off, but I'm just not sure it would excite me in any way either.

[Carnival 0]

Invasion could have been bigger than NWO, but it certainly wasn't.

[TNABaddboi 0]

The Torch is reporting that Nash's new deal with TNA is for a year, so I'd bet that we'll see ME at least one PPV during the span. Anyway, here's what was posted:

 

-Kevin Nash agreed to terms with TNA on at least a one year contract today which will include at least 20 appearances on TV and PPV throughout the next twelve months. The paperwork isn't done yet, but everything is verbally set. He is scheduled to be at the TV taping next Tuesday for the Oct. 1 Spike show. Nash has always been part of TNA's plans for the debut on Spike TV and the October Bound for Glory PPV. The news this afternoon is that he has agreed to an extension of those two dates to last at least 12 more months.

[BUTT 0]

I just read on DVDVR that Nash is expected to be part of a "main event angle" for BFG.

[razazteca 0]

If they have to give the belt to a big guy then why not give it to Rhyno, Abyss, or Joe? Why is Monty Brown the chosen one, black champions really don't draw that well.

[Carnival 0]

Brown is better choice than all 3 of those guys. Joe is argueable. But Abyss...jesus.

[Dangerous A 0]

I understand Nash being involved in the main event angle is a necessary evil and I don't outright hate the idea, but they should not put the title on him and I don't think anyone is interested in Nash-Jarrett II. Perhaps he'll be an enforcer or special ref for Jarrett's title match? I don't know, but I'm not feeling a Nash title reign right now.

 

Perhaps, Brown defeats Jarrett at BFG with help from Nash (since Jarrett doesn't know how to job cleanly anymore) and then Nash says since he helped Monty out, he wants a title shot. While Nash vs Monty matches might suck, I wouldn't mind Nash being fed to Monty.

[Coolclint 0]

If they have to give the belt to a big guy then why not give it to Rhyno, Abyss, or Joe?  Why is Monty Brown the chosen one, black champions really don't draw that well.

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Rhino's not that big, Abyss is simply not championship material (but is booked well as a threat, unlike, say, Show or Kane), and Joe...

 

...They're working on it. Give them time.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

If TNA have to put the belt on Nash, for whatever reason, then they've done a really shitty job of building up their talent over the last three years. Nash shouldn't be the singles champion of a backyard group, let alone a company trying to make it on a national level.

[Carnival 0]

Building up talent in front of who? They are about to reach millions of more homes, building up talent doesn't matter if the majority of the audience your trying to reach doesn't see it.

[Precious Roy 0]

The belt should be on Monty Brown sooner than later, and personally I think Nash gives him a better rub than Jarrett.

[Fro 0]

Either Abyss or Joe is who they need to get the belt on.

 

Nash getting the belt wouldn't be terrible depending on how he'd be used. I don't see what you get as far as new feuds out of that though (Jarrett v.s. Nash II won't draw jack, no other guy not in the X-Division can drag a decent match out of Nash).

[Precious Roy 0]

Abyss, fair or not, is seen by a lot of people as a poor man's Kane, nevermind the fact that he's a better worker....I don't think putting the belt on him is smart business.

 

Joe is going to hold the X-Division title before he moves up, so that's out of the question short term.

 

That leaves Monty Brown, and ideally they can build up to a Brown v. Joe showdown down the line

[ChrisMWaters 0]

That leaves Monty Brown, and ideally they can build up to a Brown v. Joe showdown down the line

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I have to wonder...could Joe get Brown up for the Muscle Buster if they had a match?

[RedJed 0]

The belt should be on Monty Brown sooner than later, and personally I think Nash gives him a better rub than Jarrett.

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This point here is definately something to consider. Assuming and hoping that Brown is the real person here that TNA is working towards building as their real long term champion, I would much rather see Nash as a badass heel putting Brown over versus another match/storyline with Jarrett and Brown. But its really tit for tat as both Nash and Jarrett really shouldnt be on top of this company as champion right now, period. But if I had to pick the lesser of two evils right now, I'd trust Nash putting over Brown much more effectively than Jarrett.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Nash put someone over? That's a good one.

[David Blazenwing 0]

If they have to give the belt to a big guy then why not give it to Rhyno, Abyss, or Joe?  Why is Monty Brown the chosen one, black champions really don't draw that well.

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What about The Rock?

[Guest]

How many people actually consider The Rock to be black?

[RedJed 0]

Nash put someone over? That's a good one.

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Well, I've never heard him so overtly give a verbal blowjob to someone more than Nash did to Brown during his Torch Talk interview. I honestly think Nash would put him over if the situation arised. He seemed to have gotten the fact that Brown "has it" and even more importantly, he publicly critisized the company for not letting Brown run with the ball and be given the title.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Nash put someone over? That's a good one.

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Well, I've never heard him so overtly give a verbal blowjob to someone more than Nash did to Brown during his Torch Talk interview. I honestly think Nash would put him over if the situation arised. He seemed to have gotten the fact that Brown "has it" and even more importantly, he publicly critisized the company for not letting Brown run with the ball and be given the title.

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And you don't think Nash doing an interview in an 'insider' newsletter had anything to do with him saying something like that? Nash was being Nash, and he was just playing the game. It's like the time Hunter said he'd work the March 2001 ECW PPV for free to help the company out (when it was alread 99.99% certain such a PPV would never happen). Both men were saying what would show them in the best possible light for the audience in question.

[Fökai 0]

If they have to give the belt to a big guy then why not give it to Rhyno, Abyss, or Joe?  Why is Monty Brown the chosen one, black champions really don't draw that well.

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What about The Rock?

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That he's a minority is the point.

 

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On-topic question: is Ortiz willing to train? Maybe it's me, but I could see a lot of potential with him at or near the top as Shamrock did. He doesn't have the cross-over appeal that Ken has, but he's still a buzzworthy name that could transition the belt to someone that can carry the company.

[Placebo Effect 0]

Nash put someone over? That's a good one.

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He solidly put Booker T over in WCW. Nash should have never won the title from Booker in the first place, but that was a Russo thing.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Nash put someone over? That's a good one.

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He solidly put Booker T over in WCW. Nash should have never won the title from Booker in the first place, but that was a Russo thing.

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He did clean job for Booker, that much is true. I wouldn't so far as to say he solidly put him over by any means.

[Placebo Effect 0]

Nash put someone over? That's a good one.

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He solidly put Booker T over in WCW. Nash should have never won the title from Booker in the first place, but that was a Russo thing.

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He did clean job for Booker, that much is true. I wouldn't so far as to say he solidly put him over by any means.

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Touche.

[BUTT 0]

Why is Monty Brown the chosen one, black champions really don't draw that well.

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Well they've never really been given a chance. Ron Simmons was, of course, but he just wasn't all that good in the ring. Booker was a good WCW champion, but he was champ during a time when nobody in the company was drawing.

[Guest MikeSC]

I still think Killings would have drawn well if given the chance to really do so.

[TNABaddboi 0]

I still think Killings would have drawn well if given the chance to really do so.

 

I agree. I think Killings should have gotten Jarrett's push as the long term heel champion because during his initial run, he really connected with people and drew great heat, but not in a "go away" role. Then after being horribly de-pushed for a year and half, he got pretty over as a face when he was pushed as Jarrett's first challenger in the FSN era. The problem is that every time he gets over, he gets jobbed to Jarrett (I know you're gonna have a field day with that Mike ).

 

Anyway, I think a heel turn and push up the ladder could do Killings and the ME scene some good. I think other than Monty, Killings has the biggest breakout potential of any "heavyweight" on the roster and he could draw really well with a sustained push. Hell, I think a feud between them would kick all kinds of ass. I know they feuded during the initial few shows, but neither was as developed as they are now (esp. Monty).

 

TNA has definitely missed the boat with Killings in my humble opinion. The guy can work as well as almost any of their regular ME'ers (other than Abyss maybe), and can talk better than any of them but Monty. The promo he cut the week after the Dusty finish at the second anniversary show was one of the best in the history of the company, and the one he cut the week before his first title win with Steamboat is probably second best. Hopefully once they are done reforming NAO, they give Killings a serious push.