The OAO Raw Thread 5/1/06

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

By the way, Styles called Mickie James DDT the "Mick-EE-D-T". C'mon now.

[razazteca 0]

By the way, Styles called Mickie James DDT the "Mick-EE-D-T". C'mon now.

Did it look like the Stevie T?

[Guest JustPassinBy]

Which 3 SS guys worked the 6 man?

 

Does it matter? Honestly, I dont know any of them. Vince is about 8yrs too late if he wanted to do a Boy Band gimmick.

 

You are completely clueless. SS is far from a boy band. WCW had the boy band, during the height of the boy band craze. SS, is Vince being years behind on pop culture. Besides, Ken Doane will be main eventing WMXXVI.

 

I'm not sure what the hell SS is supposed to be. I see them, I immediately think boy band. I dont think.. hmmmm... this might be an ode to such movies as "Bring it on"...

 

I see Cheerleaders, I think girls.

I see 6 guys as a group, I dont think of cheerleaders. I dont even think of the SNL, Will Ferrell sketch.

 

When you have 6 guys that just go by their 1st name, that are in their early 20's, they strike me as being boy bandish..

 

Everyone has their opinion so I dont wanna piss on someone else that thinks these guys are entertaining. I just think the gimmick is horrible and I switch the TV whenever they come on.

[Hawk 34 0]

Which 3 SS guys worked the 6 man?

 

Does it matter? Honestly, I dont know any of them. Vince is about 8yrs too late if he wanted to do a Boy Band gimmick.

 

You are completely clueless. SS is far from a boy band. WCW had the boy band, during the height of the boy band craze. SS, is Vince being years behind on pop culture. Besides, Ken Doane will be main eventing WMXXVI.

 

I'm not sure what the hell SS is supposed to be. I see them, I immediately think boy band. I dont think.. hmmmm... this might be an ode to such movies as "Bring it on"...

 

I see Cheerleaders, I think girls.

I see 6 guys as a group, I dont think of cheerleaders. I dont even think of the SNL, Will Ferrell sketch.

 

When you have 6 guys that just go by their 1st name, that are in their early 20's, they strike me as being boy bandish..

 

Everyone has their opinion so I dont wanna piss on someone else that thinks these guys are entertaining. I just think the gimmick is horrible and I switch the TV whenever they come on.

 

SS is clearly a cut off the SNL sketch of the mid-90's. It's pretty clear. If it was a boy band, it'd be...singing as opposed to doing dances and cheers. Which is what cheerleaders do. If they were in a boy-band, they wouldn't look identical.

[cabbageboy 0]

This Raw quite frankly sucked ass aside from obviously the Joey Styles bitter "shoot" promo. I have to think that the show sucking otherwise was almost intentional however. As in the show was full of all the bullshit and garbage that Styles ran down in his tirade.

 

I think this is only the beginning. There is no feasible way to make ECW the heels in this. Bear in mind Styles on quit in anger after being humiliated by Edge, the Spirit Squad, and then Lawler (who is technically still a heel color man, right?).

 

From here I think we'll see Vince or perhaps another guest GM humiliate the ECW guys on the roster. This leads us to Van Dam being royally screwed out of the IC belt in heinous fashion. The reason Van Dam didn't figure into it tonight is that the note was handed to Joey during his match. Van Dam will figure into this more next week, when he will start being abused due to his ECW background. All it would take is a simply promo where he says that Styles was right.

 

In the end, the only recourse ECW will have is RVD's Money in the Bank. I'm thinking that match will end up with stips added, stuff like if RVD loses then ECW will never be mentioned again, but if he wins then not only does he get the title but ECW also gets to branch off again as a promotion.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

The Spirit Squad are evil frat boys.

 

They basically hazed Styles. "SAY IT AGAIN! LOUDER! Wear this embarassing outfit! DO WHAT WE SAY!"

 

They travel in packs, fight in packs, and scream shit.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

JustPassinBuy, there are 5 members, by the way. Do you watch the show or just post?

[Guest Army Eye]

The Spirit Squad is getting mass mass X-Pac heat. The worst I've seen, since actually X-Pac.

 

Anyone who faces the Spirit Squad automatically becomes a face. HHH got face reactions tonite. Even Cena, who the crowd usually hates, was cheering for him over the SS.

 

Wow, that's bad! You'd almost think they were heels or something..

[Guest JustPassinBy]

JustPassinBuy, there are 5 members, by the way. Do you watch the show or just post?

 

Tonite I saw about 15 minutes of Raw.

[MixxMaster 0]

I'd like to see them not do the too obvious, and have the ex-ECW guys get hazed...instead have more wrestlers get pissed off and leave, mostly not even the typical old ECW guys, which would make it more interesting as well as seem bigger than just a set up to ECW ONS II. There's plenty of guys around to bitch about their position, and the shitty gimmicks they have...

[The Amazing Rando 0]

I'd like to see them not do the too obvious, and have the ex-ECW guys get hazed...instead have more wrestlers get pissed off and leave, mostly not even the typical old ECW guys, which would make it more interesting as well as seem bigger than just a set up to ECW ONS II. There's plenty of guys around to bitch about their position, and the shitty gimmicks they have...

 

 

"At least I have a job!"

[therealworldschampion 0]

The Spirit Squad are evil frat boys.

 

They basically hazed Styles. "SAY IT AGAIN! LOUDER! Wear this embarassing outfit! DO WHAT WE SAY!"

 

They travel in packs, fight in packs, and scream shit.

 

You know, the more I think about it, that's probably the most accurate assessment of them that I can think of.

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

and that's why we brought back Sledgehammer ladies and gentlemen.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

The Spirit Squad are evil frat boys.

 

They basically hazed Styles. "SAY IT AGAIN! LOUDER! Wear this embarassing outfit! DO WHAT WE SAY!"

 

They travel in packs, fight in packs, and scream shit.

 

You know, the more I think about it, that's probably the most accurate assessment of them that I can think of.

If that's the case, they do it better than the short-lived TNA team "Phi Delta Slam"

[cabbageboy 0]

The only problem is how far do you go with this angle? Do they make the JBL/Rey Judgment Day match into some sort of ECW angle, with JBL wanting to get the belt off "a midget who once worked for ECW?"

 

I don't really see how this could lead to RVD vs. Cena. Given that it was the Spirit Squad who humiliated Styles and then Cena fought those same guys, I'd think Cena would be a pseudo ally. Also, Cena has way too much stuff going on right now with HHH, Edge still lingering, Michaels might want a shot. Cena suddenly going viciously anti ECW doesn't make a whole lot of storyline sense, whereas I can certainly see JBL wanting to liberate the title from the ECW alum Rey. JBL could then start talking all sorts of shit about ECW, thus leading to Van Dam challenging him and not Cena.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Cena would not go anti-ECW ... at least, not in the way you are trying to put it. I believe Cena, when surrounded by an ECW crowd that is calling for his head, would instinctively go on defense and attack them back instead of trying to be their friend. Regardless of what happened tonight. It's the face/heel dynamic of Raw going against ECW that is an interesting angle in all of this.

 

Also, I don't see HBK ever going after the title again outside of maybe his normal "oh, tonight you are fighting HBK for the title" like they've done a few times. I don't think a long-term program/feud would be in the works. HBK, like HHH, is actually above the world title due to his tenure and overness.

 

EDIT: And what I meant by the "face/heel dynamic" is that if Raw and Smackdown both went after ECW, guys that hate each other (Masters and Carlito for instance) would be forced to be sided with one another to go against the larger good, but would still have to show tension towards each other...and it's that kind of layered storytelling i'm most interested in seeing how it's pulled off.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

The sad part about all of this is that Smackdown! will probably be involved with the ECW angle in some part, and that means JBL will be on TV.

[Hawk 34 0]

The sad part about all of this is that Smackdown! will probably be involved with the ECW angle in some part, and that means JBL will be on TV.

 

Yeah, it sucks when one of the very few money promoers and brawlers get involved.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

I hope by money you didn't mean "draw money".

 

JBL used to be pretty entertaining on the mic. Lately, though, all I've seen is generic heel crap. Really bad.

 

I'll give him his due for putting on good brawls with Cena and Eddie. But there's a lot of people who can brawl that aren't pushed to the moon and put in wrestling main events month after month for an entire year and killing a title belt's value.

 

JBL's just average. Don't let the fact that he's pushed down the fans throats fool you.

 

This really isn't a discussion about JBL though, shouldn't have brought it up. You can win the argument for all I care. Talking about JBL reminds me of 2004 and I don't want to break into hives thinking about his near brand-killing title reign and the worst title defense in WM history.

[cabbageboy 0]

That's what I'm saying. I mean isn't it easier to go the JBL route than the Cena route? Cena will likely be neutral in this thing. He has no agenda in terms of hazing ECW alums (ironic considering the Jeter video we saw this past week), if anything being an ally of sorts might give Cena a rub.

 

Rando, the problem I have with your idea is that it sounds entirely too much like the NWO. Not everyone on Raw should be involved in this angle. Nor SD. It has to be about ECW guys being harrassed until they feel the need to break off entirely.

 

I reason that it'd be easier to have JBL involved since we know he'll get around to bashing ECW at some point. Since it's likely JBL will beat Rey at JD, he'd have the title and would likely start bashing ECW. Who would RVD go after?

 

--John Cena, a guy who has been an ally in the past and for the most part has no problem with ECW.

 

--JBL, a guy who bashed ECW last year and led an invasion of the PPV, and who is now also trashing ECW again.

[Jaxxson Mayhem 0]

That's what I'm saying. I mean isn't it easier to go the JBL route than the Cena route? Cena will likely be neutral in this thing. He has no agenda in terms of hazing ECW alums (ironic considering the Jeter video we saw this past week), if anything being an ally of sorts might give Cena a rub.

 

Rando, the problem I have with your idea is that it sounds entirely too much like the NWO. Not everyone on Raw should be involved in this angle. Nor SD. It has to be about ECW guys being harrassed until they feel the need to break off entirely.

 

I reason that it'd be easier to have JBL involved since we know he'll get around to bashing ECW at some point. Since it's likely JBL will beat Rey at JD, he'd have the title and would likely start bashing ECW. Who would RVD go after?

 

--John Cena, a guy who has been an ally in the past and for the most part has no problem with ECW.

 

--JBL, a guy who bashed ECW last year and led an invasion of the PPV, and who is now also trashing ECW again.

 

 

AND his incident with the Blue Meanie.

[tominator89 0]

Cena is the posterchild for sports entertainment with his emphasis on being gimmick-based and not having much of a moveset. This was even mentioned during the HHH fued. It makes perfect sense for him to represent WWE against RVD/ECW.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

I don't think I would want to get EVERYONE involved in depth... just a few key people here and there... it's more the idea that, should it happen, everyone in the company should be talking about it and reacting to it because it's big news.

 

 

If RVD won the belt and then threw it down and did the old Shane Douglas routine at ONS...wouldn't you suspect that on Raw the next night THE ENTIRE COMPANY would be buzzing? It would be weird going from "This title is worthless" to Carlito or Haas yelling "You suck Masters!" or some other such nonsense.

 

And, the best part of the nWo was the unpredictability in it's early days...they just took the swerves and shit too far. it seems ECW's mindset as a whole should be "Wrestling is better than Sports Entertainment and we are going to prove it" ... if it splits up the fanbase then so be it... some of the best wresting fan discussion i've seen live involves people with completely different mentalities about what is good and what isn't as far as the 'wrestling vs. entertainment' aspect is concerned

[Hawk 34 0]

I don't think I would want to get EVERYONE involved in depth... just a few key people here and there... it's more the idea that, should it happen, everyone in the company should be talking about it and reacting to it because it's big news.

 

 

If RVD won the belt and then threw it down and did the old Shane Douglas routine at ONS...wouldn't you suspect that on Raw the next night THE ENTIRE COMPANY would be buzzing? It would be weird going from "This title is worthless" to Carlito or Haas yelling "You suck Masters!" or some other such nonsense.

 

And, the best part of the nWo was the unpredictability in it's early days...they just took the swerves and shit too far. it seems ECW's mindset as a whole should be "Wrestling is better than Sports Entertainment and we are going to prove it" ... if it splits up the fanbase then so be it... some of the best wresting fan discussion i've seen live involves people with completely different mentalities about what is good and what isn't as far as the 'wrestling vs. entertainment' aspect is concerned

 

Look no further then the current CZW Vs ROH storyline, which pits two essentially different styles and brands against each other, which gets two types of fanbases emotionally tied into the war as well. NWO/WCW drew this reaction as well, the ones who were loyal to the good guys, the traditional promotion and those that sided with the cool rebels.

[sluggo 0]

I hate everyone ragging on Cena's gimmick. He hasn't been a rapper in months. I know because I loved his freestyles before he won the title. I've got 20 of them on my mp3 player. His character has matured into a Stone Cold type of character but everyone sees the jerseys or the visor and automatically thinks he's a rapper. Just think of Cena being an updated Austin minus the beer.

 

If you don't remember, Austin overcame the odds a whole lot in 3 years and no one got tired of it. Sure, it was with McMahon who used others to do his dirty work, but doing that again with Cena is just stupid since people will rag on it as a Austin rip off. People are right by saying this is the most interesting story going with the boos and cheers going on.

 

Tonight was a good example. Instead of Cena being cheered and booed all night, it was only during the first part of the match. He's getting his fan base back slowly.

 

Hate it or love it, anyone else with the belt that's not being chased by Cena is boring. Would you really care to see a PPV headlined by HHH vs. Edge or Big Show vs. HHH vs. Edge? I can't see another HBK title run in the future especially if they reform DX. HHH will be in the #1 spot this time leaving HBK to fight off the top midcarders like Umanga.

[NoCalMike 0]

Tonight was a good example. Instead of Cena being cheered and booed all night, it was only during the first part of the match. He's getting his fan base back slowly.

 

I think you need to listen closer to who was cheering for Cena. It was all high-pitched females(in general., not all) screaming. Which has basically been his only support for the last few months, because females seem to be the only ones who, no matter what, will cheer for who they are told to cheer for.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Eventually ragging on Cena will get old and he'll do something remotely cool and be cheered.

 

But for now the crowd hates him. Tonight he was facing an irritating jackoff gimmick rookie. Last night he was completely shit on, as he has been for months.

[ANKLELOCK 0]

Cena was cheered last night, get over it.

[AmazingRen 0]

The slap of the year:

 

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/aaron24wood/joey2.gif

 

Is it me or does Joey look like he'll be a shoe in for a Pee-Wee's Big Adventure remake?

[Jaxxson Mayhem 0]

The slap of the year:

 

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/aaron24wood/joey2.gif

 

Is it me or does Joey look like he'll be a shoe in for a Pee-Wee's Big Adventure remake?

 

 

NICE! How do you make .gif's?