Guest Dr Stupid Report post Posted February 21, 2006 I'm not a blind mark. WWE does lots of things I don't like. HHH winning a match isn't one of them Wow! Proof that you, Desperate Housewife, are not a FAN. How can you be a FAN when there are things you don't like. Maybe you could elaborate on what are the things that you don't like...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricMM 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 You guys don't feed the troll I type out a long, excellent piece, and this douchebag poster gets all the attention... Or do you actually think he isn't a troll? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyperchord24 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 This just in: Carlito's good. What was that leg drop that Ken did on HBK, where he grabs the back of his legs? For some reason, I want to say it has a name. And you guys thought they were protecting RVD. Read my post from the first page. I called it. RVD is the WWE's spot monkey, with a ladder match at MITB II, he will showcase that is the only reason Vince keeps him around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 Yeah but for numerous reasons RVD pretty damn near has to win that MITB. I'm assuming that the MITB roster will be thus: RVD, Carlito, Shelton, Masters, and maybe Kane and Show. Of those guys RVD is the only logical winner. No one would buy Carlito winning it since he'd just job out when he used the title shot. I might be one of the few who doesn't think RVD was particularly buried last night. He was massively over with the crowd, he had Big Show beat, and only lost in a screwy manner. Coming back and winning the MITB, then feuding with Edge for a while over it would keep him right on track. As far as RVD in ECW, I don't recall him ever burying his opponents. If anything I thought he made even jobbers like Vito look like a threat to the TV title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dr Stupid Report post Posted February 21, 2006 I will always be amazed at WWE's self-contradiction. I recall all the sentiments thrown around in the late 90's, when people like Foley, Michaels, and HHH touted the WWF's talent at listening to it's fans, compared to WCW. Now we have situations where for years, the most over people on the card haven't been pushed to the top, but have had to carry themselves, working against the book. At least that's what it feels like, watching TV. Rob Van Dam is getting the responses he always had, which have been, literally, outstanding. He's been here before, at the cusp, at the edge. The fans have clamored for him before, and nothing. And nothing again. This time the faces are different. Instead of Brock, we have Cena. Granted, Cena is far far more "into" the business than Lesnar was, but nonetheless, he is the same. He is the same "next big thing" he is the same hype, he is the same hope. WWE seems to fixate on figures now, far far far to early. I don't know if they do it in OVW, or backstage, or whenever. But we all knew that Orton would get his belt, and that Cena would get his. And it wasn't because they were over, it was because they were going to try to get them over. RVD is already over. He is over despite being on TV for less than a month, if memory serves. Certainly far less than Cena. He hasn't gotten the mixed reactions that Cena has gotten with his bland persona. I'm not happy to say that, I see where Cena could go if given the chance to advance himself, both skill wise and character wise. But potential does not equal quality. RVD's time was then, RVD's time is now. I'm sure RVD's time will come again in the future. Because his chances continue to pass him by, like they did tonight. It's not RVD's fault. There seems to be nothing RVD can do. So I guess, I wonder, if there's anything Cena can do. If there's anything Orton can do. If there's anything the writers can do. I DO like the idea of teaming Cena and RVD up. I think team E.C.K. all benefited from their pairing oh so many years ago. Angle now has a depth that allows him to be comedic as well as the bad ass. RVD, and interacting with RVD would definitely change Cena, who has practically no dimensions right now. He's not a character, he's an idea. Maria is helpful. but she's ALSO one dimensional. RVD isn't super deep either, but he's more. He's something. He's something different. Pretty much hit the nail on the head with the RVD stuff, mate. I hate Cena's current character because he has so much potential as the cocky badass face. Not the watered down WWE face that got forced on us. I think the best way to give Cena back his better face character, is to take him out of the title for a little bit. Then he could come back to the title scene as a more interesting face. I think I like RVD too much to wish Cena's current stink on him at the moment. It should be RVD's time to shine, not to be Cena's little buddy that he lets hang around him. We sould have had Cena/Edge finish with Edge staying champ till WM. Then RVD winning. Keeps the belt through ONS 2 so he can show it off to all his ECW fans. Then drops it to HHH at Summerslam or something. Then we can have Cena get the belt after that. While he's not in the title scene, Cena can develope a fued with someone he wouldn't really be able to if he still had the title. A slow burn on that, giving him something to do, that will ultimately reignite his character. I guess the whole idea, is that we just need a bit of a breather from champ Cena. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slimm44 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 I dont know why, but I enjoyed RAW from beginning to end. I didn't have any hate for anyone I normally do (Benjamin, in particular) it was just a fun show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyperchord24 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 Last was a good RAW for the matches. But I think in the end, the main even proved that Paul, Vince and Steph will rule with iron fist until the WWE goes out of business. They are NOT in it for the money, so they pretty much do what they want. RVD will be buried until he doesn't sign a contract renewal. I just wish he would consider going to TNA if for nothing else but to get a world title reign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dam(o)nYankees Report post Posted February 21, 2006 HHH is over enough, and talented enough to justify a reign with the belt. He hasn't been top guy on the show since JULY! Is a title reign that bad???? You know, there are big stars who go entire calendar years without winning the world title? Kurt Angle didn't win the belt for all of 2004 and 2005. Undertaker hasn't been champion since 2002. You can be a top star without being champion all the fucking time. Regardless, the fact that he's getting another reign doesn't bother me nearly as much as that he's getting another fucking title match at Wrestlemania. Five in a row. (Really 6 in 7 years, but that's not the point) No one in the history of this company has done five Mania title matches in a row. Steve Austin didn't. Rock didn't. Hulk Hogan, in the height of fucking Hulkamania didn't. He never did more than three. Because it's boring. It's boring to see the same man fighting for the world title at the biggest show of the year EVERY YEAR. You need to mix it up a little occasionally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyperchord24 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 HHH is over enough, and talented enough to justify a reign with the belt. He hasn't been top guy on the show since JULY! Is a title reign that bad???? You know, there are big stars who go entire calendar years without winning the world title? Kurt Angle didn't win the belt for all of 2004 and 2005. Undertaker hasn't been champion since 2002. You can be a top star without being champion all the fucking time. Regardless, the fact that he's getting another reign doesn't bother me nearly as much as that he's getting another fucking title match at Wrestlemania. Five in a row. (Really 6 in 7 years, but that's not the point) No one in the history of this company has done five Mania title matches in a row. Steve Austin didn't. Rock didn't. Hulk Hogan, in the height of fucking Hulkamania didn't. He never did more than three. Because it's boring. It's boring to see the same man fighting for the world title at the biggest show of the year EVERY YEAR. You need to mix it up a little occasionally. Try telling that to the man who has his wrestling logo engraved in his tour bus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 Try telling that to the man who has is wrestling logo engraved in his tour bus. In hhhis defense, I'm willing to wager that he has the Iron Cross symbol as his wrestling logo because he likes it in real life ... which is also probably why he has it on his tour bus. Basically, I doubt that he has it on the tour bus BECAUSE it's his wrestling logo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 Try telling that to the man who has is wrestling logo engraved in his tour bus. In hhhis defense, I'm willing to wager that he has the Iron Cross symbol as his wrestling logo because he likes it in real life ... which is also probably why he has it on his tour bus. Basically, I doubt that he has it on the tour bus BECAUSE it's his wrestling logo. He has incorporated the Iron Cross as his own logo, similar to Shaq with the Superman logo (and if you see his bus and house, it's covered with Shaq/Superman logos. It's most certainly an ego thing. I've also see bands do the same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 And even if it did, what does that have to do with him being the champion all the time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 And even if it did, what does that have to do with him being the champion all the time? I thought we were just purposely trying to go off-topic... Anyone see the size of the shower on that HHH bus? GOSH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyperchord24 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 And even if it did, what does that have to do with him being the champion all the time? That to be a credible main eventer, you need the title most of the time (where, in reality, to be a main eventer, you just need the push and the self-confidence to believe that you actually are a main eventer, not some fake title that tells you that you are). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 The only notable differences on Raw in the last 3 years are a neutered Joey Styles and Thea on Raw. Everything else is the status quo. Just spinning their wheels until HHH dies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 And even if it did, what does that have to do with him being the champion all the time? That to be a credible main eventer, you need the title most of the time (where, in reality, to be a main eventer, you just need the push and the self-confidence to believe that you actually are a main eventer, not some fake title that tells you that you are). Ok... so by putting "his" wrestling logo on the transportation vehicle he presumably travels in=thinking he needs to have the belt at all times to be a credible main eventer? Am I missing something here? If I was a wrestler or an athlete really, and I had a tour bus as well a personal "identifiable" logo, I'd put the logo on my bus too if I wanted. It makes it HIS. No different than writing your name on your sack lunch before going to school. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 Not to say I don't think HHH thinks he needs to be champion all the time, because obviously he does think that. I'm just not understanding the correlation to a logo on a bus to that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 No different than writing your name on your sack lunch before going to school. I always was told to write my name on my sack lunch in case it got lost and so I wouldn't confuse it with other sack lunches. What were YOU being told? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 I just want to chime in and say that I actually do want to see HHH beat Cena at WM. If it was just about any other guy defending against HHH I wouldn't be pulling for HHH, but I just can't back Cena at all right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyperchord24 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 Some people need to do things to feed their ego. People like that have a low self esteem because they can't say "I'm good enough and I don't need a title belt or a special logo to broadcast to everyone how awesome I am." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 No different than writing your name on your sack lunch before going to school. I always was told to write my name on my sack lunch in case it got lost and so I wouldn't confuse it with other sack lunches. What were YOU being told? In all honesty, I never had a sack lunch (was one of the kids to go home for lunch, even dating back to 1st grade) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astro7x 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 I am all for HHH winning the title at Wrestlemania if it means RVD winning MITB II and getting the title at ONS II Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 What the hell kind of school let's you go home for lunch when you are in the 1st grade? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 The kind that has parents come to pick up their kids for lunch and then drop them off for the 2nd half of the school day. Some kids (not me, I was one of the 'pickup/dropoff' kind, was able to walk home for lunch, provided they had written permission from their parents. They also must live very close by the school. We never really encountered any problems with tardiness or anything, at least that I know of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyperchord24 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 I am all for HHH winning the title at Wrestlemania if it means RVD winning MITB II and getting the title at ONS II Never will RVD ever win a WWE world title. Not so long as Vince, Steph and Paul are in charge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 a HHH face turn is necessary I remember a time when that was more logical, appealing, and interesting... but HHH refused to do so. Hmm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerousDamon 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 I forgot who asked in this thread, but the name of Kenny Doane's crazy ass legdrop is called The Flying Squirrel. AJ Styles used to use it I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 Hyper, I think you're being a bit melodramatic here. I know some seem to think Carlito is going to win that MITB but he really makes no sense at the moment. I checked the post WM house shows and it's all just him tagging with Chris Masters against Michaels/Flair or in tag title matches with Kane/Show. Conversely, I took a look at what RVD was doing and it was facing Shelton some and then right before Backlash it was RVD/Edge, leading me to believe that match will happen at Backlash and obviously would be Edge wanting the MITB from RVD. RVD in my view HAS to win the MITB. There's literally no other option that makes one iota of sense. And if he does that, they have to pay it off with some kind of title run, even if it's just a brief one from ONS till SS. Hell, I've been proposing that particular booking idea for a couple of months. I guess my point is this regarding the MITB: Who else besides RVD can win it and believably win the title? I'm sorry but Carlito is not remotely a threat at this point (I think he's more of the Jericho role, the guy who suggests the match but comes up short). In a lot of ways I think Carlito and Masters took the spots of Jericho and Christian. But sorry, Carlito has jobbed too many times to Cena to be believable right now, and there's zero money in HHH/Carlito. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyperchord24 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 Hyper, I think you're being a bit melodramatic here. I know some seem to think Carlito is going to win that MITB but he really makes no sense at the moment. I checked the post WM house shows and it's all just him tagging with Chris Masters against Michaels/Flair or in tag title matches with Kane/Show. Conversely, I took a look at what RVD was doing and it was facing Shelton some and then right before Backlash it was RVD/Edge, leading me to believe that match will happen at Backlash and obviously would be Edge wanting the MITB from RVD. RVD in my view HAS to win the MITB. There's literally no other option that makes one iota of sense. And if he does that, they have to pay it off with some kind of title run, even if it's just a brief one from ONS till SS. Hell, I've been proposing that particular booking idea for a couple of months. I guess my point is this regarding the MITB: Who else besides RVD can win it and believably win the title? I'm sorry but Carlito is not remotely a threat at this point (I think he's more of the Jericho role, the guy who suggests the match but comes up short). In a lot of ways I think Carlito and Masters took the spots of Jericho and Christian. But sorry, Carlito has jobbed too many times to Cena to be believable right now, and there's zero money in HHH/Carlito. You make a lot of sense, however, this is one requirement that needs not be met if you work for WWE "creative." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 I'm not a blind mark. WWE does lots of things I don't like. HHH winning a match isn't one of them WELL THEN YOU MUSTNT BE A FAN CAUSE YOU GOTTA LIKE EVERYTHING THAT WWE DOES TO BE A FAN!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
