Guest Dam(o)nYankees Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Uh, yeah. Ever heard of Chris Benoit? Brian Kendrick? Paul London? Super Crazy? Fucking Nova? Credibility: demolished. Elaborate please? I'm pretty sure he was referencing you calling Nova among the best on Smackdown. Actually it was me bolding Nova's name to begin with, and if you've seen the stuff that this man could do in ECW you would also understand why. I've seen him in ECW and rank him top five most overrated of all time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DuDe Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Haha, mind listing the other four? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericho2000Mark 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Flair, HBK, JBL and Triple H(seriously, he's never been an above average worker and he's only had a good match if it's gimmicked or against a good worker)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dam(o)nYankees Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Haha, mind listing the other four? What Haha? I'm not the one that justn put him on the same line as Chris Benoit and better than Rey Mysterio. He's fun, he can be good. He's not great. As for the other four, Chavo is certainly in the conversation. And make no mistake, I think Chavo is good. But somewhere along the way, Chavo, through association with Eddie, has become on Eddie's level. For fuck's sake, there are some people actually claiming that he should get a world title push. Val Venis. Another guy that's pretty good. The world, however, is not a worse place because he's buried. This isn't Shelton Benjamin getting buried. Its a decent mid level worker that could be doing better. Scott Hall. When he was on, he was on. But when he was off, unmotivtated, drunk stoned or whatever, he had some of the most boring piece of shit matches ever. The end of his WCW run was miserable. Diamond Dallas Page. I just never understood the whole DDP thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Scott Hall. When he was on, he was on. But when he was off, unmotivtated, drunk stoned or whatever, he had some of the most boring piece of shit matches ever. The end of his WCW run was miserable When he was carried by better workers, he was on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SickMoveFiend Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Blah, another Triple H main evented Wrestlemania will make me vommit let alone being able to bare ordering it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Scott Hall. When he was on, he was on. But when he was off, unmotivtated, drunk stoned or whatever, he had some of the most boring piece of shit matches ever. The end of his WCW run was miserable When he was carried by better workers, he was on. One of my favorite Scott Hall jokes is how Shawn Michaels had a match of the year with a ladder while Scott Hall was in the ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
randomguy 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Chavo is not really good at all. I almost feel bad saying it but I don't. He's strictly average at best. Doesn't look too good in the ring, not much charisma, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Haha, mind listing the other four? Scott Hall. When he was on, he was on. But when he was off, unmotivtated, drunk stoned or whatever, he had some of the most boring piece of shit matches ever. The end of his WCW run was miserable. And I'll take a drunk, stoned Scott Hall match any day over Nash's lazy ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Maybe it's just me, but putting the belt on a guy who's main crowd reaction is chanting his deceased best friend's name doesn't seem like a good option. Yes, It's just you. Enough with the Eddie stuff. They need to distance themselves from that endless connection ASAP and realise "Eddie" chants aren't good for Rey, or Chavo for that matter. The fact people are chanting "Eddie" at Rey and Chavo pretty much says they'd rather see Eddie than them. Nonsense, It's not as if the fans have not stopped chanting Rey by his name, you know the Eddie chants are out of respect. They even gave the chants to Benoit when he started using Eddies 3 amigos suplexes, the only reason Chavo gets them is because of the relation, and it's gotten him quite over infact. It's not a good thing. Sure, if Benoit does a patented Eddie spot, you'd expect it. The crowd should be chanting Rey's name when it's Rey doing something. People don't do it endlessly to Benoit and they don't do endlessly it to Batista, yet they do it to Rey and Chavo. When Rey is one elimination away from winning a battle royal for the World Title (or, well, two) and the crowd are chanting for Eddie, what does that say? Are the crowd hoping Eddie's gonna run out and help Rey? Why wouldn't they chant Rey to support Rey? Would they chant "Eddie" if Benoit were in that position? The fact they weren't is a little worrying from my end. As for Chavo, once the Eddie thing dies down, he's going to end up right back where he was as Kerwin White, because people don't actually care about him and the WWE are happy to just ride on momentum instead of building on it. I'm not saying Rey absolutely shouldn't be Champion, but if they want Rey to be Champ, they need get the fans to focus on Rey and not someone who's passed away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 the "Eddie" chant is inspiration for Rey to overcome the odds as Eddie, a guy who always had to overcome odds himself, was his best friend...now Chavo, yeah they chant it just because...it's different for Rey... or, as Curry's pinted out before, it could just be because the crowds suck and are doing it just to hear themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DuDe Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Haha, mind listing the other four? What Haha? I'm not the one that justn put him on the same line as Chris Benoit and better than Rey Mysterio. He's fun, he can be good. He's not great. Don't be so touchy dude, it was a friendly "haha" rather than a cynical "haha". Anyway, you have your opinion, I have mine, and it says that there are quite a few wrestlers on SD that deserve the belt more than Rey-Rey. Edit : I like Venis a lot and I think he shouldn't be buried, was never a big fan of DDP, Chavo has always been the least talented Guerrero in my opinion, and the last match I've seen from Hall was way back at 97'. Edit 2 : that's actually aimed at a different poster, but how is Trips overrated? I don't recall anyone saying that he's an amazing in ring specialict, but you can't deny that he's charismatic and cuts some of the best promos in the business, and that's just as important as being able to hit spots or take bumps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyperchord24 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Wouldnt it make sense if the events of the past week happened exactly the same way, except Angle and Edge switched places? Edge is a 2nd rate champ, so he goes to their 2nd rate show, Angle finally beats Cena. B/c as it stands, Angle still looks like Cenas bitch, and thats what the fans were crapping all over to begin with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Haha, mind listing the other four? What Haha? I'm not the one that justn put him on the same line as Chris Benoit and better than Rey Mysterio. He's fun, he can be good. He's not great. Don't be so touchy dude, it was a friendly "haha" rather than a cynical "haha". Anyway, you have your opinion, I have mine, and it says that there are at least a few wrestlers on SD that deserve the belt more than Rey-Rey. ummmm like who? are you referring to your list that had London, Kendrick and Nova on it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DuDe Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Well shit, I totally forogt that if it doesn't go in line with your opinion then it's probably stupid, right? Kendrick and London are both awesome wrestlers and deserve to be pushed way more than Mysterio, and I already said why I like Nova. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 No, your opinions aren't stupid because people disagree. But it'd be a bad business decision to push London, Kendrick or Nova to the main event. None of them have done enough to warrant a US title run let alone a run with a world title. Two are relative unknowns, and the third is pretty much considered a glorified jobber. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyperchord24 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Well shit, I totally forogt that if it doesn't go in line with your opinion then it's probably stupid, right? Kendrick and London are both awesome wrestlers and deserve to be pushed way more than Mysterio, and I already said why I like Nova. VKM doesn't make a wrestling show Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Well shit, I totally forogt that if it doesn't go in line with your opinion then it's probably stupid, right? Kendrick and London are both awesome wrestlers and deserve to be pushed way more than Mysterio, and I already said why I like Nova. trust me man, I'm not that kinda guy...I HATE that kind of guy...I respect your opinion and agree that those 3 are good workers, but it takes more than good work to sport Big Goldie and those 3 certainly don't have it. niskie pretty much nailed it right on the head, I can't really add anything more to that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 I don't get the idea that Rey Mysterio should be pushed to the WHC level when he's never even been a secondary champion in the WWE. Why aren't people clamoring to see the WWE give him a run with the US Title and see if people still want to see him wrestle the same match before pushing him from basically nowhere to the top of the company, at least on the SD side of things? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Batista never got a secondary title (US/IC)...pushed outta nowhere...actually, can we even say Rey (or Batista for the matter) has been pushed outta nowhere? Rey's been hugely over forever, his overness has just gotten larger and larger and larger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 how is Trips overrated? I don't recall anyone saying that he's an amazing in ring specialict, but you can't deny that he's charismatic and cuts some of the best promos in the business The hell we can't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Batista never got a secondary title (US/IC)...pushed outta nowhere...actually, can we even say Rey (or Batista for the matter) has been pushed outta nowhere? Rey's been hugely over forever, his overness has just gotten larger and larger and larger. Batista was in Evolution, and only got pushed to the top because Orton bombed. If Randy was even competent I don't think Dave ends up winning a singles title until probably this year. What has Rey done since beating Eddie 104 times last year to warrant a push to the World title? By your logic RVD could be champ as soon as he comes back, and if that happened I'm sure a lot of people would complain that he didn't earn the push/title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 ?? RVD has held numerous secondary titles, though! you're killing your own arguement! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 ?? RVD has held numerous secondary titles, though! you're killing your own arguement! I was referring to your assessment that someone who is over can't be pushed out of nowhere, unless I read that wrong. Neither Rey nor RVD is in title contention for different reasons, and as such putting the belt on them without some build would be senseless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carnival 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 well.....wrestlemania is like 2 1/2 months away.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 ?? RVD has held numerous secondary titles, though! you're killing your own arguement! I was referring to your assessment that someone who is over can't be pushed out of nowhere, unless I read that wrong. Neither Rey nor RVD is in title contention for different reasons, and as such putting the belt on them without some build would be senseless. welllll that's why they would have to build, for example: Rey wins the Rumble, gets punked out by Angle, dedicates it to the fans, Batista and Eddie, etc. etc. Maybe I'm not seeing where you're coming from here...do you mean like, just all of a sudden give them the world title, like Kevin Nash in 94? RVD has been out for over a year, he'd have to work his way back up...I doubt, however, that the fans would shit all over Rey being the champ if he all of a sudden won it next week on Smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 ?? RVD has held numerous secondary titles, though! you're killing your own arguement! I was referring to your assessment that someone who is over can't be pushed out of nowhere, unless I read that wrong. Neither Rey nor RVD is in title contention for different reasons, and as such putting the belt on them without some build would be senseless. welllll that's why they would have to build, for example: Rey wins the Rumble, gets punked out by Angle, dedicates it to the fans, Batista and Eddie, etc. etc. Maybe I'm not seeing where you're coming from here...do you mean like, just all of a sudden give them the world title, like Kevin Nash in 94? RVD has been out for over a year, he'd have to work his way back up...I doubt, however, that the fans would shit all over Rey being the champ if he all of a sudden won it next week on Smackdown. What I'm getting at is, why not give Rey a trial run with the US Title to see IF fans will take to him routinely beating the top guys on SD before doing something like giving him the Rumble/'Mania double with no guarantee that it'll pan out the way they hope. Yes, some people would love to see Rey defy the odds, but then again if you do that too frequently or push the guy too hard it could backfire just like it did to Cena. I for one would see a big issue with Rey going from dicking around in the tag ranks against MNM to suddenly winning the Rumble and the WHC at WM. Granted I'm not a fan of his, but wouldn't it have seemed somewhat sudden had he been booked to win the title last week considering he has never really been a contender? This really only applies to guys looking to win their 1st title since former champs can basically go from doing whatever straight to a title push. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carnival 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Thats kinda what they've been doing, Rey beating Eddie and JBL...I'm sure there are others. By no means has Rey been "dicking around in the Tag Division", just because he won the titles with Batista. Rey should have been a secondary singles champion(US/IC) years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Thats kinda what they've been doing, Rey beating Eddie and JBL...I'm sure there are others. By no means has Rey been "dicking around in the Tag Division", just because he won the titles with Batista. Rey should have been a secondary singles champion(US/IC) years ago. Ever since Taboo Tuesday he's been in tag team/brand feuds first with the RAW guys, then Show/Kane, and lastly with MNM. It's been about 3 months since he had any kind of prominent role as a singles wrestler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carnival 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Batista Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
