NFL Week 2

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Packers vs. Raiders - Who Wins?

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Packers vs. Raiders - Who Wins?

 

Definitely not the fans.

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In a development that should help the Saints' chances, Green Bay traded Samkon Gado to the Texans for a handful of magic beans, er, some unknown RB named Vernand Morency.

 

 

 

Morency is, like Gado, a 2nd-year RB.

 

The difference is that Morency has only gained 197 yards and 2 TDs in his career, while Gado has rushed for about 600 yards and 6 TDs in 9 total games.

 

 

 

While this helps Gado out by getting him touches, does anyone else think that the Pack just got bent over by the Texans of all teams?

[Guest Felonies!]

BAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Gado was one of their better-looking prospects, I think.

 

Packers vs. Raiders - Who Wins?

 

Definitely not the fans.

Somewhere in here, there's a joke about skullfucking.

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In a development that should help the Saints' chances, Green Bay traded Samkon Gado to the Texans for a handful of magic beans, er, some unknown RB named Vernand Morency.

 

 

 

Morency is, like Gado, a 2nd-year RB.

 

The difference is that Morency has only gained 197 yards and 2 TDs in his career, while Gado has rushed for about 600 yards and 6 TDs in 9 total games.

 

 

 

While this helps Gado out by getting him touches, does anyone else think that the Pack just got bent over by the Texans of all teams?

 

I'm guessing Morency lost favor with Kubiak and his Denver Broncos style running attack. I can see Gado becoming a star with that style, if Kubiak was actually able to pull it off well. As for Morency, how often has he started a game? Didn't he have to battle Domanick Davis for time? This way Green Bay gets insurance for Ahman Green and Houston gets the HB they think they wanted.

[teke184 0]

In a development that should help the Saints' chances, Green Bay traded Samkon Gado to the Texans for a handful of magic beans, er, some unknown RB named Vernand Morency.

 

 

 

Morency is, like Gado, a 2nd-year RB.

 

The difference is that Morency has only gained 197 yards and 2 TDs in his career, while Gado has rushed for about 600 yards and 6 TDs in 9 total games.

 

 

 

While this helps Gado out by getting him touches, does anyone else think that the Pack just got bent over by the Texans of all teams?

 

I'm guessing Morency lost favor with Kubiak and his Denver Broncos style running attack. I can see Gado becoming a star with that style, if Kubiak was actually able to pull it off well. As for Morency, how often has he started a game? Didn't he have to battle Domanick Davis for time? This way Green Bay gets insurance for Ahman Green and Houston gets the HB they think they wanted.

Morency started a game or two last year as well as the first one of this year, IIRC.

 

 

Also, it's not that Morency's a bad player as much as a straight-up swap for the two of them would be VERY lop-sided in the Texans' favor, as Gado put up good numbers for a bad team during the regular season while Morency's done little on a different bad offense.

 

If the Packers didn't pick up cash consideration or a late-round pick, I'll stand by my current assessment.

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Some teams/people trade on potential. It could be more like:

 

Houston gets that 600 yard rusher Gado to be the starter, with Davis down with injury. Green Bay, already having Ahman Green who looked good vs Bears, got a backup who COULD be good when his time comes to start.

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Local NFL writer has said several times that Kubiak and his staff haven't been too excited about Morency's future prospects, so I'm sure they had no problem with swapping him for anyone that they think might be able to help them.

 

Of course, the local conspiracy theorists are already speculating that they're trying to cover their ass for passing on Bush in the draft--that this is just a sign that they know they have shit at running back but are afraid to admit they might have made a mistake.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I'm still standing by my preseason pick of the Jets ending up as the worst team in the league, but I'm starting to lean Raiders. I'm not jumping ship quite yet, because I know Pennington won't make it ten games.

[teke184 0]

I'm still standing by my preseason pick of the Jets ending up as the worst team in the league, but I'm starting to lean Raiders. I'm not jumping ship quite yet, because I know Pennington won't make it ten games.

 

The way things are going around the Titans front office, the Jets may end up getting Volek as their backup for little or nothing in return.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Yeah I don't agree with the Gado trade mostly because of one thing- Najeh Davenport. When he was released, I figured the purpose of it was because Samkon Gado was better, faster kind of running back that Najeh was, and not as injury-prone while still having a bruising style of play similar to Davenport's. Ahman Green has asthma, so they used Najeh between the 40's and sometimes at the goal line to relieve Green. Unless Morency is also a bruiser and can play mop-up crossing the 50, this doesn't really make any sense, especially considering that fullback Vonta Leach, who didn't do too bad a job starting in place of William Henderson on Sunday, was released. What was a decent backfield at the start of preseason all of a sudden is now spectacularly thin and one Ahman Green injury or costly fumble away from total disaster.

 

I don't think any of this makes any sense, and the sudden front office moves this week are a bit scary considering it definitely seems like Ted Thompson's panicking after last week. Gado was a hero to cheeseheads, and a really nice story, a good guy who liked playing in Green Bay, which not many people seem to nowadays (understandably so). I hate losing him, and I think the Texans made out like bandits here. Gado will star with them.

 

However, if I understand correctly, wasn't Morency a good returner as well? Signing Koren Robinson along with trading for Morency could just mean that they're looking for help in the return game, which makes a lot of sense since field position is crucial for a team that's currently struggling to find its rhythm on offense.

[snuffbox 0]

It was lame to read about the Gado trade across the ticker...he was definitly one of the few brightspots on this dreadful team.

[naiwf 0]

Jeopardy is an understatement. The Saints should beat GB by at least 10.

How?

 

Oh wait a minute, I forgot they have Drew Brees and Joe Horn. But NO's defense is not anywhere near as good as Chicago's. And neither is their offensive line. Again, while GB is nowhere near one of the better teams in the league, they're not the worst. One severely overrated college star does not make NO a good team all of a sudden that can come into Lambeau and win by 10.

 

A single lineman, Brees, Bush, Horn and Deuce by themselves could probably score on your 'D'. Your offense is anemic, and as much as I love Favre he's more likely to throw 3 picks than 1 TD. I'm being generous when I say the Pack might keep this one within 10. I'm guessing it'll be more along the lines of 21-3 or 24-7.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I wouldn't be surprised if New Orleans won mind you, but to say they'll blowout Green Bay is presumptous after only one week of the season gone by. For all intents and purposes however, it sure as hell seems like there are a great many teams that get buried after a horrible Week 1 outing.

 

Y'know, I'll make a list of what I think of the rest of the NFL. This is my personal opinion, but take it as you will:

 

The Elite

Pittsburgh Steelers

New England Patriots

Carolina Panthers (despite their Week 1 performance)

Indianapolis Colts

Cincinnati Bengals

Chicago Bears (God I hate saying this but it's true..)

 

Possible Contenders

Jacksonville Jaguars

Seattle Seahawks

Miami Dolphins

San Diego Chargers

Atlanta Falcons (if they continue to play as well as they did Week 1 against good defenses.. Vick could cause them to go down a category also)

Philadelphia Eagles (also could go up or down depending on how the QB holds up)

Denver Broncos (I don't think they're as bad as they showed Week 1)

St. Louis Rams (I don't think they're as good as they showed Week 1)

NY Giants

 

Maybe playoffs/good, but not great

Dallas Cowboys

Washington Redskins

Minnesota Vikings

Kansas City Chiefs (goes down a category if Green is out for a significant time)

Baltimore Ravens

Arizona Cardinals (I don't think we know really how good or bad they quite are yet, though..)

 

Mediocre

Cleveland Browns

Houston Texans (if their offensive line was any better they'd go up a cateogry)

Detroit Lions (coaching could help make this go up)

New Orleans Saints (They're the NFC's Texans)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (especially with Chris Simms at QB and with an aging defense)

 

The Scrap Heap

Buffalo Bills

New York Jets

Oakland Raiders

Tennessee Titans

San Francisco 49ers

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The few ones I disagree with are...

 

Bears (worse; a contender at best)

Seahawks (better)

Eagles (worse)

Rams (worse; certainly not better than the Cowboys, Skins, Ravens)

Falcons (worse)

Texans (worse)

 

And again, if that's a ranking, the 49ers are not the worst team in the league. There are teams that are 2-3 years away from even climbing out of the cellar -- the 49ers could be a 7-9/8-8 team next season. They ridded themselves out of a whole bunch of useless players and are now plugging up the holes.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Name ten starting RBs better than Thomas Jones.

 

Go.

[CanadianChris 0]

LaDainian Tomlinson

Shaun Alexander

Edgerrin James

Larry Johnson

Tiki Barber

Jamal Lewis

Clinton Portis

Deuce McAllister

Willis McGahee

Willie Parker

[cabbageboy 0]

What, no Dominic Rhodes?

 

I don't know if the Patriots are really an elite team at this point. They are losing way too many guys. I mean good grief, they damn near lost at home to the BILLS, if not for JP Losman being a moron and getting a safety. Yeah, they can still sneak by uninspired teams like Buffalo and the Jets, but I don't think they are a serious threat. They can win the division, but is it that hard to beat out the Jets, Bills, and Dante Culpepper?

 

Speaking of Culpepper, it's interesting that so many people slept on the Vikings. They were mostly terrible with Culpepper last year, but they were something like 6-2 with Brad Johnson. I took a look at their schedule and I'm thinking with some luck they can go about 11-5.

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Packers vs. Raiders - Who Wins?

 

Definitely not the fans.

 

if ever the Aliens vs. Predator movie tagline was appropriate...

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

LaDainian Tomlinson

Shaun Alexander

Edgerrin James

Larry Johnson

Tiki Barber

Jamal Lewis

Clinton Portis

Deuce McAllister

Willis McGahee

Willie Parker

 

I take exception only to McGahee.

 

I challenged a friend of mine to name fifteen better RBs after he claimed Jones stunk, and that they'd be better off running a wounded and unproven Benson.

[Guest Princess Leena]

How is McGahee an exception.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Lack of experience and durability. He'd leave Jones in the dust in a flat out sprint, but McGahee's not much of a blocker, and doesn't pound the middle as well.

 

Better athlete sure, but better RB is debatable at best.

[Guest Princess Leena]

McGahee, in his heavy weight the last 2 years, was very strong at breaking tackles. No RB in the league could pound the middle with an OLine consisting of 7th round scrubs, other team's released crap, and the only 1st round pick turning emo.

[Guest Vitamin X]

The few ones I disagree with are...

 

Bears (worse; a contender at best)

Seahawks (better)

Eagles (worse)

Rams (worse; certainly not better than the Cowboys, Skins, Ravens)

Falcons (worse)

Texans (worse)

 

And again, if that's a ranking, the 49ers are not the worst team in the league. There are teams that are 2-3 years away from even climbing out of the cellar -- the 49ers could be a 7-9/8-8 team next season. They ridded themselves out of a whole bunch of useless players and are now plugging up the holes.

 

Oh, it's not a ranking, I just took the names off of a list of teams and put em where I think they belong. I don't believe in rankings. I don't think the Seahawks look very good based off of their last game (one of the best offenses in the league besting the Lions in a 9-6 game? Come on now). The Falcons looked good last week, especially beating the Panthers in Carolina. And I know it was only the Packers, but if Rex Grossman can remain healthy and with arguably the league's best defense, maybe the Bears will have some offense, and all they need is some semblance of it to be one of the best teams. Cowboys, Skins, and Ravens have been severely overrated by the media; especially if the Cowboys are going to have a QB controversy in addition to whatever drama TO will bring. Skins and Ravens will come back down to earth against better teams, but coaching on the Skins' part will keep them in. And what's the argument for the Texans? They've got a decent defense, and great skill positions on offense, despite their terrible offensive line. You're not one of those people who are still bashing them for making the smart move and taking Williams over Bush, are ya?

 

And I agree with you; in fact, I feel a lot of people may have been sleeping on the Niners this year. I think they'll be closer to what you said may be the case next season, this season. Losing two of the guys on the offensive line really hurts them, though.

 

Name ten starting RBs better than Thomas Jones.

 

Go.

 

LaDainian Tomlinson

Shaun Alexander

Edgerrin James

Larry Johnson

Tiki Barber

Jamal Lewis

Clinton Portis

Deuce McAllister

Willis McGahee

Willie Parker

 

Also, Ahman Green, who ran for more yards against the Bears then Jones did against the Packers. Says a lot. I don't know if Willie Parker belongs on this list, either.

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DEUCE MCALLISTER? The guy that can't help but break a bone somewhere in his body every year?

 

I mean, sure, when healthy, he's better but he never is healthy.

[Guest Princess Leena]

Apparently the problem with Gado is that he couldn't adjust to the zone blocking scheme. Which requires more shiftiness, and finding a crease by yourself, instead of just following Henderson like he did most of last year. Plus, Gado is VERY raw. He can't pass block at all. I agree he has potential, his handful of strong performances last year don't lie... but, his value is boosted a lot by most because he's a "fan favorite".

 

The problem is that Houston also runs the zone blocking scheme, even with Sherman there now.

 

As for Morency, he's definitely more of a shifty back. And a much, much better option in the passing game. Good blocker, and very good receiver for a RB. That's probably why GB wanted him, and even more so as a replacement for Fisher.

[KingPK 0]

I don't know if the Patriots are really an elite team at this point. They are losing way too many guys. I mean good grief, they damn near lost at home to the BILLS, if not for JP Losman being a moron and getting a safety. Yeah, they can still sneak by uninspired teams like Buffalo and the Jets, but I don't think they are a serious threat. They can win the division, but is it that hard to beat out the Jets, Bills, and Dante Culpepper?

 

I watched the game again last night, and it really boiled down to the Patriots having a REAL bad first half and Brady having a bad game overall (partly caused by the whole Branch situation according to him). After that 4th down stop, the Bills had no shot and were dominated the rest of the game (they gained something like 3 yards total after that). The Bills defense actually had a pretty damn good game as they had guys flying all over the field and getting free on the outside for hits on Brady. If Losman can be halfway competent for the entire game, they might be one of those "Yeah they aren't that good, but they sure ain't a pushover" kind of team.

[Red Baron 0]

Buffalo's O-line played pretty good for themselves.

[Hawk 34 0]

How exactly did Rudi Johnson get left off and yet Willie Parker was included?

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Looks like a lot of blowouts this week.