WWE/Cena...

[Mike wanna be 0]

One fan holding a sign can grow into hundreds over weeks. Why risk things.

Where, then, do you draw the line? Do you not allow people to chant against your top face? Do you have to bring proof of purchase showing $50 in John Cena merchandise to get in?

 

Just think how shitty Rocky Maivia would've turned out if we were forced into watching his blue-chipper Rocky persona for a half decade, because people weren't allowed to voice their opinions on thinking he sucked, and the Die Rocky Die sign never got through.

 

Long, convoluted rant short; you can't intelligently have announcers hype the guy as "controversial" and "either you like him or you don't and he don't give a damn either way" while you're secretly piling blankets to cover the pile of dissatisfied ticketholders by taking their non-obtrusive, non-vulgar signs away from them.

[Guest Kobe24KGold]

Yes, because blatantly lying to your consumers has historically turned out to be a great tactic.

 

No one ever said it was or wasn't.

 

I hope they keep pushing Cena as a face, and maybe something new will happen with the fans.

 

 

What do you mean by something new?

 

I'm curious to see how far they can take this with the fans that do hate him this much, and see how they keep reacting. That alone makes the company more interesting than in years.

If you're uninteresting enough for long enough, I guess anything can be construed as interesting.

 

On the sign topic, I ask just one question:

If the overness of John Cena is jeopardized by one guy holding a sign implying that he "fears workrate", how good a job can creative possibly be doing?

 

True.

 

I don't know if many of the posters here bothered to notice, but last Monday on RAW, at Montreal, the WWE (read: Vince) was hellbent on making sure Edge didn't get cheered. What happened? Edge trashed Montreal in an effort to get the fans to rally behind Cena. Did they? Maybe for a split second a la a 'Pavlovian Dog' effect. Hell No. Cena was received with INDIFFERENCE during the main-event. That's the worst kind of heat possible.

 

So, my prediction is...if Vince refuses to turn Cena heel, the haters, or anybody else for that matter, will stop caring. At that point, Cena's matches won't garner the reactions they do now, to say the least.

[Scroby 0]

You guys do know WWE has been taking signs from people for years right? Its not like this is the first time it's ever happen. It's not "stepping over the line" and this also doesn't deserve it's own thread.

[Brett Favre 0]

But it's Cena, so lets all get angry. AARGH!

[Guest Princess Leena]

Where, then, do you draw the line? Do you not allow people to chant against your top face? Do you have to bring proof of purchase showing $50 in John Cena merchandise to get in?

There's a difference between a crowd booing Cena, and signs implying he's a poor wrestler. And we know that every smark out there agrees, and will create more of these signs.

 

I know that HHH said that Cena is poor wrestler, and Cena basically agreed. I'm not going to try figuring out WWE logic. But, it's well within WWE's rights to control these things.

[Guest droptoehold]

Keep doing that. Keep trying to hide his weakness

while it's being talked about. Make the internet

hate him even more, while pushing him even higher.

Let Hogan job to him then put him in an angle involving

eddie guerrero.

 

just use cena as the one to drive the "innanet" nuts

 

i love it. love or hate it he still gets the most talk

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Cena was received with INDIFFERENCE during the main-event. That's the worst kind of heat possible.

The crowd was dead for *everyone* in that match, not just Cena. I blame the fact that it was a supershow more than that opening Edge/Cena segment.

[Ginger Snaps 0]

Cena's not even in the top ten worst wrestlers in the company.

 

And if you include ECW, that number grows even higher.

[Guest Kobe24KGold]

Cena's not even in the top ten worst wrestlers in the company.

 

And if you include ECW, that number grows even higher.

 

 

Cena, along with Edge, has been bringing the goods on PPV the most consistently the past year or two.

 

He's improved a lot.

[garfieldsnose 0]

you don't have to be a great wrestler to get over with the fans. and don't even tell me that being a good wrestler WILL get you over with fans, look at the likes of lance storm, the only people that liked him were internet smarks. he was boring as hell before people started caring enough to give him a gimmick.

 

 

EDIT: to back up my claim, people like samoa joe because he comes off as a badass who takes no shit. that's a gimmick, stuff like that gets over with the fans. if you just go out there and wrestle and just shake hands with no personality at all, people will not care.

[RonL21 0]

My problem isnt with Cena...In the past the WWF/E would turn a guy face/heel if the crowd turned on him unexpectedly...Like with The Rock/Stone Cold...And if the crowd didnt respond you would be phased out...I honestly think that Cena is dying to turn heel but Vince wants him to hold it out a while longer....I just think people are getting tired of the angles that if this were 1999 would have been scrapped months ago....Cena shoulda turn heel a long time ago....DX..I was dying for them to come back but jeez how many weeks in a row did they fight the spirt squad...It's kinda WCWish...The main event scene has been the same for far too long excluding Edge who I think waited his turn...

[RonL21 0]

Cena's not even in the top ten worst wrestlers in the company.

 

And if you include ECW, that number grows even higher.

 

 

Cena, along with Edge, has been bringing the goods on PPV the most consistently the past year or two.

 

He's improved a lot.

The Top 5 matches this year....Edge is in 4 of them....

[Just John 0]

I like Edge a lot, but I don't agree with that statement.

[Guest East.Coast.J]

It isn't over the line at all. The bottom line is that WWE runs the show and they have the right to take any sign that they want. It's not like it is a "Cena Sucks" sign or anything, it is a sign some geek brought trying to get over with the folks on the internet at the expense of the show.

[Fökai 0]

Just think how shitty Rocky Maivia would've turned out if we were forced into watching his blue-chipper Rocky persona for a half decade, because people weren't allowed to voice their opinions on thinking he sucked, and the Die Rocky Die sign never got through.

He was a midcarder who didn't draw a dime to that point. He was also on the brink of being released before a few people stepped in for him. Let's get serious here.

[Guest Kobe24KGold]

Just think how shitty Rocky Maivia would've turned out if we were forced into watching his blue-chipper Rocky persona for a half decade, because people weren't allowed to voice their opinions on thinking he sucked, and the Die Rocky Die sign never got through.

He was a midcarder who didn't draw a dime to that point. He was also on the brink of being released before a few people stepped in for him. Let's get serious here.

 

 

PUH-LEASE.

 

How old were you in February/March of 1997?

 

That "Die Rocky Die" phase was about 3 or 4 months into Rocky's career.

 

3 or 4 months, from the time he debuted at the 1996 Survivor Series.

 

You think they were going to release him 3 months into his contract? A THIRD GENERATION WRESTLER? Just look at all the CHANCES upon CHANCES a SECOND Generation turd like Randy Orton has gotten.

 

Not only that, but do you actually expect a wrestler who is three months into his contract, let alone one who made his WRESTLING DEBUT (read: a rookie) three months ago, from that time period, actually expected to ALREADY make money?

 

Stop before you embarass yourself.

[Guest Human Highlight Reel]

Actually, there was talk of releasing Rocky during the fan backlash against him. You have to remember that this was the Monday Night Wars. If something wasn't working they needed to cut it, or people would turn over to WCW. They didn't have the luxery they do now of most fans percieving them as the only game in town, so they couldn't just do whatever they wanted.

[tominator89 0]

I think WWE should be thrilled that someone would buy a ticket and care enough to make a sign. I can't even be bothered to watch the shows at home for free.

[JHawk 0]

Hell, they took an anti-Hogan sign away from me one night when they brought the nWo back, and Hogan was a heel at the time.

 

In other words, I can't say I'm surprised.

[Guest Hemme]

I'm glad they took the stupid, wanky little Smarky shits sign away.

[RonL21 0]

I wouldnt have a problem with them taking the sign if they werent so adamant about the WWE having the best fans who pay their money and cheer who they want. Clearly, as I said earlier, they only say this when the crowd isnt doing what they want them to do. What they might as well say is "Hey folks you come to our shows and cheer who you want, we'll fixed it in the editing room later"...Like I said Cena doesnt bother me and I honestly dont think he bothers anyone else...It's the way that he is protected that bothers everyone....Giving Cena clean losses wont hurt if the match is booked properly...I always thought that WCW did this perfectly with Diamond Dallas Page...In 96 DDP use to lose matches but they made him look good in the process that he got ridiculously over with crowd...If Cena would put out a great match and lose cleanly to a heel..Cena and the WWE will only be doing what they should have done a long time ago. I actually think Cena is dying to turn heel but Vince aint ready to pull the trigger...You can tell Cena is actually a little uneasy about being put in situations like he was last week...

[Jericholic82 0]

what you're surprised? wwe used to do this with anti -rock signs from 2001-2003 (remember there was a pretty big rock backlash after his face run started to grow stale in late 2000) I saw it personally.

 

 

actually its the same thing especially with smarky fans. Cena was a darling of the net for most of his 2003 heel run, but after he turned face they started getting restless, then eventually turned on him totally in 2005.

 

my point is smarks hate to cheer faces, period. It's like your favorite band, then nobody knows about, getting a big record deal and suddenly being on MTV and on the charts, now they're not "cool" anymore and "sellouts"

 

most marks persay are younger kids and they mostly like cena, cuz the whole hip-hop/rap culture thing is "cool" to the average white kid now. I dont think they are many" marks" who are hating cena.

 

of course the requisite comments about teenage girls (the same reason people started hating on the hardys in 2001)

 

 

sure Cena can use a heel turn, if it continues this way hell get one, but not until after the movie comes out of course (big reason he isnt a heel, he moves alot of merc.)

[Guest Felonies!]

If it means so much to the wwe to protect Cena from this sign...why do they continue to push him as a face? Can anyone give a real answer to this? And I don't count Leena's 'they can do whatever they wanna' responses as actual answers.

Yeah well if you don't like it, don't watch!

[The Niggardly King 0]

Just think how shitty Rocky Maivia would've turned out if we were forced into watching his blue-chipper Rocky persona for a half decade, because people weren't allowed to voice their opinions on thinking he sucked, and the Die Rocky Die sign never got through.

He was a midcarder who didn't draw a dime to that point. He was also on the brink of being released before a few people stepped in for him. Let's get serious here.

 

 

PUH-LEASE.

 

How old were you in February/March of 1997?

 

That "Die Rocky Die" phase was about 3 or 4 months into Rocky's career.

 

3 or 4 months, from the time he debuted at the 1996 Survivor Series.

 

You think they were going to release him 3 months into his contract? A THIRD GENERATION WRESTLER? Just look at all the CHANCES upon CHANCES a SECOND Generation turd like Randy Orton has gotten.

 

Not only that, but do you actually expect a wrestler who is three months into his contract, let alone one who made his WRESTLING DEBUT (read: a rookie) three months ago, from that time period, actually expected to ALREADY make money?

 

Stop before you embarass yourself.

 

Actually, pretty much everyone had given up on The Rock, and even Mick Foley said to Vince that he should just cut his losses with him. Bret Hart is truly the only one around that time to go to Vince and say that he thinks if they show more confidence and stick with him... that he could end up being the greatest WWF superstar of all time. I think Mick Foley even talks about this in one of his books.

 

If it means so much to the wwe to protect Cena from this sign...why do they continue to push him as a face? Can anyone give a real answer to this? And I don't count Leena's 'they can do whatever they wanna' responses as actual answers.

 

Because it might potentially hurt the demographic that he brings to the table. Plus, he's always doing promotional work, might be the company's best full time spokesman, and they consider him to be the hardest worker outside of the ring with his schedule since Bret Hart. Turning him heel might ruin those appearances that he gets outside of the ring and all the other stuff with merchandise.

 

They are very afraid of that happening.

[Guest Diablo_Dor]

You guys do know WWE has been taking signs from people for years right? Its not like this is the first time it's ever happen. It's not "stepping over the line" and this also doesn't deserve it's own thread.

 

And lets not forget that the head writer of this company once admitted to having a boob job cause a sign said:

 

"Steph your boobs are drooping"

 

pretending that this is something that you can change or hell, even something new for this bunch of Titanic Deckchair Rearrangers really shows you haven't been paying attention over the last 5 years.

[RonL21 0]

Just think how shitty Rocky Maivia would've turned out if we were forced into watching his blue-chipper Rocky persona for a half decade, because people weren't allowed to voice their opinions on thinking he sucked, and the Die Rocky Die sign never got through.

He was a midcarder who didn't draw a dime to that point. He was also on the brink of being released before a few people stepped in for him. Let's get serious here.

 

 

PUH-LEASE.

 

How old were you in February/March of 1997?

 

That "Die Rocky Die" phase was about 3 or 4 months into Rocky's career.

 

3 or 4 months, from the time he debuted at the 1996 Survivor Series.

 

You think they were going to release him 3 months into his contract? A THIRD GENERATION WRESTLER? Just look at all the CHANCES upon CHANCES a SECOND Generation turd like Randy Orton has gotten.

 

Not only that, but do you actually expect a wrestler who is three months into his contract, let alone one who made his WRESTLING DEBUT (read: a rookie) three months ago, from that time period, actually expected to ALREADY make money?

 

Stop before you embarass yourself.

 

Actually, pretty much everyone had given up on The Rock, and even Mick Foley said to Vince that he should just cut his losses with him. Bret Hart is truly the only one around that time to go to Vince and say that he thinks if they show more confidence and stick with him... that he could end up being the greatest WWF superstar of all time. I think Mick Foley even talks about this in one of his books.

 

If it means so much to the wwe to protect Cena from this sign...why do they continue to push him as a face? Can anyone give a real answer to this? And I don't count Leena's 'they can do whatever they wanna' responses as actual answers.

 

Because it might potentially hurt the demographic that he brings to the table. Plus, he's always doing promotional work, might be the company's best full time spokesman, and they consider him to be the hardest worker outside of the ring with his schedule since Bret Hart. Turning him heel might ruin those appearances that he gets outside of the ring and all the other stuff with merchandise.

 

They are very afraid of that happening.

I agree with everything you said..and i remember reading that about Bret hart sticking up for the Rock...But I think that is more of the 80s boom with the top face being the spokesperson for the company and what not....the Attitude Era and 90s boom the face/heel agenda changed...People now pretty much know wrestlers are portraying characters. Not naive like the 80s where kayfabe was holy...I like watching wrestlers do interviews as themselves outside of wrestling

[Enigma 0]

"I've Cena Nuff"

[Guest Diablo_Dor]

"I've Cena Nuff"

 

Cuck Fena

[Toshiaki Koala 0]

Cena's really not a bad worker at all. Remember when someone brought a sign with just a big swastika on it?

 

Just look at all the CHANCES upon CHANCES a SECOND Generation turd like Randy Orton has gotten.

 

Orton is a third-generation wrestler. Maybe people get confused because both of the previous Ortons were named Bob.