V for Vendetta

[jwpeer 0]

I forgot to say their plots are similar, no they aren't identical, the plot is similar.

 

 

How can SinCity and V for Vendetta have similar plots.

 

Sin City had 4 different plots to go with the 4 different stories it told. Not a one of those plots had ANYTHING to do with a government at all. One of them had to do with a crazy sadistic killer taking down a child molesting priest/authority figure...I mean is that the similar story you're talking about?!?!

 

They are not alike in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. They really aren't even similar on ANY level except they're both based on comic books. The buck stops there.

 

 

Sin City is pretty unique in that there isn't any movie like it in recent memory, (I'd compare it to Dark City more than anything else because they both use a film noir atmosphere, though Dark City lacks the raw violence.

 

 

V for Vendetta is what Battle Royale 2 wanted to be, but couldn't quite pull off (Yeah that's the only movie I can think of that has a similar pro-terrorism to take down a corrupt government message) Though Battle Royale 2 may have had a more sophisticated message in the end, it wasn't nearly as polished.

[jwpeer 0]

If you're going to make outrageous statements like that, back them up. The plots are not at all even similar, except, I guess, a corrupt authority rules the city/country, which would make All the President's Men and Sin City clones.

 

How are their tones similar? Sin City is straight, exaggerated noir. V is not. You are the worst movie critic of all time.

 

 

Just to reinforce my last post. Everything Special K said is also true.

 

Worst movie critic ever.

[Guest fanofcoils]

Both are "dark" movies, therefore their tones are similar. Both movies have similarities in plot with Sin City having "crazy characters" who do a lot of violence in the movie and V for Vendetta for "V" being a crazy character who does a lot of violence in the movie. Off the top of my head I couldn't think of a movie closer to Sin City than V to Vendetta in the past 5 years.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Both are "dark" movies, therefore their tones are similar. Both movies have similarities in plot with Sin City having "crazy characters" who do a lot of violence in the movie and V for Vendetta for "V" being a crazy character who does a lot of violence in the movie. Off the top of my head I couldn't think of a movie closer to Sin City than V to Vendetta in the past 5 years.

 

Then you either aren't seeing enough movies or just have no clue what's going on when you are watching them.

[Guest fanofcoils]

Or perhaps Sin City was the first movie that jumped to mind when I was thinking of a similar movie to V for Vendetta. I didn't really try to think of all the movies I saw in the past five years, sorry.

[jwpeer 0]

Or perhaps Sin City was the first movie that jumped to mind when I was thinking of a similar movie to V for Vendetta. I didn't really try to think of all the movies I saw in the past five years, sorry.

 

 

 

Maybe you're just REALLY bad at drawing comparisons to things, and should stop trying to do it?

 

 

the very first movie that jumped in my head when I saw v for Vendetta and the 'Knife-time' was the Matrix. then Battle Royale 2. I never once thought of SinCity. Sometimes I thought of 1984 when I was watching the movie though, and I even thought about the book Market Forces by Richard K. Morgan.

 

 

I'd say you need to read more books and watch more movies then.

[Damaramu 0]

What was the name of the song that played when the Bailey was blown up and then the one that played during parliments explosion.

The 1812 Overture, which, ironically enough, was written to celebrate England's victory after the defeat of Napoleon at the Battle of Waterloo.

 

Actually it was Napoleon's defeat in Russia (which would make sense since it was written by a Russian). Waterloo was in 1815.

 

So then what was that song HHH used to come out to with the choir and everything?

[bobobrazil1984 0]

Other than the fact that there are nighttime scenes with a dark color palatte, there is like, nothing remotely similar between the two, lol.

[Dangerous A 0]

Both are "dark" movies, therefore their tones are similar. Both movies have similarities in plot with Sin City having "crazy characters" who do a lot of violence in the movie and V for Vendetta for "V" being a crazy character who does a lot of violence in the movie. Off the top of my head I couldn't think of a movie closer to Sin City than V to Vendetta in the past 5 years.

 

 

I could say the same thing for Batman Begins...

 

 

and Star Wars Ep III....

 

 

and Spawn...

 

 

and the Matrix trilogy...

 

 

and Pulp Fiction...

 

 

and the Robert Rodriguez "Mariachi" trilogy....

 

 

and....

[jwpeer 0]

Both are "dark" movies, therefore their tones are similar. Both movies have similarities in plot with Sin City having "crazy characters" who do a lot of violence in the movie and V for Vendetta for "V" being a crazy character who does a lot of violence in the movie. Off the top of my head I couldn't think of a movie closer to Sin City than V to Vendetta in the past 5 years.

 

 

I could say the same thing for Batman Begins...

 

 

and Star Wars Ep III....

 

 

and Spawn...

 

 

and the Matrix trilogy...

 

 

and Pulp Fiction...

 

 

and the Robert Rodriguez "Mariachi" trilogy....

 

 

and....

 

and Anatomy, Visitor Q, virtually any of Takashi Miike's movies for that matter. Suicide Club is like that too...Countless movies involve violence. It's interesting.

 

But that doesn't really make a valid means for comparison. It's too broad.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

What was the name of the song that played when the Bailey was blown up and then the one that played during parliments explosion.

The 1812 Overture, which, ironically enough, was written to celebrate England's victory after the defeat of Napoleon at the Battle of Waterloo.

 

Actually it was Napoleon's defeat in Russia (which would make sense since it was written by a Russian). Waterloo was in 1815.

 

So then what was that song HHH used to come out to with the choir and everything?

 

Joyful, Joyful We Adore Thee. An adaptation of Ode to Joy. At least I seem to remember him using that variation. The music itself is definitely Ode to Joy.

 

Joyful, joyful, we adore thee,

God of glory, Lord of love;

hearts unfold like flowers before thee,

opening to the sun above.

Melt the clouds of sin and sadness;

drive the dark of doubt away.

Giver of immortal gladness,

fill us with the light of day!

 

All thy works with joy surround thee,

earth and heaven reflect thy rays,

stars and angels sing around thee,

center of unbroken praise.

Field and forest, vale and mountain,

flowery meadow, flashing sea,

chanting bird and flowing fountain,

call us to rejoice in thee.

 

Thou art giving and forgiving,

ever blessing, ever blest,

well-spring of the joy of living,

ocean depth of happy rest!

Thou our Father, Christ our brother,

all who live in love are thine;

teach us how to love each other,

lift us to the joy divine.

 

Mortals, join the mighty chorus

which the morning stars began;

love divine is reigning o'er us,

binding all within its span.

Ever singing, march we onward,

victors in the midst of strife;

joyful music leads us sunward,

in the triumph song of life.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Ok, two questions: Does V for Vendetta actually endorse terrorism?

 

and

 

Is Battle Royal 2 any good?

[Special K 0]

Is Battle Royale 2 any good?

 

NO. it sucks ass. Coming from a huge fan of the original. It's a STUPID movie. The plot's almost decent, but the movie's 75% action scenes, and those action scenes are really, really terrible. And more unrealistic than a John Woo movie, without the exchange of being viscerally thrilling. I can't remember the dialogue as being good at all. Without Kawada or Beat Takeshi, there's no particularly interesting characters.

 

 

 

Has anyone read Great Expectations and its clone, Pride & Prejudice? They're both about English people who live with their parents, fall in love, and have to leave their home and stuff. They totally have the same plot. Although I can't really be sure, because sometimes they talked and it was boring.

 

The worst clone is Chicago of Les Miserables. Some people went to prison, and sang a whole bunch, then they got out of prison. Same exact musical.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Furthermore, The Stranger by Albert Camus was a blatant clone of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. They both had guys in them that did stuff.

[AndrewTS 0]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2034&p=.htm

 

Amusing that Pink friggin' Panther is outperforming V.

 

PP is *still* in theaters around where I live. I guess we're getting a sequel.

[Damaramu 0]

Still no name for that song? Nobody know?

[Special K 0]

Few posts up.

[jwpeer 0]

Is Battle Royale 2 any good?

 

NO. it sucks ass. Coming from a huge fan of the original. It's a STUPID movie. The plot's almost decent, but the movie's 75% action scenes, and those action scenes are really, really terrible. And more unrealistic than a John Woo movie, without the exchange of being viscerally thrilling. I can't remember the dialogue as being good at all. Without Kawada or Beat Takeshi, there's no particularly interesting characters.

 

 

 

 

For the most part I agree, but it is a fun movie to watch in a way, because the concept is entertaining, even if the execution is poor. The movie is actually worse as it gets closer to the end...it ends almost incoherently.

[EricMM 0]

I think someone needs to redefine the word "clone" for certain posters......

[Anakin Flair 0]

Ok, two questions: Does V for Vendetta actually endorse terrorism?

 

and

 

Is Battle Royal 2 any good?

 

 

It doesn't endores Terrorisim, it endorses Freedom. It's all about freeing a subjugated people from a totalitarian regime. There have been dozens of movies in the past few years with similar themes (The Matric comes to mind. Sin City, on the other hand, does NOT).

 

And I've never seen Battle Royal 2.

[iggymcfly 0]

 

This guy's still around? I thought he got shamed off of the forum a long time ago.

 

I don't remember exactly what the argument was about, but I remember that it had something to do with Kevin Nash, and that his position was absolutely ridiculous.

 

Oh, and the argument had to do with him completely misusing a word.

 

Because he has the vocabulary of a 12 year old.

 

(Fanofcoils, if you actually are 12, then I apologize.)

 

 

 

Oh, and as for the movie, I was kind of the fence with seeing it, but if it's about taking down the fascist Christians that use morality to take over the world, then you can count me in.

[Golgo 13 0]

Yep. This one, I assume.

 

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?showtopic=68438

 

There's also this little number.

 

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?showtopic=64527

[iggymcfly 0]

No sold. That was it.

 

He was trying to say no show. But then he didn't have the right definition for that either, as he was just using it for people that were never planned to be on the show because they were injured or were out of the fed.

 

For instance, he'd say something like Christian no sold the Royal Rumble this year because he (fanofcoils) would have liked to see him in a tag match.

[iggymcfly 0]

Actually, I've got to thank atomsk for posting the other thread too. Amazingly, it's also an argument with liberal use of the "no-sold" term even though it's from six months prior.

 

I don't usually hijack threads, but I can't help re-posting these gems:

 

For the past week I've been asking Meltzer about a question a day in e-mail to him. Apparently that is too much for him because I haven't gotten a quick reply to my last e-mail, and it has been over a day since I sent it to him. He probably checked his e-mail by now but has no sold me. This is just to let you know, Meltzer will likely eventually no sell you if you ask him questions on a regular basis.

 

I'm not complaining about Meltzer, I'm just informing those who don't know, that Meltzer does no sell. Meltzer is the number 1 source to ask questions, that is why I ask him.

 

Why not just ask us the questions.

I mentioned before, which you no sold, because Meltzer is the number 1 source. His word is basically fact, here it isn't always.

 

But we know all the stuff Meltzer's written. We could answer your questions

There is no point of asking the question if I can get it from Meltzer (if he sells). Here isn't as good overall as Meltzer. Knowledgeable wrestling fans, but not as knowledgeable as him.

[Special K 0]

Let's all just ignore fanofPRIME.

 

Incidentally, I saw this movie today called V for Vendetta. And it fucking kicked ass.

 

And the tone of the film, for what it's worth is the exact oppositte of Sin City. Everyone in SIn City speaks in this clipped, repititious, uber-noir manner, while V is verbose and theatrical.

 

Great job by Hugo weaving with his body language while speaking. It must have been a hard role to play.

 

Only a couple of points of critique:

They left out a key scene from the comic that I think is really important: Evey debating removing V's mask after he has died.

 

And the ending, while visually stunning, is a bit ridiculous. V made thousands of masks? HOW?It would have been more effective to have a large crowd of people, and have Evey end the movie by donning the mask. Complaining about realism in a movie like this is a bit silly, though. And the ending was really powerful, visually.

 

God, did they set up all those dominos by hand? It looked like it. That's crazier to me than something like Treebeard.

 

I think in this movie there will be quite a bit of extra footage on the DVD.

[Special K 0]

I haven't changed the intent of this thread, I didn't explain it clearly because you didn't understand it.

 

JESUS CHRIST

[Guest fanofcoils]

And the tone of the film, for what it's worth is the exact oppositte of Sin City. Everyone in SIn City speaks in this clipped, repititious, uber-noir manner, while V is verbose and theatrical.

 

Great job by Hugo weaving with his body language while speaking. It must have been a hard role to play.

 

I think both having dark tones overrides whatever you said about their "tones". And Hugo actually played V instead of just voicing him? I wonder if he got more money that way or if he would get less money if he only voiced him.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Is this guy for real?

[Guest fanofcoils]

Yes, I am for real. What do you "not get"?

[Special K 0]

Hugo Weaving did indeed act under the mask.

 

At least I assume so, because I read an interview in which he stated that he was excited by the challenge of playing a role with his face completely obscured.

 

And the alliterative introduction? He carried it off pretty well. Portman's line at the end made it.

 

I don't see why Alan Moore's upset about this movie. It does make V into something of an action hero, but that's a little bit to be expected. Of course, Alan Moore is pretty batshit crazy. I think it's cool he's giving credit to the artists in his adaptations, though.