dubq 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2006 To further my "nice" above: It looks pretty cool to me and this has actually made me warm up to Kevin Spacey (whom I normally cannot stomach on-screen) as Lex Luthor. You're kidding?!? American Beauty? The Usual Suspects? Outbreak?? Nope. Not kidding at all. I can't stand him, normally. The only other flicks of his that I could stomach were Seven & Swimming with Sharks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted May 6, 2006 AICN posted this review... I saw this movie 2 months ago in South L.A. but I didn’t bother to write a review. But I just saw Moriarty’s mini script review and felt compelled to set the story straight. I really liked this film, long as it was (about 2 and a half hours!) and it kinda ticked me off that it seems to be getting a bum rap. A fake negative review? C’mon. Well I’m going to set the story straight, and that is that this is a very good movie. This is not Batman Begins, and despite what you might be led to believe, the overall tone is a lot like Superman 2, if not a little bit more serious. It's big and fun, but it has a heart. The love story is the basis for almost all of it’s drama, but what Singer cleverly has done is added a new element, and it is what will make most fans say “wow. Superman really ISNT all that boring”. He’s given Lois Lane not only a boyfriend, but a child! On paper, that sounds AWFUL. Lois lane? A mother! WHAT! Well yeah, that’s how it is, if your really narrow minded. What the child does is cement the fact that lois has MOVED ON and superman’s never ever had to deal with this problem before, and that is what makes us able to relate to him, the fact that we all have dealt with this very problem before. This adds a huge element to the movie and makes a much more mature film than you’d think. Instead of the standard "loves her but cant have her” love story, here’s a story where he DID have her and he blew it, and now he’s trying to rekindle the relationship. I don’t really get why some fans have such trouble grasping that, unless your one of those geeks that’s never been in a relationship so you obviously wont relate to this problem. But seeing Superman being jealous, while it might not be exactly what he does in the comics, makes the movie better. Giving Superman the slightest “edge”, or as some fans have said, making him emo-it all makes Superman much more relatable;he’s no longer just somebody who can do everything he ever wanted to. We know exactly what he’s going though, and Singer really took time to hammer home that fact and it totally pays off. That’s where the film gets really good, when they finally seem to be hitting off again, Luthor comes in and totally messes up everything, and the solution involves a lot of superman. And ya know, Im not dumb. The fans know Superman is the kids father. But in the movie it is not bad. Your almost wishing he is the father, just because you know he is supposed to be with Lois. Like with Peter Parker and Mary Jane, Peter is taking a backseat to guys like Flash Thompson of John Jameson and you as the audience want Peter to get with MJ even it means hurting his good friend Harry; it’s the same here. You accept he has a kid so he can be with Lois. And people, don’t be surprised. They don’t have to outright say “Lois and Superman had sex” to get the point, either. Basically here Superman takes a backseat to Richard and Jason, and he’s never done that, so it’s very, very interesting and refreshing source of drama for a superman movie. And ya know, there are going to be people who just flat out dont like it. Thats fine.But this not a bad film by any means, and I doubt the public think of it as bad either. Ok, so now that that shit has been explained and cleared up, I’ll move onto the plot, performances, and the action and special effects. The music obviously was not finished and neither were the fx, but it was easy to tell what was happening in the scenes. The plot is simple. Superman returns to Earth and has to juggle his ruined relationship with Lois while Lex Luthor is trying to kill and kills “billions!”. I’ll be flat, the second half of the film is where it really gets going. The first half is him in space, then in smallville, and then finally returning to Metropolis. Bits and pieces of Luthor and Lois are thrown in but not a lot. Like every other Superhero film with the exception of Batman, it gets going about an hour in when our hero finally…ahem…returns. The airplane/space shuttle saving is really incredible…the fx were not done but you could tell from what was there this will be a very intense and memorable scene. Panic flows from Mission control as the first not-nasa-related space flight seems to be a complete disaster until Superman show’s up. He also saves the plane, and sets down in the middle of a baseball stadium. He goes inside and gives a little speech, and then goes to leave the front door to walk into 1000 cameras…so the world knows: hes back. Then there was a very enjoyable sequence of Superman doing various jobs saving the world. He saves some mountain climbers, puts out some fires, and finally, he stops a bank robbery that was really cool. Now comes little bits and pieces of Lois and Clark, either in the daily planet, or Superman watching her or some shit, combined with little bits of Luthor and his scheme. He’s kicked an elderly woman out of her mansion and taken her yacht, why we’ll find out later. He robs a museum of it’s kryptonite so he can kill Superman. Meanwhile, the world is DYING to know where Superman’s been, and Lois is basically forced by White to give him an interview, no matter how much she does not want to. It’s hard, especially for her. They do eventually begin to warm up to each other, and end it with a very, very memorable scene where they go flying. Lois is still nervous, but they kind of fall of in love while they go flying. You wont get it now, but when you see it on screen you’ll know what I mean. It just looks...right. Other little bits happen, but now here’s the next action scene. In comparison to the first two this is very, very small, and it’s also complicated. Basically, Lois and Jason are…kidnapped would be the word I guess-by Lex and his crew. Heres where we find out his plan-he’s used to the kryptonion technology he got at the fortress to make a new continent. It’s already partially created, and by making it full with this kryptonion missile he has would cause a massive worldwide Earthquake and kills billions!Used as bait, Superman comes, and Lex and his men fight him, using stolen kryptonite to make him powerless. They STAB him with the kryptonite, and he’s essentially dies right before lois as they shove him off a cliff on new krypton. So, with Superman seemingly out of the way, Lois in tears, Lex locks em up in the boat, and proceeds ahead. What he does not count on is his girlfriend, the weird Kitty Kosloski, thinks he’s nuts and is having a change of heart. Meanwhile, Superman go to the fortress of solitude, where Jor-el gives him his powers back just in time to save the day as the big earthquake hits. I wont spoil the rest, but I’ll just say, it’s good. The very final scene of the film is also, a an instant classic. This film is the ultimate blockbuster-action,drama,comedy. It's got a very happy ending all around. Now that you know what happens, you can see its not bad. The pacing is good, very similar to Superman 1. Performance wise, it’s all good. Spacey’s a very memorable Lex, and Routh is a very good Superman. His Clark Kent is bumbling with a high voice, while his Superman is powerful and idealistic. Trust me, he’s good. But the real scene stealer is Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane. I dunno why, but I just really liked her. Her character is the kind that is hard to not fall in love with. Even when she’s mad, she’s just hard not to like. We can see why Superman is so in love with her. And now the action. I read in Moriaty’s review that he says theres only 2 action scenes in the whole script-well I’m here to tell you that s a total LIE. Theres 2 action scenes in the way Spiderman had 2 action scenes-or in other words, theres 2 super huge action sequences, and then a lot of other smaller stuff. The plane sequence will be amazing and worth the price of admission. The saving the day montage is classic Superman. The earthquake scene is a 2 parter. Like again, in Spider-man,you have the finale is the bridge and then the fight, but its all one big action scene. Same here. You’ve got the intense Earthquake scene, which has a lot of stuff, from runaway trains to toppling bridges to demolishing buildings. The you’ve got the fight after, including how superman stops new krypton and the fights on the Gertrude,that mega boat. To sum up, this will surprise you. It’s a way more mature film then a lot of people will realize. In case you haven’t realized it from reading what happens, this is a big, big film that will be very entertaining and it’s also very good. This is not wall-to-wall action which is why I think Moriaty was bummed. But it is action mixed with drama mixed with comedy. Theres nothing to worry about, and no reason to have so much negative buzz. Moriaty said he didn’t like that the pacing almost exactly like Superman the movie-yeah hes right. That doesn’t mean its BAD-that means its good if anything, because it worked for that movie. It worked for Spider-man. It worked for Batman Begins. And it works for Superman Returns. Call me BlackJack, and I’m out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted May 6, 2006 As I said on RT, if I do see it, it will be because of Kevin Spacey and Kevin Spacey alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted May 6, 2006 I'm sorry, but I just can't believe that there are people who are only going to see a movie about one of the most popular fictional characters of the last century because Kevin Spacey is in it. This is Superman we're talking about here, not Pay It Forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Stanley 0 Report post Posted May 7, 2006 All it was missing was Creed's "Higher" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Zaius 0 Report post Posted May 7, 2006 Nice sig, Mr. Stanley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted May 7, 2006 I'm sorry, but I just can't believe that there are people who are only going to see a movie about one of the most popular fictional characters of the last century because Kevin Spacey is in it. This is Superman we're talking about here, not Pay It Forward. I'm not to big of a Superman fan. I've always been more of a Batman and Spider-man fan. But Spacey's portrayal of Luthor sticks out and interests me. I still wish they would have got another Superman villain besides Lex Luthor - Brainiac perhaps? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted May 7, 2006 I'm sorry, but I just can't believe that there are people who are only going to see a movie about one of the most popular fictional characters of the last century because Kevin Spacey is in it. This is Superman we're talking about here, not Pay It Forward. I'm not to big of a Superman fan. I've always been more of a Batman and Spider-man fan. But Spacey's portrayal of Luthor sticks out and interests me. I still wish they would have got another Superman villain besides Lex Luthor - Brainiac perhaps? Fair enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vampiro69 0 Report post Posted May 7, 2006 Brainiac would be a cool villian to use. The trouble with Superman is that he real doesn't have that good of Rouges Gallery. You have Luthor, Brainiac and then maybe Doomsday? Metallo? Mzyplzik? There just are not many cool villians for Superman to go up against. This looks to be a great movie and one I will see opening night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2006 Brainiac would be a cool villian to use. The trouble with Superman is that he real doesn't have that good of Rouges Gallery. You have Luthor, Brainiac and then maybe Doomsday? Metallo? Mzyplzik? There just are not many cool villians for Superman to go up against. Well, for lower villains there's Livewire and Parasite. Toyman to an EXTREME if you're desperate. And for a super-big bad...Darkseid. Live action Darkseid....now THERE'S something I wanna see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZGangsta 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2006 All it was missing was Creed's "Higher" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2006 This movie is going to own all. And once it comes out and everyone here who said the trailer "didn't do anything for them" will be blowing their load after seeing it. Plus the CGI looks amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Stanley 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2006 Nice sig, Mr. Stanley. Thanks. I am a friend of the apes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZGangsta 0 Report post Posted May 12, 2006 A new TV spot aired tonight during Smallville. AICN has it to download: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=23302. Nothing new really in the trailer... soooo...yeah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted May 12, 2006 Brainiac would be a cool villian to use. The trouble with Superman is that he real doesn't have that good of Rouges Gallery. You have Luthor, Brainiac and then maybe Doomsday? Metallo? Mzyplzik? There just are not many cool villians for Superman to go up against. Well, for lower villains there's Livewire and Parasite. Toyman to an EXTREME if you're desperate. And for a super-big bad...Darkseid. Live action Darkseid....now THERE'S something I wanna see. Sorry to go on a tangent here, but I really hate when fans place Darkseid as a "Superman Rouge" along with Luthor, Toyman, Prankster, etc. Darkseid is not a Superman Rouge. That's like saying Dr. Doom is an Iron Man villain. Yes, they've clashed several times but Dr. Doom is a Fantastic Four villain first and foremost. Darkseid is a New Gods character and antagonist/father to Orion. So Supes and Darkseid have clashed before, specially on the very good cartoon episodes, but he doesn't belong in Supes' Rouges Gallery. End of Rant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZGangsta 0 Report post Posted May 12, 2006 ^Completely true. Plus, as awesome a special effects fest a Superman/Darkseid/Apokalypse/New Gods movie would be, I don't really think it would work. I think you have to stay away from making Superman movies too much Science Fiction. I mean, sure it's Superman and there's some really great science fiction Superman tales out there, I think for the movies at least, you have to keep him more down-to-earth than in the comics. Plus there's enough great Superman stories that are less science fiction that could inspire dozens of movies before needing to fall back on that space battles and aliens and the like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2006 One only needs to read the classic Alan Moore tale "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" to see how good Superman's rogue's gallery really is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daileyxplanet 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2006 I NEED Superman killed by Doomsday on the big screen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2006 (edited) Good Superman Villains: Lex Luthor Brainiac Doomsday Metallo Mongul The Parasite (At least, in my opinion) and Intergang (Which could be cool as a potential lead-in to Darkseid) That's a fairly good Rogue's Gallery there. Edited May 13, 2006 by Justice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2006 Good Superman Villains: Lex Luthor Brainiac Doomsday Metallo Mongul The Parasite (At least, in my opinion) and Intergang (Which could be cool as a potential lead-in to Darkseid) That's a fairly good Rogue's Gallery there. I'm guessing that this isn't counting the Animated Series original creation of Livewire, right? She, in my opinion, seemed neat. But maybe that's just me. Oh, and I forgot about Mongul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonathon 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2006 I'd throw Bizarro in that mix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2006 One only needs to read the classic Alan Moore tale "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" to see how good Superman's rogue's gallery really is. Or rather potentially how good they can be. Moore gave most of those villains on that story a mean streak, an edge so to speak that they lacked in all their previous showings. I think it was Lois or Supes himself that said that before that fateful day all of them were nothing more than nuisances. That's exactly what most of Superman's rouge gallery really are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2006 One only needs to read the classic Alan Moore tale "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" to see how good Superman's rogue's gallery really is. Or rather potentially how good they can be. Moore gave most of those villains on that story a mean streak, an edge so to speak that they lacked in all their previous showings. I think it was Lois or Supes himself that said that before that fateful day all of them were nothing more than nuisances. That's exactly what most of Superman's rouge gallery really are. There's no reason they couldn't be that way in a movie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted May 17, 2006 That's a cool looking poster right there. I kinda get an Alex Ross vibe with that pose. Anybody agree? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2006 http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbol/uk/movies/s...lrf3_qt_500.mov International version. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FroGG_NeaL 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2006 That's a cool looking poster right there. I kinda get an Alex Ross vibe with that pose. Anybody agree? Same thing I thought a soon as I looked at it. This movie will own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2006 Not sure if its been reported otherwise, but I just found out today that SR is going to be in 3-D at IMAX locations. Rock f'n on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2006 I dunno, I just don't get why people think this is going to be so good from viewing the trailer. The trailer looks alright, but it doesn't look spectacular, just updated effects, but the plot certainly doesn't wow me. I am much more interested in X-Men 3....(this friday) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites