T.O. suspended for the rest of the season

[Ripper 0]

first of all, lets stop pointing fingers in the TO/Douglas thing. In all fights, it is rare that one person "started it" I guarentee that TO called out Douglas on the comment and Hugh said something back and back and forth. It didn't end with some innocent "joke".

 

Second, he didn't "challenge all his teamates to fight him" he said if anyone has something to say to him say it now and we can handle it now. Dude was angry. Big whoop. Hugh Douglas told TO he would beat his ass last year in a elevator. Shit happens.

 

TO, while I don't think his statement was that bad, you don't diss a teammate like that and he was wrong in that aspect, but at the same time....SO. You don't give up you best offensive weapon because some of the teammates don't get along. You take that many people and put them together, someone isn't going to like someone. Deal with it. When they start affecting the product on the field, then talk to me.

 

Argue all you want, TO kept producing on the field and without him there, Donavon has looked awfully bad. So now you have injured starting QB, no running game, no recieving threats, and a defense that isn't scaring anyone anymore. Don't give me that "they did it without TO last year" crap. This isn't last year. THIS team needs him.

[AboveAverage484 0]

Ripper should be a lawyer for all the "bad guys" in sports.

[Failed Bridge 0]

Ripper wouldn't be making quite the fuss over this if the player was white.

[Red Baron 0]

T.O. should play. McNabb should rest, but he's bullheaded and deciding to play. What's is he trying to accomplish? That he's tough? It takes one good hit to make him not play for the rest of his career.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Ripper should be a lawyer for all the "black guys" in sports.

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[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Czech should be the prosecuting attorney for all the "black guys" in the world.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Czech Republic does not care about black people

[Failed Bridge 0]

Czech Republic does not care about black people

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[Guest Leelee]

It's a shame those niggas cried and left the other board!

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Were I TO, I'd refuse to come back to the team. Make them look like the assholes, and go to a team who can put a loudmouth in perspective and go out and win with them. I don't believe there's a single player in the NFL who doesn't have some manner of an ego. The nature of professional sports is to have a group of individuals being confident enough to push themselves and be competitive to the point of rating themselves over other individuals. If you don't think you're better than everyone else, how are you going to mentally win?

 

They'd have a winning record with Favre, at the very least. McNabb playing like the walking wounded hurts the team more than any asshole comment.

[UZI Suicide 0]

There's a difference between having an ego (Chad Johnson) and being a total jackass and detriment to your team (Terrell Owens)

[the pinjockey 0]

I don't think it is fair to say grow a thicker skin. It isn't like this is just a single potshot taken that could be easily blown off. It is a different story when you have your QB under constant attack from him, without the ability to say anything back. I defy anyone to deal with that, stay silent, and not develop some type of problem with it.

 

Another thing people are forgetting is that the team, with TO, was not playing like a title contender this year. This is not like last year, where if TO was a problem, he was the only problem and could be patted on the head and shooed away. This year the team has major issues and can not deal with them as effectively, when they have to deal with this garbage.

 

BTW, against the 6th ranked defense in passing YPG allowed, the top 3 WRs (Brown, Lewis McMullen) had only 10 fewer receiving yards than the top 3 WRs (Owens, Lewis, Brown) had in their most productive game in receiving yards all season, the Chiefs game. As ridiculous as it may sound, I fail to see how the loss of TO really hurt them against the Skins.

 

They'd have a winning record with Favre, at the very least. McNabb playing like the walking wounded hurts the team more than any asshole comment.

 

They had a winning record when TO made the comment. And God himself playing QB in the Dallas and Denver games would not have made a difference.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Ok, so say something back, in McNabb's case.

 

As far as being a detriment to the team, they were in the superbowl last year, a game in which Owens seriously jeopordized himself by playing.

[UZI Suicide 0]

Ok, so say something back, in McNabb's case.

 

As far as being a detriment to the team, they were in the superbowl last year, a game in which Owens seriously jeopordized himself by playing.

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He wasn't a problem last year. Everything started this off-season.

[Hoff 0]

There's a difference between having an ego (Chad Johnson) and being a total jackass and detriment to your team (Terrell Owens)

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I love CJ, but I've always wondered how his teammates and coaches feel about him. Anyone know about that?

 

As for T.O., I genuinely believe that once the final sentence went down, he was (and is) sorry. That had to be cold water in the face. He's Terrell Owens, he's arguably the best receiver to play the game, and no one has EVER done that to him before. He may be a locker-room nightmare, but he's a dedicated athlete who loves football -- no one, from San Fran or Philly, has ever questioned that. For someone to take the game away from T.O. had to give him pause, and force him to reflect on his actions and realize maybe he went too far.

 

Or I could be dreaming.

 

He'll play next year, because there certainly aren't 31 other teams unwilling to take him. But at 32, and with his history, it'll probably be his last chance. After this season, maybe he'll realize that, and if he does he'll shut his mouth (relatively), and he'll be a force. Considering how it's all gone down...I'd roll the dice.

[UZI Suicide 0]

There's a difference between having an ego (Chad Johnson) and being a total jackass and detriment to your team (Terrell Owens)

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I love CJ, but I've always wondered how his teammates and coaches feel about him. Anyone know about that?

 

As for T.O., I genuinely believe that once the final sentence went down, he was (and is) sorry. That had to be cold water in the face. He's Terrell Owens, he's arguably the best receiver to play the game, and no one has EVER done that to him before. He may be a locker-room nightmare, but he's a dedicated athlete who loves football -- no one, from San Fran or Philly, has ever questioned that. For someone to take the game away from T.O. had to give him pause, and force him to reflect on his actions and realize maybe he went too far.

 

Or I could be dreaming.

 

He'll play next year, because there certainly aren't 31 other teams unwilling to take him. But at 32, and with his history, it'll probably be his last chance. After this season, maybe he'll realize that, and if he does he'll shut his mouth (relatively), and he'll be a force. Considering how it's all gone down...I'd roll the dice.

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From everything I've seen/read they have no problem with him. The worst thing he's done is just TD dances, but not calling out teammates or coaches. He's just cocky, not an asshole.

[Guest Vitamin X]

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with cockiness in a wide receiver. In fact, you almost certainly want an extremely confident receiver as well as cornerback. That area of the game is extremely finesse and a certain attitude is required to play it... they need to think they're going to make the big play, every single play. That attitude ranges from the Randy Mosses and T.O.s to the Jerry Rices and Marvin Harrisons of the league, past, present, and future.

[2GOLD 0]

The problem with T.O is he is the kind of guy who'll come into a locker room and yell, "WITHOUT ME, YOU ARE PURE SHIT! I AM YOUR KING, NOW BOW DOWN!"

 

And if you want to question the leader, then be a leader yourself. Don't just say how much a guy sucks and then when your team turns to you to take control go, "what the fuck you looking at me for?"

 

Owens gives, but he damn sure cannot take. The minute anyone says anything about T.O, he'll call them gay or worthless or whatever the fuck he feels like calling them for even QUESTIONING him. He's a bigger baby than the entire Eagles locker room combined. You want everyone else to be a man but Owens is allowed to be a little bitch? Bullshit, if he wants everyone else to act like a man and treat him like a man, maybe he should become a man first and not a finger in the ears, whining, crying piece of shit.

[Guest *KNK*]

The difference between Chad Johnson and T.O is huge. The teamates and the other teams respect Chad because he lets them know "Hey, Im just having fun out here", he treats everyone with respect but lets them know he does it to get hyped. T.O does it to be T.O.

 

Chad Johnson is a popular figure inside and outside that room because of his play and his personality. Johnson is a case of a "ego" that boosts his team, rather then TO's ego which is basically the opposite.

[Hoff 0]

No, that all makes sense, but you never know with some of the old-school guys in the league. I don't know much about Marvin Lewis and co., so I was curious.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Ok, so say something back, in McNabb's case.

 

As far as being a detriment to the team, they were in the superbowl last year, a game in which Owens seriously jeopordized himself by playing.

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He wasn't a problem last year. Everything started this off-season.

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It started when McNabb had the audacity to say that he thought that they could win without TO. Which was the only thing he COULD say and SHOULD say. It seems that TO wanted him to throw the rest of the team under the bus and say "boo hoo hoo, without TO we're lost! we're doomed! we're screwed!".

 

Which is what makes it so laughable for TO to be saying something like "we'd be better with Favre than we are with McNabb". He got all pissy because someone dared imply that they could win without him, then proved to be a huge hypocrite by saying something much more damning and thinking it'd be Ok.

[2GOLD 0]

The difference between Chad Johnson and T.O is huge.  The teamates and the other teams respect Chad because he lets them know "Hey, Im just having fun out here", he treats everyone with respect but lets them know he does it to get hyped. T.O does it to be T.O.

 

Chad Johnson is a popular figure inside and outside that room because of his play and his personality.  Johnson is a case of a "ego" that boosts his team, rather then TO's ego which is basically the opposite.

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Chad sleeping in the damn Bengal locker room and basically living there got him some mad respect from his team. Chad will go after other players in the league, but only in play it seems and he never has anything negative to say about his team.

 

I think I know Owens problem. He just really hates quarterbacks. Doesn't matter who it is, he hates quarterbacks. Every practice he probably used to walk into the locker room and spit on Koy Detmer.

[The Czech Republic 0]

So when do we rename this folder "Frivolous Terrell Owens Bullshit"

[Failed Bridge 0]

So when do we rename this folder "Frivolous Terrell Owens Bullshit"

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I'm certain if you don't like Terrell Owens, just stay the fuck out of topics concerning him, Czech. I can't stand hockey and while there are next to no hockey threads here, if there were, I sure as fuck wouldn't waste my time bitching and moaning about how bad I hate that sport.

 

I see on the list of threads in sports on this first page, you've started exactly ZERO threads on "hockey or something" or anything for that matter. Why don't you practice what you preach and start up a thread about a sport you actually like and stay the fuck out of Terrell Owens threads since you don't really have anything to contribute as far as discussion is concerned.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I've worked in situations with people like TO. The only thing that you can do is get rid of a person like that because it makes the situation unpleasant to go to every day. You can't let one person be above the rules because it makes the rules worthless. He needs some time by himself and he needs to get rid of Drew Rosenhaus. I don't believe anything that comes out of Drew's mouth because it's all self serving and manipulative bullshit.

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I've worked in situations with people like TO. The only thing that you can do is get rid of a person like that because it makes the situation unpleasant to go to every day. You can't let one person be above the rules because it makes the rules worthless. He needs some time by himself and he needs to get rid of Drew Rosenhaus. I don't believe anything that comes out of Drew's mouth because it's all self serving and manipulative bullshit.

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To be fair to Drew...he IS a sports agent.

[Fökai 0]

The difference between Chad Johnson and T.O is huge.  The teamates and the other teams respect Chad because he lets them know "Hey, Im just having fun out here", he treats everyone with respect but lets them know he does it to get hyped. T.O does it to be T.O.

 

Chad Johnson is a popular figure inside and outside that room because of his play and his personality.  Johnson is a case of a "ego" that boosts his team, rather then TO's ego which is basically the opposite.

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Owens was the same way as a Niner...and then they started losing.

 

Owens was the same way as an Eagle...and then they lost the Super Bowl.

[Ripper 0]

I credit it more to "And then he played hurt and felt that noone should question him when he asked for more money".

 

That loss was big but not as big as the management DARING to not automatically cave to his wishes.

 

I definately think Chad Johnson works some teammates nerves. But he plays for Cincinati. Owens is a bigger story.

 

Don't be confused, I think everyone involved is being a little bitch in this, but if I was running the team, I would definately A: playing up TO's stock so I could get something worthwhile for him when I trade him and B: Concentrate on trying to win.

 

Pinjockey, are you saying that the team isn't better with TO on the field than they are without? What I am saying if Philly wants to put its best team on the field Owens should be there. If he dogs it on the field, get rid of him, but when a guy is still playing hard for you, yet being a jackass, I would think a lockerroom of grown men could deal with it for the sake of winning. Magic never cried about him and Kareem not getting along, You just don't talk to the mutha fucker after or before the game. Its NOT that HARD.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Of course everyone, even the Eagles, should realise that they are a better team with TO on the field. But they seem to have reached their breaking point in that they'd rather take a hit on the field than deal with this guy in the clubhouse. I will say this much, if they were having a season like Indianapolis, then he would probably still be on the team. But they were already losing ground in the division, and they saw an opening to get rid of him.

[Ripper 0]

Of course everyone, even the Eagles, should realise that they are a better team with TO on the field.  But they seem to have reached their breaking point in that they'd rather take a hit on the field than deal with this guy in the clubhouse.  I will say this much, if they were having a season like Indianapolis, then he would probably still be on the team.  But they were already losing ground in the division, and they saw an opening to get rid of him.

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See its the fact that they are in the NFC and ANYONE can win that. They STILL have a legitamite chance returning to the superbowl, but they were teetering between a bad year and a decent year (which is all you will need to win the NFC) and taking off your arguably most talented offensive weapon (could rank anywhere from first to third in peoples mind) is HURTING your team when the worse thing TO did was be a a loudmouth and hurt some feelings. So it becomes would you rather give up a legit chance to win a superbowl or play with a guy for the second half of the year and be done with him at the end of the year. You know that saying If you don't want the offense to celebrate in the endzone, don't let them score, well if you don't want some guy on the team calling your performance into question perform. AND tell TO to shut the fuck up to the media and REALLY make him pay ($$$$) for it if he didn't. I guarentee that if they gave him that provision to return, he would shut the fuck up in the media.

 

At 4-4 in the NFC, they are what...2 games out of first place? You keep the best team you can have on the field for that one.

 

Teammates call out teammates on every team and everyweek. Just don't do it to the media and thats where TO was being an ass (or trying to up his importance so that he could get more money). In the world of pro sports, I just think that the Eagles are being a little thin skinned.