I'm Not Feeling Survivor Series

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The Flair/Triple H feud is about as good as a WWE feud is going to get nowadays, so I've been trying to enjoy that. Everything else ranges from meaningless to bad, adding up to yet another completely lackluster PPV card.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Flair/Triple H really isn't that good though. When they're not facing each other, all they do is a one-upsmanship of who can beat up some jobbers the most.

 

It's not really an enjoyable feud, except for a few promos.

[hyperchord24 0]

Flair/Triple H really isn't that good though. When they're not facing each other, all they do is a one-upsmanship of who can beat up some jobbers the most.

 

It's not really an enjoyable feud, except for a few promos.

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On the subject of one-upsmanship, HHH tring to send a message to Flair, trying to get in the head of flair, trying to win the cerebral war of mind games, trying to demonstrate an example of what he'll do to flair . . . . . . by hitting Val Venis with a chair. OOOOhhh, I'm scared.

 

What about the out and out bloody, hard faught matches between SCSA and Bret Hart? Figure fours around the ring post, focusing on an injured part of your opponent, not rediculous blading, but legitimate blading, real beat downs.

 

HHH hit Val Venis with a chair. Not a sledge hammer, not through a table, not with a tire iron, didn't break his legs with the indian deathlock, no purposely trying to injure your opponent, no. HHH hit Val Venis with a chair, then the move of all moves, the one that knocks your teeth out, the move that ends careers, the move of the century . . . the shotgun blast to the face, the pedigree.

 

Did I mention I hate this feud?

[Vern Gagne 0]

Does the Bischoff/Long have any sort of stipulation involved in it. Like the winner is in charge of the others show for a month.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

the Bisch/Long match probably won't really be a "match" but more of a pre-ME brawl between the Raw and SD guys. Ya know, since only two or three of the guys involved in the SurSer match can actually TALK, they'd rather have them hype it through vicious brawling (and also, this could be used to show the 5 vs. 4 mentality that might be going on if Batista is out and they haven't announced the replacement.

[Angle-plex 0]

Flair/Triple H is ok because it is somewhat simple and doesn't suffer from the horrendous over-acting that every WWE feud since 2001 has had. It's not an epic storyline by any means but it's not offensively bad.

 

It's definetly better than two non-wrestlers fighting and 2 RAW guys/3 Smackdown guys vs 3 RAW guys/2 Smackdown guys.

 

JBL and Big Show in the same ring? Who knows what could happen. Ooooh RAW vs Smackdown is a dream match.

[Guest Leelee]

I stand by my policy that there's really no reason to buy any WWE PPV at this point. I'm not even just talking from a quality standpoint, the cost alone is a deterrent. Why spend 35 bucks on a PPV you don't know will be any good, when you can just wait a couple months and buy it at Best Buy or Wal-Mart for 15, 20 bucks after the fact if it does, in fact, turn out to be decent?

 

The live feeling of watching can't be duplicated.

 

But, you can't fast forward through live TV.

 

#2 wins.

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DVR it then record it later...

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It's not live then.

 

And the losers couldn't stay away from this board before watching it.

[Dangerous A 0]

Why do the face Raw guys even want to fight in the SurSer match? Here is heel GM Bischoff, who has fucked with and made things hard for the faces, and all of a sudden HBK, Kane, and Big Show feel some sense of loyalty to Bischoff and the brand? Bullshit. Only in the bubble does this make any sense. When my boss makes my job hard and is a huge dick about it, the last thing I want to do is work overtime or go out of my way to please them. Little things like this is what kills this company creatively just a little each day.

[Epic Reine 0]

It's not for Bischoff, they feel loyal to their own brand and want to defend its honor.

[Dangerous A 0]

I may have missed a promo by either HBK, Kane, BS, Carlito, or Masters regarding this "honor" since it's Bischoff doing all the talking.

[Guest Leelee]

Plus, and I know as a wrestling fan that I should always ignore these things... why should Show & Carlito care so much about defending Raw? They were on SD a few months ago. It's not like they suddenly hate them.

[slimm44 0]

I may have missed a promo by either HBK, Kane, BS, Carlito, or Masters regarding this "honor" since it's Bischoff doing all the talking.

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Michaels and Big Show sort of mentioned it last night during RAW but yeah it's really Bischoff trying to one-up T. Lo and keep RAW as the dominant show

 

As for not feeling the PPV, I think that's how a lot of people feel due to Eddie's death. They missed a week of hype for the PPV, respectfully though. And it's hard to hype 4 matches (5 after last night's 'kidnapping') and really since they claim Batisita is injured, but have him show up and play an unstoppable force, it's hard to tell if he will be in the match or not.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

I don't think it's loyalty to Bisch. Brand-loyalty yes, but Bisch-loyalty no. And lately Bisch has been treating his superstars better (except for Cena - who was SD anyway and has consistently and constantly been pissing Bisch off.)

 

As for Big Show and Carlito - well, Carlito probably simply hated Teddy Long because he is a heel. Big Show being a tag champion is about the only reasoning I can come up with. He doesn't really have beef with anybody on the SD team (maybe JBL I guess).

 

 

On the Smackdown side - I think they are tired of people talking down on them - Booker when he first got there, Bischoff, Edge is doing it now. I think they want to prove themselves. Rey is a good choice since he and Masters have history (whether they won at Taboosday or not), Lashley is out to prove himself, and Orton probably wouldn't have a problem with going against Shawn Michaels again and of course making himself look as good as he can. JBL always wants to make himself look good - and maybe even in the eyes of Teddy Long so he might be able to get another title shot.

 

If Batista happens to be the fifth man somehow, then he definitely wants revenge (i could still see him running in late and piping somebody behind the ref's back - maybe Big Show).

 

If it's Undertaker, that adds a whole new dimension to the story because of Randy Orton. It could be one of those things where Taker is on the far side of the turnbuckle and Orton is on the far side of the other, with Taker just staring him down like "after this.... you are mine" and could even lead to Taker not wanting to tag himself in with Orton in trouble. The other guys in the match might not like it - but who's going to talk back to Taker?

 

I could FULLY see Taker refuse a tag and then have Bob Orton try to get involved. This could be especially useful if Orton goes out first on the SD side.

 

I'd have eliminations be:

 

Carlito

Orton

Taker (due to Orton attacking Taker on the outside and causing a countout)

Masters

Rey

Kane

Lashley

TBS (after Batista interference)

 

and then either have JBL or HBK win. It'll probably be HBK though to go off of what happened on Raw, and it'll give Raw a win after their abysmal Taboosday showing.

[Dangerous A 0]

You just did exactly what I have wanted and helped me make my point, Rando.

 

What you just stated was all good. But why aren't the wrestlers stating these motivations and such? We (fans) are having to bridge gaps and come to conclusions and that is no good and is part of the reason that this threads topic (not feeling the ppv) even exists. I am no idiot and like to come to some conclusions to things on my own, but this match just seems thrown together and basically Long and Bischoff are the talking heads and such. I know they lost a week with the death of Eddie G., but they could've given mic time and a few lines to guys explaining motivations and such for such a big, interpromotional match.

 

Oh yeah, I won't be buying this show either.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

You just did exactly what I have wanted and helped me make my point, Rando.

 

What you just stated was all good. But why aren't the wrestlers stating these motivations and such? We (fans) are having to bridge gaps and come to conclusions and that is no good and is part of the reason that this threads topic (not feeling the ppv) even exists. I am no idiot and like to come to some conclusions to things on my own, but this match just seems thrown together and basically Long and Bischoff are the talking heads and such. I know they lost a week with the death of Eddie G., but they could've given mic time and a few lines to guys explaining motivations and such for such a big, interpromotional match.

 

Oh yeah, I won't be buying this show either.

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Maybe they will bring back interviews during the show...OR, there is still time on SD to let everybody talk. I actually am expecting some sort of Raw vs. SD match ON Smackdown. Maybe even Rey vs. Masters.

 

 

EDIT: Wait...would you actually like to HEAR some of those guys on the mic?

[Vern Gagne 0]

I could see Bischoff on the receiving end of double chokeslam next Monday, after taking credit for Team Raw beating Team Smackdown.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Can a Mod make sure that THIS is the PPV thread for Sunday, since this person's opinion shoulda been put in the "Misc./Useless Comments Not Worthy of Their Own Thread" thread?

 

This seriously looks like the worse "big 4" PPV in many years. Not one match has any fresh feel or excitement.

[Dangerous A 0]

Very much agreed. There isn't even a feel of climax, finality, or closure for some of the repeat matchups (HHH/Flair, Cena/Angle) either.

[cabbageboy 0]

What is supposed to be accomplished in the grand scheme of this Raw/Smackdown feud though? I mean by definition they can't have one side just destroy the other or else it would kill all interest in that particular show. So one side wins a few, the other side wins a couple, etc. Oddly enough, though Raw touts their superiority so much I think Smackdown actually would hold the head to head advantage.

 

I also thought about the Bret blading. Unlike Flair or HHH Bret would blade very sparingly (or have blood in his matches), only using it occasionally when the situation might call for it. Like vs. Piper at WM 8, or Bulldog at the 1995 IYH PPV (which was near Philly I think, heart of ECW territory, hence the blood), and of course the heated Austin match.

[cabbageboy 0]

Crap, double post.

[haVoc 0]

I'd buy Steve Austin a case right now if I saw him. Since he walked the McMahon's have been off TV.

[Guest Thrashist]

I would have liked to see them put in a Chavo vs Benoit definitive tribute match for the PPV, as well as putting Kennedy in a US title match just because I hate the Benoit/Booker feud and Kennedy needs to be on the PPV. This could all be nonsensical though, because I admit to not paying much attention to Smackdown in general.

 

To whoever talked about the cost of PPVs, I can't believe people actually pay 35 bucks for mediocre PPVs just for themselves or 1 or 2 other people. The only justification for that price is if you're with a large group of people just chilling out, because man 35 bucks is a lot for three hours of wrestling that you can often get for better quality the next night for free.

[The Niggardly King 0]

If Batista happens to be the fifth man somehow, then he definitely wants revenge (i could still see him running in late and piping somebody behind the ref's back - maybe Big Show).

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That creates quite the image.

[BigDawgCarl 0]

Flair/Triple H really isn't that good though. When they're not facing each other, all they do is a one-upsmanship of who can beat up some jobbers the most.

 

It's not really an enjoyable feud, except for a few promos.

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Yea, what's up with Flair beating up Murdoch, then Trips beating up Val Venis on RAW? And going back to a couple of weeks ago, how did Triple H manhandle a 500-lb wrestler (Viscera) so easily? Now THAT'S unbelievable.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Flair/Triple H really isn't that good though. When they're not facing each other, all they do is a one-upsmanship of who can beat up some jobbers the most.

 

It's not really an enjoyable feud, except for a few promos.

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Yea, what's up with Flair beating up Murdoch, then Trips beating up Val Venis on RAW? And going back to a couple of weeks ago, how did Triple H manhandle a 500-lb wrestler (Viscera) so easily? Now THAT'S unbelievable.

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Because those guys are singles jobbers, and you want to give Flair & HHH convincing wins going into their PPV match without having to resort to jobbing guys w/ any value to them?

[reign 0]

I want to see UT be a (not much of one) suprise entry to the SD! team if only to see him tag in Orton and the interaction between the two...the main event will be cool and Angle is always worth the price of admission....you'll all be pissed if he wins and you didn't see it live which I think he will because when was the last time WWE suprised us...

[Guest dropkickguy]

...anybody get the sense that the only reason Cena still holding on to the title is so that WWE can pimp that rediculous belt Cena carries around?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

The WWE Championship match and the RAW Vs. SD matches should be good, but that's about it. Really not worth the $35, the rest of the card is fucking terrible and worthy of a 2nd rate PPV card line-up for either brand.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Still looks better than last year's miserable card.

[pochorenella 0]

...anybody get the sense that the only reason Cena still holding on to the title is so that WWE can pimp that rediculous belt Cena carries around?

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Not at all.