Shawn Michaels is the greatest wrestler in WWE History...

[Jericho2000Mark 0]

Correction, Bret>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shawn

 

On the mic, in the ring, drawing, everything besides being a douchebag prick.

[cabbageboy 0]

Is GoldenKlose really a troll though? I'd say more of a flat out mark who hadn't posted before. A troll is someone who actually knows what they are doing.

[World's Worst Man 0]

Toshiaki Kawada > Shawn Michaels.

[Golgo 13 0]

Is GoldenKlose really a troll though? I'd say more of a flat out mark who hadn't posted before. A troll is someone who actually knows what they are doing.

 

"This is a mother fuckin shoot"

 

"I'm the best motha fucka around here and i aint workin my way up to elite status... I BEGAN THERE."

 

From his thread in NHB. Troll.

[World's Worst Man 0]

Anyone who claims Shawn Michaels is the greatest wrestler in wrestling history deserves to be banned on principle.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Well I knew that! You have to put it in this thread though:

 

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?showtopic=78973

 

It makes me quite sad to see a locked & pinned thread that has gone neglected and unused for so long.

 

See, like this:

 

7/6/06

GoldenKlose38

He was an obvious troll.

 

Just copy and paste, PLEASE.

 

As you wish.

[MFer 0]

HBK is one of my favorites, however, he falls more intp the category of best entertainers and not necessarily wrestlers. I think his wrestling ability is a little overstated b/c of the way he draws a crowd into his matches. I personally would say (keep in mind I've only been watching wrestling full-time since late 2000 and have not seen much TNA or any ROH) that Kurt Angle is the greatest wrestler of all time.

[Guest wildpegasus]

If someone thinks Michaels is the best prowrestler ever than I have no problem with it. To that particular person he is the best wrestler ever. He isn't to me but I don't mind someone thinking that.

 

 

Now what I don't understand is a couple of comments in this thread about there being a difference between a preformor and a wrestler. What I mean, is ???????????????? Explain yourself please.

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

Kenta Kobashi would chop Shawn Michaels into oblivion... and then drop him on his head for shits and giggles.

[benn 0]

By performer they mean someone like The Rock, who got over primarily because of his charisma rather than wrestling skills. By wrestler they mean someone like Chris Benoit, who got over primarily because of his technical skills. Seems kinda obvious to me.

[King Cucaracha 0]

It's not so much that.

 

Michaels has had a bunch of matches and performances that were very entertaining, but not neccessarily wrestling masterclasses. He's one of the more entertaining workers in the past decade, but you wouldn't call him a superb 'wrestler'. Wrestler meant in the pure wrestling sense, I guess.

[Dark Age 0]

I'd say performer and wrestler go hand in hand, really.

[Black Lushus 0]

I'd say performer and wrestler go hand in hand, really.

 

I agree...the performance part IS a part of the overall package...here in he US, anyway.

[chaosrage 0]

HBK is one of my favorites, however, he falls more intp the category of best entertainers and not necessarily wrestlers.

 

There is no difference. The man who puts on the most entertaining matches also puts on the best matches.

[Masked Man of Mystery 0]

HBK is one of my favorites, however, he falls more intp the category of best entertainers and not necessarily wrestlers.

 

There is no difference. The man who puts on the most entertaining matches also puts on the best matches.

Well then, that's awful subjective. Hulk Hogan entertains millions, but I would rather see Chris Benoit wrestle.

[chaosrage 0]

Well then, that's awful subjective. Hulk Hogan entertains millions, but I would rather see Chris Benoit wrestle.

 

Yep, it's all subjective. Lots of people even here call Hogan/Warrior and Hogan/Andre two of the best matches ever. I don't understand it a bit.

 

I like Rudo's article on what wrestling is all about. http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...p;showentry=537 I know you read it because you responded to it, but everyone should read it.

[Guest JumpinJackFlash]

I can't believe there's no Eddie love.

He could wrestle just about as good as Benoit and be able to entertain and get the entire building into it when he started cheating. It's genius!

[World's Worst Man 0]

Well then, that's awful subjective. Hulk Hogan entertains millions, but I would rather see Chris Benoit wrestle.

 

Yep, it's all subjective. Lots of people even here call Hogan/Warrior and Hogan/Andre two of the best matches ever. I don't understand it a bit.

 

I like Rudo's article on what wrestling is all about. http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...p;showentry=537 I know you read it because you responded to it, but everyone should read it.

 

That's just a personal opinion on what good wrestling is, erroneously dressed up as a fact. Presenting something the audience enjoys certainly makes for successful wrestling, and that's something that's fairly objective. But to many, quality and success are not one in the same (and in fact, using the argument that a proposition is true because many people believe it, is a fallacious argument). So what it really comes down to is how much a person knows about what they're talking about and how strong their argument is. One uses facts to support their opinion, but how those facts are understood or prioritized can vary wildly from one person to the next.

[Guest wildpegasus]

By performer they mean someone like The Rock, who got over primarily because of his charisma rather than wrestling skills. By wrestler they mean someone like Chris Benoit, who got over primarily because of his technical skills. Seems kinda obvious to me.

 

Yeah, Rock got over tonnes on his charisma but we can't discount his wrestling ability either. I would say he was pretty good in there. Yes, he was sloppy and the people's elbow was horrible but he did have really good timing, played to the crowd in the ring and was energetic in there as well. He was also game at trying out new stuff. He's got a really good resume there with several barn burners against Benoit and some of the best WWF/WWE matches ever with Jericho and Austin. He was a much better face than heel however.

[Shanghai Kid 0]

What makes a great wrestler is completely up to the individual and what entertains them and what their looking for. Their are many people who will go to their grave with the opinion that Hulk Hogan is the greatest wrestler of all time. Their are many people who don't get into what Chris Benoit provides because it's not charismatic or entertaining enough for them. "Quality" is as subjective in wrestling as it is anything else. On a WWE board I don't think their should be an uprising of "why this is ridiculas" to the notion of Shawn Michaels being the best wrestler of all time. I'm pretty sure their is more than 1 person who thinks that, maybe cause they only watch WWE.

[BigDawgCarl 0]

FLAME WAR!! FLAME WAR!! BAH GAWD THIS THING IS BREAKING DOWN HERE IN TSM!!

 

Seriously, there will never be a definitive "greatest wrestler ever," because it's all a work. Even though it's still real to some, dammit, we'll never really find out...but if it was real Austin wins hands down.

[The Niggardly King 0]

The correct answer would be UMAGA