Most underrated and overrated pppvs

[Guest Hadley]

WHich pppvs do you think are underrated and overrated. My underrated list is:

Superbrawl 2 (its more than just liger/pillman)

Survivor Series 95

Summerslam 93, 95 (save for mabel/diesel)

Royal Rumble 94 (ignore the UT crap)

Wrestlemania 5, 7

Fall Brawl 2000

Starcade 95

 

Overrated has to go to spring stampede 99. While its a GREAT show, i think people are only seeing raven/saturn vs malenko/benoit and juvi/blitzkrieg, and forgetting the stuff like riggs/whipwreck (i liked the match, but it had no place on ppv), disco/konnan, nash/goldberg, heck, even steiner/booker wasnt THAT great. At least WMX7's bad stuff was kept short.

[Jericho2000Mark 0]

Agreed on Mania 7, not only was Savage-Warrior excellent, but Roberts-Martel and Hogan-Slaughter were surprisingly enjoyable as well.

 

I would also add Judgment Day '98, which had a great Mero-Snow match, Taka-Christian and a surprisingly good Venis-Goldust match.

 

Most overrated... No Mercy '99. The tag team ladder match doesn't hold up well today(as HTQ mentioned in another thread), Triple H-Austin was a boring brawl that exposed Triple H(they were smart to book him in mostly gimmick matches after that), Venis-Foley was good, but not as great as people seem to make it out to be and the rest of the card was crap(Godfather-Mideon, Moolah-Ivory, Rock-Bulldog, etc...).

[humanoid92 0]

I find tons of stuff from the WWF from the 93-94 era to be underrated.

 

Summerslam 93 has good matches left and right. Razor/DiBiase was pretty good, Steiners/Bodies was awesome, Shawn/Perfect was good (even though it was a disappointment), and the 6 man tag was solid. The Bret/Lawler stuff was amazing. And even the main event, while a regrettable idea, wasn't terrible.

 

I've always thought the '95 Rumble was underrated too, probably because of the abbreviated Rumble match. But even so, the Shawn/Bulldog start to finish storyline was cool and the undercard is tremendous. Bret/Diesel and Jarrett/Razor were excellent and the tag match was way better than it sounds on paper.

 

KOTR 93 and KOTR 94 are both incredible too, despite the stupid Piper vs. Lawler match.

 

A lot of the stuff from the WWF in 1998 and some of 1999 is overrated. "Shock TV" and "Attitude" may have been a successful strategy and a perfect format for Raw, but a lot of the PPVs don't age very well. I agree with what was said about the HHH/Austin brawl from No Mercy but that's far from the only match from that era that's guilty of mindless brawling. For the better part of 2 years it seemed like most PPV Main Events followed the same tired formula. Token brawl on the floor, then a convoluted clothesline over the barrier so they can brawl through the crowd for 5-10 minutes, back down the aisle towards ringside, 5 minutes in the ring, back to the floor so they can break the Spanish announcers table and back in the ring for the finish, which usually involved a bunch of outside interference. Just awful. Not to mention the fact that finishers and outside interference became the ONLY ways for a match to end. There was never any suspense for any other near falls. And to top it off, for most of '98 the undercard sucked and was never given any sort of time. A lot of those shows age terribly.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I thought When Worlds Collide was an ok show, but not Best Show Ever or even in my top 20. But then again, I fucking hate a lot of elements of Lucha Libre.

 

WM X had 2 good matches, but I wouldn't call either of them excellent and two "very good" matches don't make up for a shitty, shitty card, let alone make it one so widely praised.

 

Barely Legals best match was from guys that were from another promotion. The rest of it was either crappy or good in a lowered-standards/amateurish kinda way, which doesn't really say much for it - or says it all.

 

Hostile City Showdown 95 is another show that tends to get lost in the ECW mid 90s "revolutionary" hooplah and 85-90% of it is shit. Malenko/Guerrero was pretty much the only good match on it, though Dreamer/Raven wasn't half-bad. I guess this wasn't a PPV, technically..

 

Let's round it out and make it a top five...

 

Hmm.

 

I have Dreamslam I and II on tape and have for a few years now and haven't gotten to II yet because I was so underwhelmed and I was so disappointed. I won't bash it like I did the other cards, but in terms of being disappointed by something, this would probably rank up there with WWC. This was pimped as an all-timer and I was like "hey, cool, a Northern Lights Superplex" and that was about it. Again, not a PPV.

[MikeJordan23 0]

WHich pppvs do you think are underrated and overrated. My underrated list is:

Superbrawl 2 (its more than just liger/pillman)

Survivor Series 95

Summerslam 93, 95 (save for mabel/diesel)

Royal Rumble 94 (ignore the UT crap)

Wrestlemania 5, 7

Fall Brawl 2000

Starcade 95

 

Overrated has to go to spring stampede 99. While its a GREAT show, i think people are only seeing raven/saturn vs malenko/benoit and juvi/blitzkrieg, and forgetting the stuff like riggs/whipwreck (i liked the match, but it had no place on ppv), disco/konnan, nash/goldberg, heck, even steiner/booker wasnt THAT great. At least WMX7's bad stuff was kept short.

 

Agree with your underrated minus SS 95

 

and disagree with your overrated. Best PPV of 1999

[Just John 0]

WCW had some very underrated ppvs.

 

Starrcade 95

Fall Brawl 96

Slamboree 97

 

Not saying most people thought those shows were bad, but they just hardly get noticed. To be fair, Starrcade 95 is one of those that most universially agree is underrated. Ohtani/Guerrero is quality--Probably **** or so. Benoit/Liger and Wright/Kanemoto are both in the *** range as well. The commentary is brilliant the whole way through (it was Dusty's first ppv). Tony actually came across as very knowledgeable and interracted well with the other two. Brain was weaseling it up. Dusty was just himself... Going off on rants about Ohtani/Martini confusion, playing possum, and Heenan being a snake in the grass.

 

As for the other two, most people probably couldn't name a single match on the card, but both shows are excellent.

 

Fall Brawl was probably the high point for the NWO in 96, as they were just perfect as the cool heels. The whole Sting storyline was well done and unfolded nicely in an underrated Wargames match. Also on this card, there was a **** Mysterio/Super Calo match, plus ***(+) matches including DDP/Chavo, Konnan/Juvi, Benoit/Jericho, and Wargames. Only the Harlem Heat vs. Nasty Boys match drops below ** in a very enjoybale show.

 

Slamboree really doesn't get noticed because of the lack of any major angle happening on the show. However, Ultimo/Regal was a **** affair. ***(+) matches include Mysterio/Yasuraoka, Malenko/Jarrett, a fabulous carry job by Benoit with Meng (one of Meng's best matches for sure with an awesome finish), and very fun ME that saw Flair, Piper, and Kevin Greene take on Hall, Nash, and Syxx. This was Flair's first match back from injury, and the crowd was super hot for it. WCW also got a decisive victory, which was rare and refreshing at the time.

[Betty Houle 0]

To be fair, Starrcade 95 is one of those that most universially agree is underrated.

 

I found this sentence to be pretty funny.

 

Anyway...

Overrated:

Wrestlemania X

 

Underrated:

Fall Brawl 95 (the War Games is AWFUL though)

[Just John 0]

Well, it's kinda true... It's just one of those answers that pops up on most people's "underrated" lists whenever they go around. I don't know if that takes away it's underrated status or not.

[... 0]

Agreed on WM X, although it tends to fall into the mold of the majority of Wrestlemanias with two-three memorable matches and a whole load of no one cares. Tripping on that, there is quite bit of fast-forward material in Wrestlemanias 14 and X7.

 

I don't think we hear enough LUV for Summerslam 2000. Royal Rumble 2001 really only has one or two low points too.

 

I know I stand alone on this, but I liked WM 2000.

[Vampiro69 0]

A show that is often forgotten about is Backlash 2000. Has a very good Rock vs HHH match, has a plastered Debra doing ring intros for the opening match and one of the best Light Heavweight matches the WWE ever had with Malenko vs Scotty 2 Hotty, where Malenko kills him with a top robe DDT move.

 

Also I really enjoyed Spring Stampede 99 as others have mentioned. Juvi v Blitzkrieg is one of my favorite matches plus the shock of DDP winning the big one is great. I believe that this is the last great PPV WCW made.

[TheInsane 0]

WrestleMania X was a huge disapointment. I didnt see it until probably 10 years later. I started to watch WWF in 1993 but then Swedish tv switched to WCW in 1994 before they stopped airing wrestling in 1996. So I missed it back then and never got around watching it after either until a few years ago. MAJOR disapointment. Basically I remember Bret vs Owen and HBK vs Razor. Both good matchen but they are also so overrated it isnt even funny. People call them both ***** frequently. I dont think any of them are. Good matches? Yes, totally. Five star matchen? No, far from.

[slabinskia 0]

Underrated

 

Spring Stampede 94

I never hear anyone talk about this ppv.Nastys/Cactus,Max was awesome.Flair/Steamboat was good and sting/rude,dustin/buck and vader/bossman were good matches.

 

Beach Blast 92

Sting/Cactus,Steamboat/Rude,Steiners/MVC were all great.

 

Superbrawl 3

Benoit/Scorpio,Rock n roll/Heavenly Bodies and an awesome sting/vader main event.

 

Overrated

 

WM10

It's already been said but other than the 2 matches we remember,there is some terrible stuff on this card.

 

Great American Bash 89

This is a great ppv but it's not THAT great.

[snuffbox 0]

GAB '96 is pretty underrated.

[TheInsane 0]

Underrated

 

Spring Stampede 94

I never hear anyone talk about this ppv.Nastys/Cactus,Max was awesome.Flair/Steamboat was good and sting/rude,dustin/buck and vader/bossman were good matches.

 

This is my favorite PPV of all time. First off the stuff still hold up good today. And second it was a huge thing for me back in the day. It was the first time I saw really brutal wrestling. It was the first WCW PPV I ever saw. It opened my eyes that there is alot of great stuff going on outside of WWF.

[Guest J0bber]

GAB '96 is pretty underrated.

 

Seconded.

[snuffbox 0]

Did I really read that someone thinks GAB '89 is overrated? The fuck? That show was easilly one of the 5 best ever.

 

I agree about Spring Stampede '94 being underrated...and Slamboree that year was pretty good as well.

[Guest Hass of Pain]

Overrated: Every ECW pay-per-view ever. God those are brutal to try and watch these days.

[King Kamala 0]

I agree with whoever said Summerslam 93. Besides the squash matches (Which are too short to be considered really terrible) and The Giant Gonzalez/Undertaker match, the whole pay per view was rock solid. Even Lex Luger/Yokozuna was 10x better than it had any right to be.

 

A pay per view I never find talked about that I really enjoyed was SuperBrawl VIII. The undercard is tough to beat (Booker T/Rick Martel, Chris Jericho/Juvy, DDP/Benoit) and the main event serves its purpose. I think SuperBrawl VIII is the show Starcade 97 should have been.

 

I also think World War III 97 is pretty underrated, sure the battle royal sucked as always but the undercard was pretty damn good in my opinion.

[snuffbox 0]

A pay per view I never find talked about that I really enjoyed was SuperBrawl VIII. The undercard is tough to beat (Booker T/Rick Martel, Chris Jericho/Juvy, DDP/Benoit) and the main event serves its purpose. I think SuperBrawl VIII is the show Starcade 97 should have been.

 

Good call.

[Ravenbomb 0]

I'd forgotten how much I liked Spring Stampede '99 before reading this. I remembered Raven/Saturn vs. Benoit/Malenko, but I forgot all about Juvi/Blitzkrieg and the very decent main event. Hope my VHS copy's held up so I can copy it to a DVD

[cabbageboy 0]

How could GAB 96 be underrated? In The Death of WCW book they even mentioned some people say it's the best PPV of all time.

 

1989 GAB is a really fun show but I can't say it's the best ever really. Maybe it's due to the DQ in the US title match or the fact that essentially none of the feuds were really blown off (Muta/Sting or Flair/Funk).

 

Call me crazy but I kinda liked Starrcade 92 recently on the 24/7. It's supposed to be a crappy show but a lot of the Lethal Lottery tag matches are fun, Sting/Vader is killer, and the tag title match (Pillman/Windham vs. Steamboat/Douglas) is excellent.

 

And I'll get shit for this, but I kinda like Halloween Havoc 91. There's a bit too many squashes on it, but the Luger/Simmons main event is underrated, and I like some other stuff like the Austin/Rhodes match and Taylor/Eaton. The show gets a hugely bad rap due to the Chamber of Horrors match, but I even kinda like that one for a laugh.

[snuffbox 0]

I havent read the Death o' WCW book and rarely see it mentioned online (and hardly ever amongst my wrestling fan aquaintences)...thus, underrated, imo.

[Just John 0]

How could GAB 96 be underrated? In The Death of WCW book they even mentioned some people say it's the best PPV of all time.

 

If that's the case, then it's definitely one of the most overrated shows ever. It was solid, but it wasn't even the best WCW ppv that year, let alone the best ppv ever.

[Shooting Star 0]

Halloween Havoc 99 was pretty good...and I don't hear anyone pracing it.

[Guest stylz]

I've got MAD love for Halloween Havoc 89.

 

J

[Guest Dumb Monkey]

WrestleMania X was a huge disapointment. I didnt see it until probably 10 years later. I started to watch WWF in 1993 but then Swedish tv switched to WCW in 1994 before they stopped airing wrestling in 1996. So I missed it back then and never got around watching it after either until a few years ago. MAJOR disapointment. Basically I remember Bret vs Owen and HBK vs Razor. Both good matchen but they are also so overrated it isnt even funny. People call them both ***** frequently. I dont think any of them are. Good matches? Yes, totally. Five star matchen? No, far from.

 

 

Agreed. While I will usually defend Bret/Owen since it was a pretty good match, the overrated Ladder Match kills it. I'm sorry, but that ladder match just doesn't hold up at all today. Easily one of the most overrated matches in WWF history.

 

 

Someone mentioned Fall Brawl '95, but I disagree. Pillman/Badd and Flair/Anderson were both very good-great, but look at the rest of the show:

 

1. Craig Pittman vs. Cobra (?): 90 second squash

2. Renegade vs. DDP: Awful

3. Bunkhouse Buck/Dick Slater vs. Harlem Heat: Also Awful

4. War Games: Worst ever, other than 1998.

[TheInsane 0]

WrestleMania X was a huge disapointment. I didnt see it until probably 10 years later. I started to watch WWF in 1993 but then Swedish tv switched to WCW in 1994 before they stopped airing wrestling in 1996. So I missed it back then and never got around watching it after either until a few years ago. MAJOR disapointment. Basically I remember Bret vs Owen and HBK vs Razor. Both good matchen but they are also so overrated it isnt even funny. People call them both ***** frequently. I dont think any of them are. Good matches? Yes, totally. Five star matchen? No, far from.

 

 

Agreed. While I will usually defend Bret/Owen since it was a pretty good match, the overrated Ladder Match kills it. I'm sorry, but that ladder match just doesn't hold up at all today. Easily one of the most overrated matches in WWF history.

 

Maybe Im out of line here since this regards PPV's but maybe the most overrated matches I have seen is Owen vs Bret but a few months later from SummerSlam in the cage. Its basically, one move, climb, one move, climb, one move, climb etc. I just hated that match and people frequently award that **** and more.

 

I think Tabbo Tuesday 2004 is a bit underrated. I did enjoy Jericho vs Benjamin, Flair vs Orton and HHH vs HBK. Not a great PPV but I feel it should be looked upon more positive than it has been in the past.

[Guest Dumb Monkey]

Owen/Bret's cage match is one of those "you have to look beyond the surface" for why it's really good. It's basically two siblings beating the shit out of each other, and Owen, the more desperate of the two, doing everything he can to win the belt, which includes running like a girl half the time for the door whenever he sees an opening. Star ratings are always controversial and highly inaccurate most of the times, so it's understandable to question ratings.

[TheInsane 0]

Owen/Bret's cage match is one of those "you have to look beyond the surface" for why it's really good. It's basically two siblings beating the shit out of each other, and Owen, the more desperate of the two, doing everything he can to win the belt, which includes running like a girl half the time for the door whenever he sees an opening. Star ratings are always controversial and highly inaccurate most of the times, so it's understandable to question ratings.

 

Well, it didnt reach out to me anyway thats for sure.

[PLAGIARISM! 0]

I struggle to watch most ECW stuff these days too, but I think Heatwave 98 is one of the better ones where all the daftness was watchable and fun and didn't screw up the flow.