alfdogg 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 Mehmet Okur has similar numbers to Yao, and has stayed healthy all season to boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobobrazil1984 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure that Yao Ming leads all votes in paper ballots (paper ballots I think are US only, or possibly North American only, but they definetly don't have them in China, in fact i think Shaq led online voting)... so if you lifted the china votes out he still starts, so why does everyone get on the Asia's case for it? Yao's a big name, regardless of his numbers (which dont suck, people act like he's kwame or darko). Every year there are players who aren't having great seasons who start because of popularity. Yao is no different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 I remember in 1990, AC Green was voted to start in the All Star game at PF over Karl Malone and AC Green had no business in the All Star game, period. Karl's response was scoring 61 points in just 30 minutes of play against Milwaukee. Yikes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 In other news, the Knicks aquire Jalen Rose and 1st Round pick for Antonio Davis... http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2317958 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 Would it really surprise you to see the Knicks take back a fat contract for a wounded duck of a player for no apparent reason? I hate being right sometimes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 In other news, the Knicks aquire Jalen Rose and 1st Round pick for Antonio Davis... http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2317958 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 Why do you think taking back Rose who's making $13+ million per for the rest of '06 and another year is a good deal? Davis would have come off of the books at the end of this season and cleared about $10-12 million from their cap number. All we end up getting back is even more distance between us and the cap, and a pick that won't really help the team. I fail to see how this did anything good for the Knicks. It seems like Mr. Thomas just likes to trade for the sake of making trades. You can't build a winning team around midlevel draft picks who don't play and 30+ yo $10+ million/yr players who can't play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 How many combo guards/swingmen can the Knicks need? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 This trade puts David Lee on the court more (thats a plus) and gives them offense out of the SF position, something that they have been missing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 3, 2006 Why would Toronto trade their 1st round pick to someone in the division? Both of these teams are fucking retarded for totally different reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 The Knicks are so far over the cap, $10-12 million off this year isn't going to help any. Jalen for Antonio is a wash. Why Toronto parted with a 1st rounder is puzzling. The report doesn't specify if the 1st round pick is this year or later. If it's this year, the Knicks win because it'll be a lottery pick for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 Oh yeah, I forgot to add that the first rounder will be good seeing as the Knicks don't have any picks for like, what, 50 years now. I don't see how anyone sees this as a bad trade for the knicks. Toronto giving up a first rounder for Davis(cap space) is ridiculous. Its not like they are going to be signing free agents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 Basically they paid $13-15 million (Rose's salary for next year) for a 1st round draft pick. Is there anyone in the draft this year or next worth that much? The idea that because the Knicks are so far over the cap that it shouldn't matter that they keep digging the hole deeper is precisely why this team will be a league laughingstock for another decade at least. Layden was a fucking moron, but Isaiah isn't much better. The fans who shell out exhorbitant amounts of money to go see the Knicks play are really the ones who need their heads checked though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 The Raptors should be contracted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 Last I checked, the Knicks were close to $100 million over the cap. The next closest to the Knicks was the Mavs at over $60 million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 Last I checked, the Knicks were close to $100 million over the cap. The next closest to the Knicks was the Mavs at over $60 million. I get that. But the Knicks then seem to decide "well, since we're $100 million over, let's make it $115". Then "well, we're $115 over so let's make it $130". $130 to $140 etc etc. Instead of trying to whittle away at the cap, they keep bringing back shitty, shot players for huge money and end up eating extra years too. If they'd traded someone with extra years for an expiring contract it wouldn't bug me, but adding another deadweight player AND $15 million for a draft pick on a team that already has Ariza, Lee, Robinson & Frye stifled on the bench doesn't really make me think that it's worth it. Draft picks don't help a team unless they play and you can only bench so many 8 figure a year players at one time before the fans say "fuck it, I quit". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 What's the purpose of a salary cap if you're obscenely over it? I'm serious. I have no grasp of NBA economics. It seems like their cap is circumvented so much that it might as well not even be there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 The idea was that you were able to go over the cap to keep players in the same cities. However, as salaries kept going up and up and career backups/scrubs like Jerome James started getting $5-6 million per those guys ended up getting traded. Since Knicks management is stupid they would trade a guy who makes $5 million with 1 or 2 years left for a guy who makes $5 million with 4 years left. So in 2 years, the other team has cleared that money while the Knicks are right back in the same boat as they have a guy getting $5 million with 2 yrs left on his deal. Then rinse and repeat. Once the Knicks developed the reputation for having the dumbest GM (Layden) in the biz, they got fleeced over and over again. Layden didn't help his cause by giving a one legged jump shooter $100+ million over 6 or 7 years which he was allowed to do because Houston was Knicks property. As of now the Knicks are one of the only suppliers since they have so many shitty contracts on board, so every other team looking to get rid of some dead weight, or looking to take on a $10 million player with one year left have to go to/through the Knicks. Sadly even with supply and demand being what it is, the Knicks keep taking three steps backwards for every step forward. I guess $150 million sure doesn't buy what it used to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 3, 2006 This team won't make the 2nd round of the playoffs for at least 6 more years, and you can quote me on it if I wind up being wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2006 Just saw these nuggets in an article on CBS Sportsline. * Rose is due $17 million next year. * The first-round draft pick New York would receive will be a 2006 choice originally belonging to the Denver Nuggets. The Nuggets are currently the # 3 seed in the Western Conference so that pick will likely be around the 20's. Yeah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 3, 2006 Ok. Toronto did the right thing, now it's ok. The Knicks are still stupid as hell, there's not much more that can be said about that. I thought the problem there was with size, and they go and trade it away? Another point forward isn't exactly what I would be looking for, regardless of contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2006 What? I don't understand how it's a bad trade for the Knicks. 1) The Knicks get a SF, something they desperately need. We don't need anymore PFs. We have Taylor, Frye and Lee, and we have Curry, James, and Butler at center. We don't need anymore size. 2) Rose's contract is only one year longer. Whether that money expires this year or the next, it doesn't make a difference, as the Knicks will still be way over the cap when it happens. 3) The year Rose's contract expires, is also the year before the summer of free agents such as Dirk, Bibby, and Pierce going out on the market. This will have more teams scrambling for expiring deals, than they have this year. 4) We get a 1st round pick, and Isiah is a good drafter. If any teams wishes to save money, he can package the 2 1st rounders for a higher choice, so it gives us flexibility. I don't understand how it's a bad trade really. It's not like OMG INCREDIBLE TRADE, but it's not bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2006 $17 million and a 33 yo player Larry Brown hates for a 20-25 overall draft pick. I don't think it gets much worse than that honestly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2006 $17 million isn't added to the cap, it's just staying for a year longer, like it matters. It actually buys us time to do something with that money, if teams are desperate to trade away players so they have a chance at a Dirk Nowitzki or a Mike Bibby. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2006 Double Post. Now the Knicks might be in position to draft Hassan Adams, who I like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 4, 2006 1) The Knicks get a SF, something they desperately need. We don't need anymore PFs. We have Taylor, Frye and Lee, and we have Curry, James, and Butler at center. We don't need anymore size. Frye, Lee and Taylor do not play like PF's, but I'll still give you sorry ass Mo as a PF. 2) Rose's contract is only one year longer. Whether that money expires this year or the next, it doesn't make a difference, as the Knicks will still be way over the cap when it happens. The direction of the team is more of what I'm worried about. They're just making it so that their younger guys get less playing time, and it shows that they haven't learned shit from Layden's bad contracts. 3) The year Rose's contract expires, is also the year before the summer of free agents such as Dirk, Bibby, and Pierce going out on the market. This will have more teams scrambling for expiring deals, than they have this year. I don't think the Knicks have to worry about getting a big free agent, and teams don't trade for Jalen Rose. Or they already would have, because he's not a bad player. The Knicks need to be in business to help themselves, because as I'm sure you've noticed, teams don't like to trade much for players with expiring contracts. Besides what the Lakers did, which was not only stupid, but it had to be done. Now the Knicks might be in position to draft Hassan Adams, who I like. Doubt it, I think he'll go high. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Electrifyer 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2006 Yay... Antonio Davis back in Toronto. Yay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2006 1) The Knicks get a SF, something they desperately need. We don't need anymore PFs. We have Taylor, Frye and Lee, and we have Curry, James, and Butler at center. We don't need anymore size. Frye, Lee and Taylor do not play like PF's, but I'll still give you sorry ass Mo as a PF. 2) Rose's contract is only one year longer. Whether that money expires this year or the next, it doesn't make a difference, as the Knicks will still be way over the cap when it happens. The direction of the team is more of what I'm worried about. They're just making it so that their younger guys get less playing time, and it shows that they haven't learned shit from Layden's bad contracts. 3) The year Rose's contract expires, is also the year before the summer of free agents such as Dirk, Bibby, and Pierce going out on the market. This will have more teams scrambling for expiring deals, than they have this year. I don't think the Knicks have to worry about getting a big free agent, and teams don't trade for Jalen Rose. Or they already would have, because he's not a bad player. I watch the Knicks, and Frye, Lee, and Taylor are PFs. Whos going to get less playing time? Qyntel Woods? He'll be the backup SF. Robinson, Lee, and Frye will get the same play time, or even more with Davis gone (Lee and Frye). You don't get it. The Knicks have an expiring contract that can HELP ANOTHER team get someone like Dirk or Bibby. That's next year, the year before the summer of the big free agents. Hassan Adams is projected mid to late first round right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 4, 2006 With a payroll like that, don't you think the Knicks should be trying to help themselves? I thought they would have learned that already. Teams do not trade good players for expiring contracts. Adams will go up after the tournament and once teams get his vertical number. I like him a lot too, as you've probably noticed. He has a TON of potential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2006 Well, Rasheed Wallace was. His size might hurt him a bit, but I think he has the potential to be a Ron Artest type player, except 3 inches shorter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
