NFL Week XIV

[Guest]

How about giving the kid a fuckin chance at least in a meaningless game to see what he can do in a game situation. He deserves at least that. I'll give you a perfect example of what i'm talking about. For the first years after drafting him the Jets were not high on Chad Pennington at all and had big time doubts about him. When he finally got his chance due to injury he shined and was a very good quarterback until his injury.

God forbid that the Packers actually try to win a game, something that wouldn't happen with Rodgers in the lineup. They're trying to make something of their season, bad as they are.

 

 

Even if he's not that impressive you have to give him a chance to show what he can do in a game time scenario.

That happens in the last week of the season on most terrible teams.

 

If you want to defend your precious little Favre then feel free, I feel h'e s fuckin selfish and has proven he is. Like when Rodgers was drafted Favre said "it's not my job or problem to see he gets ready". That's a dickhead thing to say to the media. You think it would be any different if you guys had Leinart or Young....nope, Favre would still be out there. He wouldn't even come out for a WHILE when he injured himself a few weeks ago and threw a TD for INT against the Bears. The proof is there, like it or not. Stop being a little bitch.

Favre was right, it's not his job to get Rodgers ready, it's the job of the offensive coordinator and QB's coach. Is he just supposed to say that he's not playing today? That's not really the best thing to do for the team either, as losing and Favre not playing would kill morale. Favre staying in against the Bears wasn't a bad thing for the team, it was good. Too bad that when a guy actually shows some heart, he gets percieved as a bitch. That's terrible.

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Dillon did play some in that Colts game butwasnt close to being healthy and he had a very costly fumble that changed the momentum of that game completely. The Pats were gonna score and tie the game on that drive.

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Bears got owned. Especially Urlacher.

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

Yeah that Urlacher/Bus clip reminded me of Bo Jackson running over Bosworth back in the day.

[KingPK 0]

For some reason, I watched the end of the Sunday Night game. I want that half hour of my life back.

 

 

King, did you make any sense of that call made after the Packers stopped the Lions on fourth down? I still have no idea why a safety was not called on the Packers. Fine the holding was not in the end zone, but how can (a.) how can a running back be called for intentional grounding and (b.) if it was so obvious that he fumbled intentionally, why was what it not a safety?

 

I don't know at all. The holding WAS in the end zone AND the RB intentionally threw the ball out of the end zone, so I thought the safety call was a no-brainer. Sherman must have done some great bargaining with the refs to get the call he did.

[Guest Leelee]

Note to all QB's and RB's.

 

If you're caught behind the line of scrimmage, and about to go down... roll the ball out of your hands, and it will be an incompletion. I can't begin to fathom what the refs we're thinking there. Except that this shit is fixed, somehow.

[razazteca 0]

Did it look like a pass or was it really a fumble?

[KingPK 0]

He pretty much pushed the ball out of his hands as he was going down, so it was clear he was deliberately trying to avoid the safety, which is illegal.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I don't care what anyone says, Bret Favre is a selfish, selfserving prick. God forbid Aaron Rodgers get some playing time, on a 2--10 team going absolutely nowhere. I'm not even saying for the dick not to start, because that would end his beloved streak, but at least let the kid get some reps out there and some playing time.

 

God forbid Aaron Rodgers isn't as good as what was reported to be, being the reason why the Packers have been scouting Matt Leinart and might not be picking up the option on Rodgers' contract next season. In other words, a first round pick completely wasted, just like I though it would.

 

And you're saying that as if it was Favre's decision who plays or not. How many other starting veterans on other teams with similar records (or hell, any team that's not going anywhere at this point) are still playing? What's the point of Steve "Human Injury Report" McNair slinging around deep balls for the Titans? Or anyone on the Texans' o-line, for that matter (their backups can't possibly be any worse, can they?).

 

Call "Bret" Favre a selfish prick or whatever you want, I don't care. Just don't use any idiotic reasoning like that. Plenty of other players on teams not going anywhere, including the Packers, are still starting without giving way to rookies for reps and playing time.

 

 

How about giving the kid a fuckin chance at least in a meaningless game to see what he can do in a game situation. He deserves at least that. I'll give you a perfect example of what i'm talking about. For the first years after drafting him the Jets were not high on Chad Pennington at all and had big time doubts about him. When he finally got his chance due to injury he shined and was a very good quarterback until his injury.

 

 

Even if he's not that impressive you have to give him a chance to show what he can do in a game time scenario. If you want to defend your precious little Favre then feel free, I feel h'e s fuckin selfish and has proven he is. Like when Rodgers was drafted Favre said "it's not my job or problem to see he gets ready". That's a dickhead thing to say to the media. You think it would be any different if you guys had Leinart or Young....nope, Favre would still be out there. He wouldn't even come out for a WHILE when he injured himself a few weeks ago and threw a TD for INT against the Bears. The proof is there, like it or not. Stop being a little bitch

 

First off, I didn't flame you or insult you in any way, I was just refuting your point. Chill the fuck out, and learn how to have a reasonable discussion if you want me or anyone else here to take your arguments seriously. Second of all, I would criticize Favre as much as I would defend him, but I just find that in this case, it doesn't make any sense to criticize him.

 

Apparently you didn't get the part where the coaches decide who goes in the game or not, not the players. Or the part where I mentioned that if you call Favre selfish for doing that, you can call hundreds of other starters on teams that are a lock to not make the playoffs selfish for the same thing. As for giving him a chance to show what he can do in a game-time scenario, well, that's what the preseason was/is for. He got something along the lines of 20-30 full drives on his own (and that's a reasonable number considering he was the #4 quarterback going into the preseason, and the #3 post-training camp) and all of that produced a single field goal. He's a rookie, and he had to learn the offense, sure, but he didn't show the Packers or anyone else for that matter, that he earned any playing time.

 

As for the Chad Pennington example you mentioned, he played in approximately four games his first two years, throwing 25 passes. He turned out fine until his injuries, as you said, and we can agree on that. So how did sitting and barely having any playing time in the first two years hurt him any? Honest question. What made you think that he would be any better a quarterback for getting some "game-time experience" his first couple years?

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They need two OLs, thats for sure... and Domanick Davis will serve that purpose. Bush is good enough that he can start immediately.

 

And probably get pummelled due to having no offensive line.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Playing time really helped Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, etc.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Well, it DID help Eli Manning and Donovan McNabb, at least in the argument that they turned out to be good (at least in McNabb's case, as Manning has done well this season, but isn't quite up there yet). But my argument is that the amount of playing time had no bearing on whether they turned out to be great or not. Manning and McNabb also had the benefit of being on teams with no other real option at quarterback, so being thrown into the fire wasn't a bad thing for them. Another thing I forgot to mention is that, no matter how talented a quarterback may or may not be, confidence is more important at that position than perhaps at any other one.. throwing a rookie who may not have the full grasp of an offense quite yet out there and getting just absolutely embarassed on television isn't going to do wonders for his confidence and being able to keep his cool. Tim Couch is a prime example of this, though to be fair to him, he had no time to really develop and sit on the bench. Aaron Rodgers has this opportunity, and there's nothing wrong with him taking it.

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There's also the example of Alex Smith. He's shown some good stuff, but he gets knocked around, and he just looks scared. I don't know if he'll ever regain his confidence. The ball just slipped right out of his hands this week.

 

Either way, let the fucking coach decide.

 

Edit: You ever think Favre might put up another good season with Walker back in the fold? It might be a bit unlikely, but it's feasible.

Edited December 13, 2005 by Special K

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Why are the Packers so down on him anyways? Goeman, Kahran or VX can answer this.

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Stillers.com rocks.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Why are the Packers so down on him anyways? Goeman, Kahran or VX can answer this.

 

He looked terrible in pre-season and practice. Personally, I'm not nearly as down on him as some others like VX. I just don't think that throwing a rookie out there under the bus, on an awful team like Green Bay is going to help him. It is more likely to end up hurting him as he gets killed behind GB's terrible offensive line.

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Do you think if the Texans draft Bush...that they release Davis..

 

And Green & Davenport are both UFA after this season I believe. Do you think that the Packers might go after Davis, I wouldn't mind having him alongside Gado as the backup....

 

Then the Packers can also draft an Offensive Guard, or another first round cornerback (hopefully not a bust like Carroll)

[Guest Vitamin X]

Edit: You ever think Favre might put up another good season with Walker back in the fold? It might be a bit unlikely, but it's feasible.

 

Favre, despite having the league lead in interceptions, is having a pretty good year despite that. He's 5th in the league in passing yards and is tied for 8th with Matt Hasselbeck in TDs. It's not just Walker, either. Robert Ferguson, the second round pick they drafted (over Chris fucking Chambers, mind you) years ago, was supposed to be good enough to start, and he's been incredibly inconsistent or injured this year, leaving the Packers with the only realistic receiving option being Donald Driver. So yes, having Walker back opposite Driver should benefit the whole Packers offense, considering Walker was one of the more elite receivers in the league pre-injury. I think if Javon proves he comes back and has a big year next year, the Packers reward him with a huge extension sometime midseason next year.

 

Why are the Packers so down on him anyways? Goeman, Kahran or VX can answer this.

 

Apparently, he was awful during preseason, and couldn't even play his way up to the #2 backup slot in terms of picking up the offense. He had around 25 full drives on his own during preseason and out of all those drives, was able to lead the offense to just a single field goal. Also, he's a Cal/Jeff Tedford quarterback, so that just doomed him right there in terms of being an NFL-caliber quarterback. I've been down on him since the second the Packers drafted him, as I thought a quality guard or player along the front seven on defense would have been much more beneficial than drafting a quarterback who realistically won't even see the field for another 2-3 years in terms of being the starter.

 

Also, considering the fact that they could have drafted a guard or front seven player and still be at 3-10 at this point in the season, means that they would have a shot at Leinart anyways... who apparently they have been scouting.

 

Do you think if the Texans draft Bush...that they release Davis..

 

And Green & Davenport are both UFA after this season I believe. Do you think that the Packers might go after Davis, I wouldn't mind having him alongside Gado as the backup....

 

Then the Packers can also draft an Offensive Guard, or another first round cornerback (hopefully not a bust like Carroll)

 

I somehow doubt the Texans draft Bush, it just makes absolutely no sense to do so. And if they did, you'd probably look for the Packers to go after D'Brickshaw Ferguson, as long as Ferguson is able to play guard, which is their most pressing need on the offensive line at the moment. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers tried to swing a deal with Aaron Rodgers to another team in need of a possible future QB like maybe Oakland, and traded down for an additional couple picks in the first round.

 

Just because Green and Davenport are UFAs after this season, doesn't mean they can't drop the axe on Tony Fisher (who has just been positively awful in any role he's played this year) and sign both to short-term deals, considering they have the leverage in negotiations, and keep the depth chart at Gado, Green, and Davenport.. Unless of course they draft Reggie Bush, in which case they can let either Green or Davenport go, most likely Davenport. They don't need a first round corner, Carroll has been quietly, steadily improving, but still plays way too physical for a 5-9 corner who has blazing speed. I think Carroll is much more suited for playing a nickelback/punt-kick return role anyways. Maybe a free agent pickup or trade for a quality safety and getting rid of Mark Roman would benefit the secondary as a whole, even if they are the league's best right now, well at least statistically.

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Packwing, Domanick Davis is better than Samkon Gado. If you had both on your team, you start Davis, not Gado.

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At the game, Rodgers looked terrible in-person. His throws were wobbly ducked, and he didn't look like a good QB. He did look good catching the ball though. I don't know, it seemed like he's been doomed since he got there. Longwell doesn't want him as holder, and he may use the back-up job to Nall. You put him in against the Bears, and it'll be like Jaws tearing through Quinn. I'd honestly either trade him or cut him. Since Shaun Alexander is gonna get a ton of money, let's see if we can try to pry Steve Hutchinson from them. Rodgers just was another example of Tommy Maddox syndrome, he'll probably be in Canada soon.

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On his weekly radio show last Friday here, Charley Casserly basically said they won't be drafting Bush without actually saying it (since they can't "officially" talk about underclassmen). He feels they are pretty well set at RB, so I wouldn't get excited about Domanick Davis, Pack fans.

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[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Rodgers just was another example of Tommy Maddox syndrome, he'll probably be in Canada soon.

 

He and Alex Smith can play against each other in the Grey Cup.

[Sass 0]

I'll re-iterate what I've said before:

 

Favre sticking around long enough so he breaks all of Dan Marino's records would be one of the best things to happen to both Marino and the NFL. Dan-o wouldn't have to live in Superbowl-less shame whenever his name is brought up as "who holds most of the QB records?" if Favre was right there above him in the rankings and the NFL could settle the "who's the greatest QB of all-time?" debate and just finally heap all praise on Favre.

 

All GB needs are OL, DE, and some badass LB's and they'll be a contender once again. They've got 3 really good WR's, 3 good RB's, and some okay DL and 2ndary players. Oh yeah...maybe a new head coach too. Dan Reeves in GB would have been a really good fit instead of him heading down to Houston to take over a lousy Texans team.

 

If Favre were on the Jets, they'd be SB bound right now instead of another bottom-tier team in the AFC.

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At the game, Rodgers looked terrible in-person. His throws were wobbly ducked, and he didn't look like a good QB. He did look good catching the ball though. I don't know, it seemed like he's been doomed since he got there. Longwell doesn't want him as holder, and he may use the back-up job to Nall. You put him in against the Bears, and it'll be like Jaws tearing through Quinn. I'd honestly either trade him or cut him. Since Shaun Alexander is gonna get a ton of money, let's see if we can try to pry Steve Hutchinson from them. Rodgers just was another example of Tommy Maddox syndrome, he'll probably be in Canada soon.

 

No way in hell. I have a feeling they would rather keep Hutch and Jones together than sign Alexander (they can do both hopefully) as that left side is dominate.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I'll re-iterate what I've said before:

 

Favre sticking around long enough so he breaks all of Dan Marino's records would be one of the best things to happen to both Marino and the NFL. Dan-o wouldn't have to live in Superbowl-less shame whenever his name is brought up as "who holds most of the QB records?" if Favre was right there above him in the rankings and the NFL could settle the "who's the greatest QB of all-time?" debate and just finally heap all praise on Favre.

 

All GB needs are OL, DE, and some badass LB's and they'll be a contender once again. They've got 3 really good WR's, 3 good RB's, and some okay DL and 2ndary players. Oh yeah...maybe a new head coach too. Dan Reeves in GB would have been a really good fit instead of him heading down to Houston to take over a lousy Texans team.

 

If Favre were on the Jets, they'd be SB bound right now instead of another bottom-tier team in the AFC.

 

I'm actually quite satisified with Kampman and KGB at DE, they definitely need a playmaker at DT, though. Na'il Diggs and Nick Barnett are awesome and only getting better, especially in the case of Barnett, but they've yet to settle on that third LB. Mark Roman needs to be replaced at FS as well, but the defense other than those single players at each level, is pretty good.. and on offense they need to 1.) Stay healthy and 2.) Get a new guard. Only one, since either Scott Wells or Grey Ruegamer, both backup centers, have shown they can step in one of the guard slots and play very well.

 

They could've been a contender this year as well, if it wasn't for Sherman's horrible clock management and the team's stupid turnovers. They definitely need a new spark on offense, which dates back to late last season..

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

On his weekly radio show last Friday here, Charley Casserly basically said they won't be drafting Bush without actually saying it (since they can't "officially" talk about underclassmen). He feels they are pretty well set at RB, so I wouldn't get excited about Domanick Davis, Pack fans.

 

If Casserly is still the GM at the draft, they stay at #1, and they don't draft Bush than CC's a bigger fucking moron than I thought. Davis is a good RB, but Bush is Davis with breakaway speed. There were a couple of runs last week where Davis got caught on the angle or from behind and I sat there and thought that Bush would've taken it all the way. Besides, who else is worth #1 for the Texans? They don't need Leinart (assuming they pick up Carr's option), Ferguson is a good tackle but isn't the dominant blocker they need up front, and Hawk is a good LB but there's plenty of other good LBs available in the draft. Drafting for need is what has led to the Texans to their current problems. They need playmakers. Bush is a playmaker. There's plenty of chances for Bush to get touches without hindering Davis.

 

By the way, there's no way the Texans would simply cut Davis. Davis IS a good NFL back. The Texans know that should they choose to offer him up for trade, they would get something for him. Plus, if they cut him the remainder of his signing bonus (about $4 million) would get tacked on to this year's salary cap. That's a hit they don't need.

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

I'll re-iterate what I've said before:

 

Favre sticking around long enough so he breaks all of Dan Marino's records would be one of the best things to happen to both Marino and the NFL. Dan-o wouldn't have to live in Superbowl-less shame whenever his name is brought up as "who holds most of the QB records?" if Favre was right there above him in the rankings and the NFL could settle the "who's the greatest QB of all-time?" debate and just finally heap all praise on Favre.

 

All GB needs are OL, DE, and some badass LB's and they'll be a contender once again. They've got 3 really good WR's, 3 good RB's, and some okay DL and 2ndary players. Oh yeah...maybe a new head coach too. Dan Reeves in GB would have been a really good fit instead of him heading down to Houston to take over a lousy Texans team.

 

If Favre were on the Jets, they'd be SB bound right now instead of another bottom-tier team in the AFC.

 

I'm actually quite satisified with Kampman and KGB at DE, they definitely need a playmaker at DT, though. Na'il Diggs and Nick Barnett are awesome and only getting better, especially in the case of Barnett, but they've yet to settle on that third LB. Mark Roman needs to be replaced at FS as well, but the defense other than those single players at each level, is pretty good.. and on offense they need to 1.) Stay healthy and 2.) Get a new guard. Only one, since either Scott Wells or Grey Ruegamer, both backup centers, have shown they can step in one of the guard slots and play very well.

 

They could've been a contender this year as well, if it wasn't for Sherman's horrible clock management and the team's stupid turnovers. They definitely need a new spark on offense, which dates back to late last season..

 

Local GB media says Diggs is on the chopping block for the off season since he is gonna make BIG money next year and he hasn't played hardly this year.

 

The local fans took turns calling in and saying "Fire Sherman, Bench Favre" most sports guys here just say its people over reacting and wanting change for the shake of change.

 

The Packers have had more 100 yard RB games this year with the rotating O-line than last year which was considered a top 10 line

 

Ahman Green has 12-15 straight starts without a 100 yard game

 

It came out this week that 2 of last year's Asst Coaches left, cause Sherman was such a control freak

Sherman’s general lack of trust in his people and the way he dismisses the opinions of others within the organization were reasons why assistants Ray Sherman and Johnny Roland elected to make lateral moves last winter and join losing teams. The offense has missed them.

 

 

 

 

They’re also going to have to find a new kicker, apparently, because Ryan Longwell is sick of playing second fiddle to dome kickers

Edited December 14, 2005 by Frank_Nabbit

[Guest Vitamin X]

The Sherman news is old, really. Darren Sharper hinted to it in the offseason, which at first I amounted it to just talking shit because he went to a division rival, but yeah, Ray Sherman leaving was really bad.

 

And fuck Ryan Longwell, he's missed a HELL of a lot of gimme's this year and last year. I remember him shanking a 20-something yard field goal towards the end of the first half in the Viking playoff loss last year, and just shaking my head. Guy's kicked a lot of game winners, but lately he's been incredibly inconsistent. Everyone wants to blame the holder, but I'm not so sure if he's really to blame.

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Don't forget the extra point that he missed that cost Green Bay a game against Tampa earlier this year.