Seriously, I have got to know

[Failed Bridge 0]

As far as Mike Shaw(Bastion Booger) goes, he was a very good worker but got stuck with shit gimmiks through-out his career. Just wanted to say that in response to what DH placed at the end of his post.

 

Kotz, you admittedly wasted $7(well at least that much. Not taking into account any food or beverages you had) last night. Say you go every month and get the same results 10 out of 12 times a year. That's $70 you could have spent on other things, along with about 21hrs of your life you could be spending doing something else. I personally wouldn't be able to justify to myself that the money and time spent is worth it as long as I get a few "tingles" here and there from a couple of matches or encounters. To each their own though.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Why don't you save yourself the typing effort and let people enjoy the programs? This thread is probably a cumulative amount of an half-hour or so you could be spending doing something else!

 

Not like Sunday nights are huge social evenings or anything, and the shows sucking are always covered up by the awesome group of people who show up every month at the place for the shows. A good show is made even better by the crowd. The couple of times non-fans have come with me they admitted they had a blast even though the PPV sucked.

Edited December 20, 2005 by Kotzenjunge

[AntiLeaf33 0]

I try to catch RAW every week. As for Smackdown, where all of this stupid shit has been happening, I really couldn't give a fuck if I watched another episode of it

[Guest Leelee]

I've never met a group of wrestling fans that were "awesome".

 

As for Raw being a force of habit, it is. Even though I rarely ever watch WWE programming outside of Royal Rumble time, it's still ingrained in my head to watch wrestling on Monday night.

 

Plus, I just like being negative about the product. Because I like being negative about everything.

[Downhome 0]

As far as Mike Shaw(Bastion Booger) goes, he was a very good worker but got stuck with shit gimmiks through-out his career. Just wanted to say that in response to what DH placed at the end of his post.

 

That doesn't make up for the fact that he's up there with the best of the worst in terms of horrible gimmicks.

 

-Friar Ferguson

-Bastien Booger

-Trucker Norm

-Norman the Lunitic

 

But yes, he was a solid worker, especially pre-WWF (Stampede).

 

I think a better question, instead of asking why people still watch, would be this. Why exactly do you care what complete strangers watch? I don't understand why people still seem to enjoy all of the reality TV, but I'm not all that interested in going to a message board full of people like that questioning them about it.

 

I'm sure you, and others who don't watch WWE anymore but still question why other people watch, are into all kinds of stuff that a lot of other people would see as a waste of time, but like you said, to each their own.

 

I failed to mention it before, but there are actually quite a few workers that I still enjoy watching, even if they are being jobbed out for the time being.

 

The overall booking of the storylines it my biggest problem right now. If they could get their shit together in terms of the storylines, I'd be more willing to give them a pass when it comes to some of the overly stupid and offensive stuff.

[Guest Leelee]

You leave Friar Ferguson the fuck alone.

 

Dancing fat monk = money.

[AndrewTS 0]

I try to catch RAW every week. As for Smackdown, where all of this stupid shit has been happening, I really couldn't give a fuck if I watched another episode of it

 

 

Ditto. Sadly I never remember to d/l Velocity.

 

And Firefox is awesome indeed.

 

How was Ferguson's dancing?

[Downhome 0]

 

I have a .GIF of it on my computer somewhere.

 

The man sure loved to dance though:

 

[Guest Andrew J.]

I watch it because apparently I have poor taste. Seriously. If you want me to rattle off a list of things I like that are generally considered sucky by others, I will.

[Slayer 0]

I honestly do not remember the Friar Ferguson gimmick at all.

 

I remember all the others, but not FF...

[Guest wahoo]

WWE wants your feedback

 

https://secure.wwe.com/forms/contact/help/show.php

 

mmm, maybe they don't really ?!?

[justcoz 0]

Why do any of you still watch this shit? They don't wrestle and there's no entertainment in it. Less than a month after one of their best workers dies in a pretty tragic fashion they use his death as part of some angle (whatever it is I read about them blowing up his car or some shit) and now they do a suicide angle.

Do you enjoy repeatedly having your intelligence insulted, because I'd like to think that quite a few of you are smart enough to find this to be completely idiotic. At least you seem intelligent enough in other parts of this messageboard to be able to comprehend the constant stupidity that is the WWE.

 

I find plenty of it idiotic. But no more idiotic than Uncle Elmer's Wedding, Papa Shango making Ultimate Warrior vomit with his voodoo, Jake Roberts' snake biting Randy Savage, Ronnie Garvin in drag, Vader inviting Sting to the White Castle of Fear, Kamala eating a chicken and Fugi Vice. My point is crappy storylines, terrible gimmicks and bad booking decisions are one of the fun things about being a pro wrestling fan. Even when they were getting incredible ratings during the last boom in late 90's and providing very entertaining television we had Meat, Beaver Cleavage, The Oddities, Big Show's daddy's funeral, The Yetti, Glacier, Viagra on Pole Matches, Hummers running wrestlers over, etc. You can't watch this stuff without a sense of humor and that is apparently your problem. Not that a mock suicide, colonoscopy or necrophilia are necessarily funny but the idea that someone suggested such ideas in a meeting, thought they were good ideas and had that sentiment echoed by an enthusiastic Vince McMahon makes this shit hysterical.

 

And people hate it. Cry they are having their intelligence insulted but years down the road, on some internet message board, they will fondly recall Al Wilson, Billy and Chuck's gay wedding, Eddie Guerrero spraying feces on Big Show and Vince McMahon making employess kiss his bare ass.

 

The key is that, for diehards, in between all of the bullshit and stuff that makes you embarrassed to be a fan, there are times, matches and personalities that you treasure and will remember. Despite the product not being consistently good, I've seen plenty of promos that I've liked, enjoyed certain episodes of Raw, watched some pretty good wrestling, enjoyed matches from both TNA and WWE PPV's and enjoyed a nostalgia trip with the ECW PPV. Some good DVD's that chronical shit that I both enjoyed and hated have appeared on the market.

 

I've watched plenty of shows uninterested in the product, bored out of my mind but you know what, I've watched plenty of television that I've looked forward to only to be disappointed. I've watched plenty of football games that sucked. I've gone to baseball games, spending a ton of money on tix, food, drinks, merchandise, etc. to leave the ball park completely miserable over the outcome, swearing I'll never go see the Pittsburgh Pirates again. I have spent plenty Saturday nights at home, waiting for SNL, to watch REALLY BAD tv. I've disliked how certain documentaries were produced. Beend disappointed with certain series or season finales. But if you enjoy something you take the good with the bad and hope for the best.

[Guest Leelee]

 

Look at how happy the father and son are to the left of our beloved friar.

 

This gimmick needs to be brought back.

[krease 0]

Actually, I haven't watched in a while...I've been saying "why do I keep watching this" to myself for a few years now, but still watched it religiously out of habit more than anything else.

 

A few things happened that changed my perspective on it:

 

1. Smackdown moved to Fridays. Somehow it was just harder to get into the habit of spending my friday night watching wrestling. It was easier (and more entertaining) to spend 20 minutes reading the forums than to remember and spend 2 hours watching.

 

2. JR's ass. I actually sat through the whole thing. It bothered me on Katie Vick levels. At that point I decided to try "not watching" at all next week out of spite.

 

3. Eddie's death. I watched the two tribute shows because I'd heard they'd been done tastefully. Then the next week went back to the same old crap.

 

Try it. Change the channel. Play some video games. You'll miss it less than you think. If you find yourself wondering after the fact, read the forums here. Chances are there's a thread about the show full of people wondering why they still watch this stuff.

[Failed Bridge 0]

Why don't you save yourself the typing effort and let people enjoy the programs? This thread is probably a cumulative amount of an half-hour or so you could be spending doing something else!

I'm not saying people can't enjoy it. I'm just wondering why in the world people do still enjoy it and bother watching it. I could be doing something else but I'm actually enjoying the conversation in this thread and won't be thinking to myself later "Good god, I can't believe I bothered sitting through that." as it has sparked good conversation.

I think a better question, instead of asking why people still watch, would be this. Why exactly do you care what complete strangers watch? I don't understand why people still seem to enjoy all of the reality TV, but I'm not all that interested in going to a message board full of people like that questioning them about it.

I'm interested because this is a wrestling board. This board is suppose to be for "Smart Marks" and I can't really understand anybody that's smart really finding this to be worthwhile entertainment. If this was a WWE only board then I wouldn't bother ask, but seeing as how it is a board for Smart Marks I wonder why people here still bother watch it when there is another federation on TV now that you could focus your attention on. One where actual wrestling is the focal point.

I find plenty of it idiotic. But no more idiotic than Uncle Elmer's Wedding, Papa Shango making Ultimate Warrior vomit with his voodoo, Jake Roberts' snake biting Randy Savage, Ronnie Garvin in drag, Vader inviting Sting to the White Castle of Fear, Kamala eating a chicken and Fugi Vice. My point is crappy storylines, terrible gimmicks and bad booking decisions are one of the fun things about being a pro wrestling fan. Even when they were getting incredible ratings during the last boom in late 90's and providing very entertaining television we had Meat, Beaver Cleavage, The Oddities, Big Show's daddy's funeral, The Yetti, Glacier, Viagra on Pole Matches, Hummers running wrestlers over, etc. You can't watch this stuff without a sense of humor and that is apparently your problem. Not that a mock suicide, colonoscopy or necrophilia are necessarily funny but the idea that someone suggested such ideas in a meeting, thought they were good ideas and had that sentiment echoed by an enthusiastic Vince McMahon makes this shit hysterical.

There was a clear difference with those examples though

 

1.) None of it would be overly offensive to anybody on a personal level

2.) The actual wrestling that followed those types of lead-ins made watching that stuff in the end easier to deal with. They didn't have limited move sets for workers that knew what they were doing and they didn't place people that really had no clue how to work well in the ring into the spotlight. That includes Luger as he was always well protected by being second fiddle to Flair, Sting, Bret, Yokozuna, Hogan, etc.

And people hate it. Cry they are having their intelligence insulted but years down the road, on some internet message board, they will fondly recall Al Wilson, Billy and Chuck's gay wedding, Eddie Guerrero spraying feces on Big Show and Vince McMahon making employess kiss his bare ass.

I don't believe that anybody with the same mindset as my own in regards to the WWF/WWE will ever remenice about any of those moments.

I've gone to baseball games, spending a ton of money on tix, food, drinks, merchandise, etc. to leave the ball park completely miserable over the outcome, swearing I'll never go see the Pittsburgh Pirates again.

The Pittsburgh Pirates didn't meet with their opponent prior to the game and go over exactly how they would be losing and what would happen with the entire game. I'm sure if the Pirates had the option of pre-determining their games they would make every one of their fans happy. The WWE however hasn't appeared interested in doing that for years.

You leave Friar Ferguson the fuck alone.

 

Dancing fat monk = money.

As a little kid I really did enjoy that gimmik. The Bastion Booger one wasn't as enjoyable as I still remember going to a house show as a little kid and Mike Shaw walking up near where I was sitting. He had some of the Bushwhackers Sardines and something else he was eating too. I just recall him smelling REAL bad. My only real memory of that house show.

[Guest Hadley]

The thing is everyone says "well if you really need a wrestling fix watch TNA". The problem with that is TNA is only a 1 hr show, and its not like theres any other TNA broadcasts out there (Save for the mysterious xplosion show), while wwe has 4 (7 if you want to count AMRaw,velocity,and heat). Even when RAW was only an hour show we still had 5 additional hours of wwf to satisfy our need for wrestling(superstars,challenge,spotlight,mania,all american). Also, im sure if you look up the history of wrestling, you'll see much more bad matches/angles than good matches/angles. But people remember the good and forget the bad,THATS why we watch, for the good stuff, while we mock the bad.

[Guest Super Pissed Smark]

I find plenty of it idiotic. But no more idiotic than Uncle Elmer's Wedding,

 

Worth it for Piper interrupting it and Jesse's two carps in the Mississippi comment.

 

Papa Shango making Ultimate Warrior vomit with his voodoo,

 

Hilarious to me.

 

Jake Roberts' snake biting Randy Savage,

 

That was awesome!

 

Ronnie Garvin in drag,

 

Don't remember that. Thankfully.

 

Vader inviting Sting to the White Castle of Fear,

 

Not good, but the other one with Sid in flip flops and Vader threatening Sting and Davey Boy at the beach while their evil midget sidekick snuck behind them and planted a bomb on their boat was the greatest wrestling vignette of all time. All fucking time.

 

Kamala eating a chicken

 

PETA loved it.

 

and Fugi Vice.

 

Dude, Fuji Vice was hilarious. How could you not love Fuji Vice? I can still remember Muraco flubbing his lines and Fuji looking confused.

 

My point is crappy storylines, terrible gimmicks and bad booking decisions are one of the fun things about being a pro wrestling fan. Even when they were getting incredible ratings during the last boom in late 90's and providing very entertaining television we had Meat,

 

Hey, you had Meat. I never had Meat.

 

Beaver Cleavage,

 

Gone in like two weeks or something.

 

The Oddities,

 

Preliminary comedy guys. No harm.

 

Big Show's daddy's funeral,

 

Which rescued what might've been the first of these tasteless, uncomfortable, and just plain idiotic angles (Big Show's dad has cancer? He's dying? What the fuck is this crap?) and turned it into a comedy classic. Bossman interrupting the services with a megaphone and then dragging the coffin with Big Show on top of it was hysterical.

 

The Yetti, Glacier, Viagra on Pole Matches, Hummers running wrestlers over, etc. You can't watch this stuff without a sense of humor and that is apparently your problem. Not that a mock suicide, colonoscopy or necrophilia are necessarily funny but the idea that someone suggested such ideas in a meeting, thought they were good ideas and had that sentiment echoed by an enthusiastic Vince McMahon makes this shit hysterical.

 

Well, this is the big difference between all that other stuff and the current "comedy" - the only way Tim White's offscreen "suicide" is funny is because you can't believe anybody was stupid enough to think that people would want to pay money to watch this shit. WWE is dying-WCW funny now, as in not funny onscreen, but hilarious backstage.

 

And people hate it. Cry they are having their intelligence insulted but years down the road, on some internet message board, they will fondly recall Al Wilson, Billy and Chuck's gay wedding, Eddie Guerrero spraying feces on Big Show and Vince McMahon making employess kiss his bare ass.

 

Hmmmm. I dunno, I already can't remember any of the Al Wilson shit, other than I think he died as well.

 

 

Edit - I don't think the quote button likes me.

 

 

Nope, it doesn't.

Edited December 20, 2005 by Super Pissed Smark

[NoCalMike 0]

I have class on Monday Nights(sitting in right now)...so Raw gets Tivo'd, and I just sit there with the FF button on until something looks like it could be decent.

[2GOLD 0]

To make fun of it with a friend of mine and hope every now and then a good match will happen. That's about it.

[Art Sandusky 0]

On another more personal note, I'm not too negative about how bad the product is. Now, if I were one of the people who posted rant after rant saying how terrible it was and continued watching, that'd be different. I'm too easily entertained and don't get worked up over it unless it's something positive, I guess.

[Golgo 13 0]

Like others, I keep watching out of habit primarily, with the hope that I can catch the occasional good when it does happen or be able to make fun of the laughably bad. I know WWE is awful right now, but I'm far past the point of being angry or hostile about it. It'll have to get a lot worse before I quit.

[justcoz 0]

I find plenty of it idiotic. But no more idiotic than Uncle Elmer's Wedding, Papa Shango making Ultimate Warrior vomit with his voodoo, Jake Roberts' snake biting Randy Savage, Ronnie Garvin in drag, Vader inviting Sting to the White Castle of Fear, Kamala eating a chicken and Fugi Vice. My point is crappy storylines, terrible gimmicks and bad booking decisions are one of the fun things about being a pro wrestling fan. Even when they were getting incredible ratings during the last boom in late 90's and providing very entertaining television we had Meat, Beaver Cleavage, The Oddities, Big Show's daddy's funeral, The Yetti, Glacier, Viagra on Pole Matches, Hummers running wrestlers over, etc. You can't watch this stuff without a sense of humor and that is apparently your problem. Not that a mock suicide, colonoscopy or necrophilia are necessarily funny but the idea that someone suggested such ideas in a meeting, thought they were good ideas and had that sentiment echoed by an enthusiastic Vince McMahon makes this shit hysterical.

 

There was a clear difference with those examples though

 

1.) None of it would be overly offensive to anybody on a personal level

2.) The actual wrestling that followed those types of lead-ins made watching that stuff in the end easier to deal with. They didn't have limited move sets for workers that knew what they were doing and they didn't place people that really had no clue how to work well in the ring into the spotlight. That includes Luger as he was always well protected by being second fiddle to Flair, Sting, Bret, Yokozuna, Hogan, etc.

 

They didn't offend you on a personal level but I'm sure there were dozens of things happening that offended somebody in the viewing audience. People being turned off from the wrestling product isn't something that just happened recently. People from the 70's Sammartino era were turned off by Cyndi Lauper and Mr. T. being involved. My friend Peter's mom wouldn't let him watch wrestling because Roddy Piper was calling Mr. T a porch monkey in Wrestlemania 1 buildup. He'd come over my house to watch. They've always walked the line on potentially offensive issues. The Golf War/Sgt. Slaughter angle? I remember people being offended by the Brian Pillman/Steve Austin gun angle. Puke. The Goldust character. Alcoholic Road Warrior Hawk. Randy Savage being abusive to Elizabeth. You know, I was pissed about the Jim Ross situation but it led to Joey Styles getting hired and I was ok with that. A car that wasn't even Eddie Guerrero's being used in that angle didn't offend me - I just thought it was stupid and ill-advised. They've done plenty of more offensive things in their history.

 

I also disagree with you that they had a better wrestling product at those times. They didn't. They had very few really good workers during the Hogan era and it was a completely different style of wrestling. They always pushed bodybuilder and big power guys over small wrestlers in the WWF. Vince would want Ted Arcidi over Eddie Gilbert or Curt Henning. Warlord and Dino Bravo had programs before Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart. The 90's WWF was centered around PPV main event stealers like HBK and Bret but much of the undercard was awful.

 

They have a much better talent roster today and the quality of most of the wrestling is fine - I'd like a faster pace and the end or restrictions on the cruiserweights too but I understand why they want guys on the road like this to pace their matches, protect themselves from the high risk stuff and tell stories in the ring. What sucks is they don't realize that the guys are doing just fine telling stories in the ring. It's the people in the back that aren't telling good stories and getting people interested in the matches. IT's the fact that Stephanie McMahon heading creative hasn't done shit to draw money or ratings and never will.

 

And people hate it. Cry they are having their intelligence insulted but years down the road, on some internet message board, they will fondly recall Al Wilson, Billy and Chuck's gay wedding, Eddie Guerrero spraying feces on Big Show and Vince McMahon making employess kiss his bare ass.

 

I don't believe that anybody with the same mindset as my own in regards to the WWF/WWE will ever remenice about any of those moments.

 

We remember them along with every other piece of Wrestlecrap from the 80's on. That's why there is an entire web site devoted to Wrestlecrap. You make fun of it. You laugh about it. You laugh when you visualize Eddie spraying Big Show now because you remember Eddie performing, not because it was good. Al Wilson and Tim White can stand proudly beside Mae Young's hand, Big Bossman's dog steak and all of the other TERRIBLE TERRIBLE ideas.

 

I've gone to baseball games, spending a ton of money on tix, food, drinks, merchandise, etc. to leave the ball park completely miserable over the outcome, swearing I'll never go see the Pittsburgh Pirates again.

 

The Pittsburgh Pirates didn't meet with their opponent prior to the game and go over exactly how they would be losing and what would happen with the entire game. I'm sure if the Pirates had the option of pre-determining their games they would make every one of their fans happy. The WWE however hasn't appeared interested in doing that for years.

 

Agreed that their fixiation seems to be on making Vince happy and entertaining themselves but that is comparable to mismanagement. But MLB may as well be predertmined because the team with money get the good players and win and The Pittsburgh Pirates lose because the structure of MLB isn't fair to small market teams and they can't compete. That particular team also have an office and management that don't make good decisions. I still watch baseball even though it's not the same as it was twenty years ago. I watch it partly because of my attachment to it when it was better and that team when they were good. I hope that it gets better and there is a good moment now and then. There is a prospect that comes up in the system that you get excited about.

 

It's the same thing with WWE. Maybe the McMahons will change their decision making process. Maybe somebody will challenge Vince McMahon to change his product, the drug testing could be the start of that, why do you think the belt went on Bret Hart during the last steroid controversy? Maybe the company will realize that the real promising prospects coming up are guys influenced more by HBK, Bret and Eddie rather than the muscleheads. So I still watch with interest, perhaps not the same amount of interest as I had seven years ago (I'm more likely to miss a Smackdown or DVR a Raw) even if I don't necessarily like most of what I see. It could change and I'll be there watching if it does. All it takes is one breakout talent or one breakout storyline or angle. A few weeks ago, when they did the Eric Bischoff Trial, I had a really good time and watched the entire episode. That show reminded me of the shows that I used to enjoy in the late 90's and people on here HATED IT.

 

I'm not saying people can't enjoy it. I'm just wondering why in the world people do still enjoy it and bother watching it. I could be doing something else but I'm actually enjoying the conversation in this thread and won't be thinking to myself later "Good god, I can't believe I bothered sitting through that." as it has sparked good conversation.

 

Agreed. Let's also not overlook the fact that you are still posting on a wrestling message board, in a WWE folder, so there is still some semblance of an interest in the subject. In your case you aren't watching it but you are still here and I think many of the people on this board fall into that category but there is also a category of people who still watch it, even passively, not with the passion of years ago and like a little bit of what they see. Then there are a group of people who still set their time aside, watch it with the same fury of yesterday, enjoy some of what they see and speak out on what they don't like. Those who may enjoy it don't hold it to the same standards that you do. My Gram watches soaps and still watches Days of Our Lives and likes it even though she's always telling me about some ridiculously dumb thing they are doing and how she's about ready to stop watching (she's been saying this for 35 years).

 

I'm interested because this is a wrestling board. This board is suppose to be for "Smart Marks" and I can't really understand anybody that's smart really finding this to be worthwhile entertainment. If this was a WWE only board then I wouldn't bother ask, but seeing as how it is a board for Smart Marks I wonder why people here still bother watch it when there is another federation on TV now that you could focus your attention on. One where actual wrestling is the focal point.

 

I do watch that other federation and I desperately try to get an attachment towards the product. However I see the same number of problems with their show as I see with WWE. I see one star taking up four segments of a one hour show, hording the championship, having women inexplicably fight over him. I see an entire group of wrestlers (most of the X Division stars minus AJ, Joe and maybe Daniels) in desperate need of mic time, character development and storylines - not to mention being treated as a sideshow attraction for the company when they should be their 'core superstars', not a seperate division, while washed up talents are recycled into main event slots. I see terribly acted backstage segments. I see wrestling full of excitment and action but with no emotional tie to any of the workers, no care for who wins or loses as they all seemingly blend in together in a sea of highspots without a storyline reason for all this action. I haven't been impressed with any of their uses of the Dudleys and Christian. I see a company that has potential to do something special and completely different but is stuck in a mess of bad office decisions and growing pains.

 

So I'm just as disinterested in both products. I'm drawn to WWE for TV and TNA for PPV's but neither are what they should be in my eyes.

[CBright7831 0]

I would watch TNA, but quite frankly, I usually forget it's on. After being force fed the WWE's style for so many years, I doubt I could get into ROH. Japanese wrestling is just to hard to come by.

[justcoz 0]

I find plenty of it idiotic. But no more idiotic than Uncle Elmer's Wedding,

 

Worth it for Piper interrupting it and Jesse's two carps in the Mississippi comment.

 

Papa Shango making Ultimate Warrior vomit with his voodoo,

 

Hilarious to me.

 

Jake Roberts' snake biting Randy Savage,

 

That was awesome!

 

Ronnie Garvin in drag,

 

Don't remember that. Thankfully.

 

Vader inviting Sting to the White Castle of Fear,

 

Not good, but the other one with Sid in flip flops and Vader threatening Sting and Davey Boy at the beach while their evil midget sidekick snuck behind them and planted a bomb on their boat was the greatest wrestling vignette of all time. All fucking time.

 

Kamala eating a chicken

 

PETA loved it.

 

and Fugi Vice.

 

Dude, Fuji Vice was hilarious. How could you not love Fuji Vice? I can still remember Muraco flubbing his lines and Fuji looking confused.

 

My point is crappy storylines, terrible gimmicks and bad booking decisions are one of the fun things about being a pro wrestling fan. Even when they were getting incredible ratings during the last boom in late 90's and providing very entertaining television we had Meat,

 

Hey, you had Meat. I never had Meat.

 

Beaver Cleavage,

 

Gone in like two weeks or something.

 

The Oddities,

 

Preliminary comedy guys. No harm.

 

Big Show's daddy's funeral,

 

Which rescued what might've been the first of these tasteless, uncomfortable, and just plain idiotic angles (Big Show's dad has cancer? He's dying? What the fuck is this crap?) and turned it into a comedy classic. Bossman interrupting the services with a megaphone and then dragging the coffin with Big Show on top of it was hysterical.

 

The Yetti, Glacier, Viagra on Pole Matches, Hummers running wrestlers over, etc. You can't watch this stuff without a sense of humor and that is apparently your problem. Not that a mock suicide, colonoscopy or necrophilia are necessarily funny but the idea that someone suggested such ideas in a meeting, thought they were good ideas and had that sentiment echoed by an enthusiastic Vince McMahon makes this shit hysterical.

 

Well, this is the big difference between all that other stuff and the current "comedy" - the only way Tim White's offscreen "suicide" is funny is because you can't believe anybody was stupid enough to think that people would want to pay money to watch this shit. WWE is dying-WCW funny now, as in not funny onscreen, but hilarious backstage.

 

And people hate it. Cry they are having their intelligence insulted but years down the road, on some internet message board, they will fondly recall Al Wilson, Billy and Chuck's gay wedding, Eddie Guerrero spraying feces on Big Show and Vince McMahon making employess kiss his bare ass.

 

Hmmmm. I dunno, I already can't remember any of the Al Wilson shit, other than I think he died as well.

 

 

Edit - I don't think the quote button likes me.

 

 

Nope, it doesn't.

 

 

I enjoyed a lot of that stuff too and appreciate them more in retrospect than I did when they aired. Let's face it, plenty of those scenarios were stupid, had nothing to do with making money, get somebody over or draw heat, didn't increase PPV buys or gates and were just the people behind the scenes getting their jollies and getting bad ideas on TV.

 

The Tim White suicide could have been entertaining with more creativity. The announcers could have speculated if we just witnessed the first ever suicide on a WWE PPV only to have Tim White show up during HIC with his shotgun to a pop from the hometown crowd and a police escort out of the building during the match. But creative were instead lazy and it was just another bad ridiculous idea that served no purpose.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Billy & Chuck's wedding can't be Wrestlecrap because Eric Bischoff was too good.

[Adam 0]

I didn't see Armageddon, haven't ordered a PPV since One Night Stand. I might order the Rumble considering I love it and its reeeeeeeally hard to fuck it up in every way.

 

I've stopped watching the weekly shows, a) because I don't have time and b) because I really don't care. I watch TNA and now I've started to watch a lot of UFC. Both entertain me infinately more than Vince can.

[CBright7831 0]

Kamala ate a chicken?

 

A live chicken?

 

On air?

[iggymcfly 0]

All right, first off Billy and Chuck's wedding was great. It's more along the lines of "a good storyline that makes me happy to be a wrestling fan" than a bad storyline that makes me embarrassed too.

 

With that out of the way, I pretty much have stopped watching wrestling. I haven't sat through more than 15 minutes of a Raw or Smackdown since Summerslam, and usually I just forget about them altogether.

 

From 1998 through the early part of 2005, I was a pretty solid fan. I took brief haituses here and there, but I always came back to the product. But now? There's just nothing that entertains me.

 

Smackdown's got so many B-level comedy skits and matches, so little star power, and so little decent writing that it's just unwatchable. Even if I'm stuck watching TV on a Friday night, I'm probably not going to watch it.

 

And on Raw, the flagship show, there hasn't been an interesting storyline or character since Summerslam. Angle and Cena were feuding over nothing, and during the feud, pretty much nothing happened. It was kind of like EWR where you just plug in random cliche angles, but none of them actually lead to anything.

 

When your top face is getting booed, but you can't take the belt off of him because he's the only real main event level face on the whole roster, well then you know you have a problem. At least when HHH held the belt forever, he was remotely interesting. John Cena's a walking embarrassment. I think anyone over the age of 14 that enjoys him is somewhat mentally retarded.

Edited December 20, 2005 by iggymcfly

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mmm, maybe they don't really ?!?

 

I sent some feedback...think they want smarkish feedback or markish feedback?

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That doesn't make up for the fact that he's up there with the best of the worst in terms of horrible gimmicks.

 

-Friar Ferguson

-Bastien Booger

-Trucker Norm

-Norman the Lunitic

 

But yes, he was a solid worker, especially pre-WWF (Stampede).

 

Hey I digged Norman the Lunitic. I loved how after a match to calm him down they would show him the keys. And I think they used a teddy bear to.