Smackdown Spoilers from England...

[Guest New Jake]

Actually, let me rephrase that. Who cares about looks? Have you watched the product in the past couple of years?

 

 

And I'm not an Orton mark...

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My apologies and no...I have been on an "on and off" decline for the last couple of years because the product has been shit. My piont exactly why they should start pushing Rey.

[Aero 0]

Rey's been positioned ABOVE the US title for a while now. He faced JBL at NM, in the 3rd biggest match. He faced Eddie at SS(when the US title wasn't on the card), GAB(second biggest match after the WHC), JD(same as GAB) and WM(US title not on the card). He won all of those (Eddie) matches. He beat JBL, and has had him beat two other times before blatant DQs. Same with Orton recently.

 

The real bottom line is that Rey as WHC would do no worse business than what they're doing right now. It wouldn't hurt anyone, the crowd wouldn't turn on it, other guys wouldn't lose cred. It would work.

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Actually, Benoit-OJ opened up the show for the US Title, but I don't blame you for forgetting. Count me in for wanting Rey to win the title sometime soon. Sure, it would be better to win the WWE Title rather than the World HEAVYWEIGHT Title, but under the circumstances of how messed up SD is right now, I wouldn't care.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

Rey could possibly be booked as a champion who isn't a joke...

 

but the WWE writers/bookers are not the ones to do it. no way WWE can do it. what in god's name makes any of you think they have the creativity or competence to do so?

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Rey could possibly be booked as a champion who isn't a joke...

 

but the WWE writers/bookers are not the ones to do it. no way WWE can do it. what in god's name makes any of you think they have the creativity or competence to do so?

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Well, the WWE also booked Katie Vick, Bossman/Al Snow, The Al Wilson Saga, BikerTaker (sorry, the premise is BIZARRE), and completely screwed up the money angle that could have been the InVasion.

 

We might not be tested, but we aren't complete dolts either.

 

 

 

I am one to say that it would be EXTREMELY hard to take Rey as a credible champ for the reasons King Cucaracha mentioned. He is too much on playing defense and getting destroyed. That's more of a HBK-heel type of character, but he is the super plucky face that overcomes the odds. An odd-beater shouldn't be one of the two biggest champs in the country.

 

The ONLY way I can see it working is if they turn Rey into a VERY SERIOUS face that is out there to win and be the best, and isn't about playing the crowd and popping the fans. He can keep those moves, Yes, but he gets too sidetracked when his character *should* be about hitting everything he can and keeping moving. When he pauses before the 619 to play it up, it takes away from the rest of the match where he darted like a pinball.

 

If he cut promos where he stated that his desire was to be a World Champion and he was never given the shot in WCW or anywhere else and he started CONVINCINGLY beating guys (Yeah, Rey won one of the bigger Summerslam matches, but it took like 3 extra people - two women and a child actually, to help him do it). They need to put Rey over as a guy that is more focused than he ever has been and is about the WIN more than the fans. He won't lose heat over that, and nobody will boo him. That is about the only, and I mean ONLY, way that he could ever come close to being a credible and worthwhile champion that won't look out of place and won't always seem like he's "in peril" when he shouldn't be. Like I said before, the only champs that should be "in peril" are the chickenshit heel types.

[Guest Nathan]

With Eddie gone, Mysterio is the best worker in the company now... Anyone with proper booking can be a convincing world champion, and considering how talented he is, it will be no problem for him.

[slimm44 0]

Well after a week of Batista taking one attack after another, here is how I would book Survior Series Main Event. Have Smackdown get ganged up on by RAW, Rey and Lashley get eliminated, leaving a 5 on 3 (or have Masters or Carlito eliminated as well). Batista gets taken out by Kane and Show, this time permanently, no more Superman run ins. Have it come down to Orton-Michaels (again) Undertaker interferes and helps or attacks Orton

 

That week on Smackdown they announce Batista is out indefinitely, start a tournament for the title, and have the finals between Undertaker-Orton in the rumored Hell in a Cell at Armageddon. That way, if Orton gets attacked by Taker it would add to their feud, and if he helped Orton, it would make him more mysterious, since he's feuded with Orton since WM 21

[The Amazing Rando 0]

A tournament final should not be advertised as a HIAC. And even if it's not advertised it should not be turned into it, regardless of the feud. Championship Tournament Finals are about who the best wrestler of the company/brand is, and by throwing in that kind of stipulation is just takes away from it. I mean, if Taker wins, you can argue Orton could have won a ladder match or a streetfight or a last man standing match (this is in the marks eyes), and if Orton wins you can say the same thing about Taker. If it's just a regular one-on-one "lets see who is better" match, and the finish is clean (fuck Cowboy Bob), then it leaves really no argument that Orton or Taker SHOULD be champion.

 

A gimmick completely screws that up.

[Guest New Jake]

Becides Taker/Orton in the finals would be aweful. Orton should just stay away from the title and the main event for that matter.

[Foshi 0]

I'd buy Rey as champ. It's really all in the booking and the guy's charisma. Michaels faced Diesel, Vader, and Sid during his title run and it seemed completely believable that he could beat them. Granted, Rey's even smaller than him, but I think the point is the same. There's nothing wrong with the face-in-peril as champ. That's what Michaels did with those guys. Bret did the same and had the out-of-nowhere wins against Yoko(avoiding the banzai) and Nash(the small package) and I think that element actually made the win that much more exciting. Rey has become very credible to me. When I saw him beat JBL a few weeks back, it didn't surprise me at all. In fact, I think I'd have a much harder time seeing Bradshaw beat Rey clean than vice versa. He's very over, has been pushed well(or at least presented well), and I think it'd be exciting and fresh to see him as champ and, though I do like him, I'm really no Rey mark.

[King Cucaracha 0]

As I'm sure many will mention, HBK's run as face-in-peril World Champion didn't draw too well.

[Hoff 0]

BUT (the Michaels apologist says) how much of that can be attributed to a nonexistant midcard trying to stack up against the nWo angle? There was no attitude in WWF circa 96, just a glimmer of hope in the form of Steve Austin.

[King Cucaracha 0]

That arguement rarely comes up because it's Michaels. But I agree, partly. Michaels was getting decent reactions from the crowd so it wasn't a cut and dry 'he wasn't over' issue. At the same time, the booking meant he never looked really strong and when he did, it came off badly (see Vader, Summerslam).

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

Rey has zero chance of being world champ. Why waste time discussing it?

 

I hope this Benoit/Booker series isn't embarrasing.

[Guest New Jake]

As I'm sure many will mention, HBK's run as face-in-peril World Champion didn't draw too well.

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Nore did Bret Harts. And the product wasn't even as stale as it is now. HBK was viewed as one of WWF/E's glowing exceptions despite decline of draw power. Rey can be the same.

[AndrewTS 0]

As I'm sure many will mention, HBK's run as face-in-peril World Champion didn't draw too well.

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But nothing in WWE now is either.

 

There is nothing that could make me care about another Orton/Taker match.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Rey has zero chance of being world champ. Why waste time discussing it?

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We also thought Vince had zero chance of drug testing again. You never really rule anything out, because you just don't know what might happen.

[Guest Ransome]

- Batista vs. Randy Orton for the World Heavyweight Title went to a no contest after a huge brawl broke out between the entire RAW and Smackdown! rosters in the ring and around the ringside area.

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Smackdown just aired here in Australia. To expand on the spoilers, Batista vs Orton is only about two minutes long before the Raw vs SD brawl begins.

 

The show ends with Batista taking a double chokeslam through the announcer's table by Big Show and Kane. Given his condition, I'm surprised he took such a big bump, although he was heavily bandaged at the time.

[Hoff 0]

That arguement rarely comes up because it's Michaels. But I agree, partly. Michaels was getting decent reactions from the crowd so it wasn't a cut and dry 'he wasn't over' issue. At the same time, the booking meant he never looked really strong and when he did, it came off badly (see Vader, Summerslam).

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Christ, that match was horrible. The sad thing is, they could have done so much more with it.

[haVoc 0]

That was Michaels and Vader's fault. They went getting along during the match. I wouldn't blame the bookers and agents.

 

Those two should have been pro's since they were working the main event at one of the biggest PPV's of the year.

[k thx 0]

Rey has zero chance of being world champ. Why waste time discussing it?

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We also thought Vince had zero chance of drug testing again.

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Vince does have zero chance of drug testing again.

[Guest New Jake]

On a different topic, I like how they are pushing Kane and the Big Show in all this. That double chokeslam on Batista through the table was cool. And Big Show' manacial laugh; best Big Show segmant ever.

[cabbageboy 0]

How exactly is all of this going to work at the end of the day though? As in who is going to emerge as a heel and face in this whole angle? Are guys just going to stay heel or face on their show and only go another way when on the other show?

 

As far as the S. Series match goes, Lashley should not be the first man out. So far no one really knows who he is, so he shouldn't just go out and job early in the match or it kills him out of the gate. In fact he might be a dark horse to survive in the match, or maybe last a while before getting counted out. He cannot eat a pin here however.

 

I'm not sure who will win yet but in terms of Raw I'd have Carlito out first (taking either an RKO or Lashley killing him), then Masters out after he has the full nelson on Batista and weakens him but then Lashley breaks out of it and rids us of Masters. I'd have Big Show and Kane double team Batista soon after and eliminate him. JBL can eliminate either Show or Kane and the other fights with Lashley on the floor and both are counted out. I think that would leave us with Rey/JBL vs. Shawn. Shawn would get sweet chin music on Rey to eliminate him, leaving us with Shawn vs. JBL.

 

Not sure who would win there though.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

All this speculation about the match is assuming Batista will still be in the match.

 

Remember, The Undertaker is still set to come back Survivor Series...and after that table chokeslam, there's a chance he'd be on the team.

[haVoc 0]

Is there a reason why they're having a live SD next Tuesday? Seem like it came from out of no where.

[cabbageboy 0]

I'd quite like it if Smackdown was on Tuesdays instead of Friday. It gives you a nice follow up to Raw on Monday the next night rather than forgetting everything and then having to tune in at the end of the week.

 

If UT ends up on the team how would he and Orton coexist? I don't think he'll be on the team but instead will show up at some point and freak Orton out, causing him to be counted out or eliminated.

[Guest FromBeyondTheGrave]

Is there a reason why they're having a live SD next Tuesday? Seem like it came from out of no where.

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It's not really a normal Smackdown. It's going to be live after the tapings for Friday Night Smackdown on Dec/2nd. It's just a UPN special. Big Show .VS. Rey, "can't miss" TV.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

That was Michaels and Vader's fault. They went getting along during the match. I wouldn't blame the bookers and agents.

 

Those two should have been pro's since they were working the main event at one of the biggest PPV's of the year.

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The only one who had a problem during that was Shawn, and the temper tantrum he threw half-way into the match. Shawn had a lot of them that year.

[Guest New Jake]

As far as the S. Series match goes, Lashley should not be the first man out. So far no one really knows who he is, so he shouldn't just go out and job early in the match or it kills him out of the gate. In fact he might be a dark horse to survive in the match, or maybe last a while before getting counted out. He cannot eat a pin here however.

 

Look, screw the idea of pushing Lashley as some unbeatable newcomer in what ever concept of a match record. Pin, submission. Who cares. It's a boring, overworked and an outdated formula. The best way Lashley can be pushed in this contest is getting rid of a jobber or two, work over some of the RAW main eventers like Micheals and have him finally fall to a double chokeslam from Kane and Big Show behind the ref's back so it looked like his advantage was robbed. Personally I just see Lashley as a spot filler among the other jobbers like Carlito and Masters. Though I wouldn't mind seeing him eliminate either of those two, he is not yet worth pushing to such a high calamity.

 

What I would like to see though is the match narrowed down to Batista/JBL and Micheals/Kane. Carlito can be taken down by Lashley first hand. Second to fall should be Lashley himself after he works over Masters and HBK but gets eliminated by Kane after he and Big show hit that double chokeslam as I suggested. Then Master can eat a pin from Mysterio after a 619 then Mysterio can be Eliminated by HBK, Kane or Big Show later on. After that Big Show must be Eliminated by Randy Orton after taking a spine buster, a clothesliene from hell and an RKO(note that Cowby Bob won't be at ringside because Randy told him before hand in an interview to stay out of it unless needed). Then later Orton can be on the virge of eliminating HBK with an RKO while the ref is fending off a brawl, then suddonly the lights go out, the gong goes, thunder strikes blah blah. When the lights go back on Orton is still standing in the ring with HBK laid out but the fans point to the stage. Undertaker has Bob Orton on his kneed and he's a bloody mess. He pummels Bob Orton on the entrance way untill chokeslamming him off the stage while Randy watches helplessly leaving him wide open to a sweet chin music from HBK then getting elimintated(Batista in the meantine can get layed out by Kane on the outside with a steel chair while the ref is fending off JBL). When it's finally narrowed down to Batista/JBL vs Kane/HBK. Kane can get eliminated after taking sweet chin music and a Batista bomb. After he gets pinned by Batista, Kane can go balistic and chokeslam Batista threw the spannish anouncers table before getting pulled off by officials and other Smackdown jobbers, probably getting a few of themselfs chokeslammed. Then later when Batista holds his own well against HBK, he tags in JBL. But when JBL hits the ropes and dodges HBK, BOOM, he hits Batista with the clothesline from hell laying out the smackdown leader. JBL then nails HBK and books it up the entrance indicating he's made a jump to RAW. A sweet chin music later, HBK pins Batista, RAW wins and JBL appears the next night to gloat about his screwjob.

 

Everyone can be happy with that.

[Si82 0]

What I would like to see though is the match narrowed down to Batista/JBL and Micheals/Kane. Carlito can be taken down by Lashley first hand. Second to fall should be Lashley himself after he works over Masters and HBK but gets eliminated by Kane after he and Big show hit that double chokeslam as I suggested. Then Master can eat a pin from Mysterio after a 619 then Mysterio can be Eliminated by HBK, Kane or Big Show later on. After that Big Show must be Eliminated by Randy Orton after taking a spine buster, a clothesliene from hell and an RKO(note that Cowby Bob won't be at ringside because Randy told him before hand in an interview to stay out of it unless needed). Then later Orton can be on the virge of eliminating HBK with an RKO while the ref is fending off a brawl, then suddonly the lights go out, the gong goes, thunder strikes blah blah. When the lights go back on Orton is still standing in the ring with HBK laid out but the fans point to the stage. Undertaker has Bob Orton on his kneed and he's a bloody mess. He pummels Bob Orton on the entrance way untill chokeslamming him off the stage while Randy watches helplessly leaving him wide open to a sweet chin music from HBK then getting elimintated(Batista in the meantine can get layed out by Kane on the outside with a steel chair while the ref is fending off JBL). When it's finally narrowed down to Batista/JBL vs Kane/HBK. Kane can get eliminated after taking sweet chin music and a Batista bomb. After he gets pinned by Batista, Kane can go balistic and chokeslam Batista threw the spannish anouncers table before getting pulled off by officials and other Smackdown jobbers, probably getting a few of themselfs chokeslammed. Then later when Batista holds his own well against HBK, he tags in JBL. But when JBL hits the ropes and dodges HBK, BOOM, he hits Batista with the clothesline from hell laying out the smackdown leader. JBL then nails HBK and books it up the entrance indicating he's made a jump to RAW. A sweet chin music later, HBK pins Batista, RAW wins and JBL appears the next night to gloat about his screwjob.

 

Everyone can be happy with that.

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I wouldn't be happy with that overbooked mess.

 

Mind you, I'm not ordering the show anyway.

[Guest New Jake]

Who gives a shit about overbookment? They might as well book the hole thing to hell.