NBA Roundtable Discussion

[alfdogg 0]

MVP - Dirk.

 

Sixth Man - Barbosa. David Lee is another name to throw out there, though, I think he's mostly come off the bench. And Danny Granger, before the big trade with GS.

 

ROY - Roy. It's really not close.

 

DPOTY - Jermaine O'Neal. If Ripper can pick his guys, so can I, dammit.

 

COTY - Jerry Sloan. He's never actually won it before, has he? I think he deserves it once. For someone who hasn't been named, I'd throw Don Nelson's name out, as well. He's threatening to put the Golden State Warriors in the playoffs, for Christ's sake.

 

Exec - B. Colangelo. Again, not really close.

 

Most Improved - Kevin Martin. Some new names to throw out: Mo Williams, Tyson Chandler, Andre Igoudala (who particularly has been tearing it up since the trade).

[Ripper 0]

Hey, I am not just putting my guys in there. I really think they are defensive player of the year material. marion is in the top 5 in steals and top 20 in blocks, and is number 10 in rebounds(a true defensive stat if you ask me) things that don't show up wise, he get ALOT of deflections and generally guards the other teams best offensive player. I mean, he did a monster job in one week shutting out Tracy Mcgrady and dirk(as much as you can shut out dirk) while also switching to who ever else got hot in those games.

 

Josh smith IMO is the best shotblocker in the league, and Jermaine O'neal only blocks .4 more shots than him. And he is playing at the SF position. he guards 3 positions nightly, is number 19 in steals and is just a plain game changer on the defensive end. Hell, you saw him in that blowout indiana win the other night. He had 4 blocks and would have had at least 4 more if not for guards reaching downlow and getting cheap fouls.

 

Jermaine blocks shots from the weakend and rebounds pretty well... I am sorry but he isn't in these two guys league right now.

[alfdogg 0]

I was being sarcastic, Ripper.

 

Honestly, I do think Josh Smith is probably the frontrunner. The guy overall is just a freakish talent. I just thought Jermaine should be mentioned, because he has made improvements defensively this year. He's been competing for the league lead in blocks all year, and he doesn't just block them from the weak side. He's also a very good help defender. Marion's good, too, but I don't think he's the best defender on his team (that would be Raja Bell). But the league will probably give it to Bruce Bowen or someone.

[Guest]

MVP - Dirk, but Kobe will get a lot of votes if he plays Kobe ball down the stretch and gets the Lakers a better seed.

 

Sixth Man - Barbosa

 

ROY - Roy

 

DPOTY - Josh Smith

 

COTY - Sam Mitchell, not close.

 

Exec - B. Colangelo.

 

MIP: I thought Maurice Williams was already good, so I don't think he counts. Before the injury, I'd pick Luke Walton. Now, I'll pick Kevin Martin.

[Ripper 0]

I don't think its possible for Kobe to get alot of the votes with Nash and Dirk hogging them all.

[Guest]

But if he keeps throwing up 50, he'll get some. And really, that's all I expect because the media would bend over for Dirk and Nash.

[alfdogg 0]

As long as they get in the playoffs, he'll likely finish right behind Dirk and Nash in the voting. I personally don't see anyone else cracking the top 3.

 

EDIT: Maybe LeBron, but I'd vote for Kobe over him, myself.

[Ripper 0]

But if he keeps throwing up 50, he'll get some. And really, that's all I expect because the media would bend over for Dirk and Nash.

 

 

Come on now, its has nothing to do with bending over. One team is on pace to win 68 games and the other somewhere around 61-62. Giving one of those guys the MVP is not "bending over" for them, thats giving the deserved winners the award. I honestly don't feel you can go wrong either way with Nash or Dirk, but since Dirk should have won it last year, I say give it to him this year.

[Guest]

What's wrong with saying that the media likes Dirk and Nash more than any other player.

[Ripper 0]

It not being true?

 

Seriously, Laker fans, alot of you guys are getting pretty whiney over this whole Kobe stuff. The same guy that got applauded for playing well after he had to sit in court that day, the same guy that press gave a love fest for months over his 81, the same guy that got 10,000 articles about his turnaround after his allstar MVP last month, the same guy that keeps getting voted to the all defensive team by the press despite sucking defensively, same guy who has nothing but positive articles everywhere right now because of his two scoring out burst and all of a sudden you guys want to pretend he isn't a media/announcer/sportswriter darling. Comeon. Stop it. You guys are turning into Patriots fans. Do you want to be Patriots fans?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Of course it's fucking true.

[Guest]

If you don't think it's true, I obviously can't change your mind.

 

I'm talking about print media, not ESPN OMG LEBRON AND WADE SCORED 40 media. I don't really care, I'm just sayin'.

[Ripper 0]

So we are arguing that the only reason Nash and Dirk are getting the press as MVP candidates is because the media loves them? there is NO other reason, oh say like, their teams records, the number one and number two best records in the league, that might have something to do with them getting all that press...MAYBE??

 

Are we arguing that when it was the lakers with the best record in the league that there was no Kobe love shown? Really? Is that what we are really trying to do? Are we pretending that Dwayne Wade doesn't get more love than anyone, also because he might happen to be a defending champion.

 

Come on now. The Lakers are on the edge of suckage. Right now they are a mediocre team. The BEST teams get the most press. The BEST players on the BEST teams get the most press. Thats how it has been forever. If the Mavs and Suns suck next year and the Lakers win 80 games, it will be all Kobe love all the time.

 

But no. I am crazy. Its never been like this. The press just loves Nash and Dirk.

 

Ripper : Breakin out the smilies.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I wouldn't to add something, but Ripper said it perfectly.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

No Dirk deserves the award with Nash in tow but you're lying if you don't think the media loves the two.

[Coffin Surfer 0]

"Are we pretending that Dwayne Wade doesn't get more love than anyone, also because he might happen to be a defending champion. "

 

100% correct. Wade has at least one commercial per NBA break, and is constantly given mind boggling verbal blow jobs by announcers, hosts...etc.. I recall the Dallas/Miami ABC Sunday game a few months back when they were down by about 10 with Dirk off to a monster 4 out of 4 start or something.

 

Dirk makes a big play. Announcers, "Wade is such a student of the game, Wade is such a team player...blah, blah, blah. " It was so annoying, I had to turn the sound off.

 

I would say Lebron, Kobe, Ming, and Wade are much more heavily marketed than any players in the NBA. Of course Nash and Dirk are loved by the media, but I don't see them getting more attention than the 4 I mentioned. I mean look at the air time the Cavs get, despite not even being that good. Kobe was in talks for MVP by the media until the losing streaks, suspensions..etc.

[Guest]

So we are arguing that the only reason Nash and Dirk are getting the press as MVP candidates is because the media loves them? there is NO other reason, oh say like, their teams records, the number one and number two best records in the league, that might have something to do with them getting all that press...MAYBE??

Wow, way to put some words in my mouth. Learn how to fucking read. I never even said that goddamn bullshit. If a fucking person says that the media loves Dirk and Nash, then that's what they're saying. It's not a fucking thing else.

 

Are we arguing that when it was the lakers with the best record in the league that there was no Kobe love shown? Really? Is that what we are really trying to do? Are we pretending that Dwayne Wade doesn't get more love than anyone, also because he might happen to be a defending champion.

Again, take a fucking english class next time.

 

The media loves Dirk and Nash. I didn't say anything else, and you're a fucking idiot for saying that I did. I didn't say that Kobe should be the MVP, because I don't feel that way. Just fucking read my goddamn post next time.

 

The one thing that I really don't get, is that I say one thing about Kobe (in the case, the guy should get some votes. I really don't see the big deal about that one.) and it always turns into something WAY MORE WITH YOU. Jesus, PJ fucking Brown got a vote. Arenas is going to get some votes. I could say that shit about 8 different players, and you'd only complain if I said Kobe would get votes. Find something else to do with yourself.

[Ripper 0]

Actually YOU said that Dirk and Nash are loved by the media more than any other player. YOU also said that Kobe would get some votes because the media bends over for Nash and Dirk.

 

So I ASKED are you saying that the ONLY REASON that they would get the votes is because the media loves them. Then pointed out why that is stupid because there are actual reasons one of them will win the award and not "The media just loves Nash and Dirk". Thats not putting words in your mouth. You LITERALLY said that Kobe would only get a few votes because the media loves Nash and Dirk. I personally think my reading skills are fine. Its you not realizing what you wrote that is the problem.

 

YOU said that Kobe would only get some votes because the media loves Nash and Dirk, which is, in a word, fucking retarded. He will only get some votes is because Nash and Dirk are legit MVP candidates and he isn't. By the same token, as I pointed out, if the lakers didn't damn near suck Kobe would be getting votes. It has nothing to do with who the media loves or whatever whiney bullshit you want to say. Kobe is not a better candidate than the other two. And if you could your little purple and gold dress off for a second and stop being such a little girl about it, maybe you would see that.

 

This is the second time you have brought up kobe then threw a bitchy fit when someone says something negative about him. Perhaps you should stop bringing him up. Last time someone insulted the Suns I didn't go bolding crap and whining, I made my point to disagree with theirs and that was it. Geez dude...calm down.

[Guest]

I said that Kobe getting some votes was all I expected, because the media bends over for Nash and Dirk. Meaning they will get all the first and 2nd place votes, and I never said that there was anything wrong with it. Didn't say they were undeserving or anything. Didn't say that Kobe deserved the trophy, and didn't say that he was going to get it. The media bends for those two players. It is what it is, and not an insult toward either guy.

 

Perhaps you should stop turning my Kobe posts into long arguments, and take them for what they are. A post saying Kobe will get some votes. You like, CAN'T stop going on about Kobe. Sounds like you're the one that can't stop bitching. And that's that, because I'm going to leave you in your own little world, where only you and Steve Nash are on the same plane of existence. Good day.

[Ripper 0]

Okay fine.

 

I am not a Lakers fan because I have a IQ over 3.

 

Now in no way should any Laker fan take that as a insult because I didn't say that all Laker fans are stupid. As a matter of fact I don't see how that could possibly suggest that I think Laker fans have a IQ below 3 because I didn't literally say it. Just take what I said for what I said and not for what was obviously implied.

 

I guess that is how we operate now.

[Just John 0]

I think Dirk will wind up getting the MVP this year, just to break up the Nash 3-peat. I know that won't be the official reason, and there are enough legitimate reasons to justify giving Dirk the award, but it'll mainly be to avoid giving Nash three straight. With Nash putting up better numbers this year than the last two, he should probably win again, but the NBA is funny about things like that. If they wouldn't give MJ three straight, I don't think they'll do it for Nash.

 

Kobe will garner a few votes from the "MVP means who matters the most to their team" camp, but that's about it. Sure, the Lakers are god-awful without Kobe, but you can make that point for just about any team. The whole "well, if we didn't have our best player, we'd suck" line of thinking never did it for me. I think you have to look at the guys who don't just hold their teams together, but lead them to the most success. There's probably 20 guys in the NBA who lead their teams to mediocrity or moderate success. The MVP should be about sifting through those guys and seeing which one leads their team to the greatest amount of success. This year, your choices are Dirk and Nash.

[Guest]

Okay fine.

 

I am not a Lakers fan because I have a IQ over 3.

 

Now in no way should any Laker fan take that as a insult because I didn't say that all Laker fans are stupid. As a matter of fact I don't see how that could possibly suggest that I think Laker fans have a IQ below 3 because I didn't literally say it. Just take what I said for what I said and not for what was obviously implied.

 

I guess that is how we operate now.

I don't imply things, I say them literally. I don't speak in figurative terms, when I say something I'm going to come out and say it. Like when I call you a shitty poster. Don't go thinking I hate Steve Nash out of that, now.

 

See, I was surprised when I noticed that you replied to this thread in the first place, because I really thought that what I said wasn't a big deal. I honestly didn't think that it was a big deal to say that Kobe would get some votes, but when I read the Last post by: Ripper, I knew you were going to turn it into a big deal. You should know by now that I don't beat around the bush, I say what's on my mind and deal with the consequences afterwards. If I thought that Kobe was the MVP of the league by far over Nash and Dirk, I'd say it. I didn't say it. I'll take my warning or suspension if it comes, with a grin on my fucking face. Now I will go eat my Steve Nash full of dick sandwich and have my Joe Johnson full of shit chocolate shake. Take it literally.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Not to pile on, but this:

 

Last time someone insulted the Suns I didn't go bolding crap and whining, I made my point to disagree with theirs and that was it.

 

This is not true. I mentioned a common occurrence about the throwing the ball at opponent for the turnover deal, and you managed to turn it into a slight against the Suns. You're one of the biggest homers out there, and that's the truth.

[alfdogg 0]

Let's try to tone it down, guys.

 

Al Jefferson was another guy I forgot about in the discussion for Most Improved. niskie reminded me about that over at the Pit. So just giving him a name-drop.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

What's wrong with saying that the media likes Dirk and Nash more than any other player.

 

The liberal media just want to see a white basketba... oh, shiny object!

 

And so as not to be accused of derailing this thread, I'd go with Nash as MVP. Just don't ask for stats or any of that other stuff.

[Precious Roy 0]

David Lee had to be the favorite for 6th man before he got hurt. And now he might be out another month, so he's got no shot. Barbosa will win it, I think Jerry Stackhouse is his only real competition for votes and he's had an up and down year.

 

Curry is another most improved player candidate. I think it's a tossup between him, Al Jefferson and Kevin Martin. Andris Biedrens is in there too.

 

Comeback player of the year has to be Amare Stoudemire.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I was just about to suggest Curry, if not necessarily because he improved to be a REALLY good player, but that he went from absolute suckage to pretty decent, which is a bigger jump than the other Most Improved nominees.

 

My list is similar to alfdogg's:

 

MVP - Dirk.

 

Sixth Man - Barbosa, although you could even put Manu if you really want to count him as a "Sixth Man".. he is still coming off the bench, right?

 

ROY - Roy, although fellow Blazer LaMarcus Aldridge has been challenging for that as of late, and Bargnani hasn't been doing too bad lately himself. But Roy is a future All-Star.

 

DPOTY - Josh Smith.

 

COTY - Jerry Sloan.

 

Comeback player of the year - Amare. No brainer.

 

Exec - B. Colangelo.

[alfdogg 0]

I was just about to suggest Curry, if not necessarily because he improved to be a REALLY good player, but that he went from absolute suckage to pretty decent, which is a bigger jump than the other Most Improved nominees.

I wouldn't go that far. He has averaged double figure scoring every year other than his rookie season, and this is actually the first year he's averaged more than 30 minutes per game. He also has a 54% career field goal percentage. So he's always been solid, he's improved from that to very good.

[Brett Favre 0]

Curry leads the league in points in the paint.

 

I'd add Lee to the list of candidates of Most Improved Player as well. But he's hurt, and I'd go with Kevin Martin.

 

I know Marbury isn't the devensive player of the year, but he should get consideration for the All-NBA Defensive team. The only PG that I can think of possibly being better than him defensively this year would have to be Chauncey Billups.

[Ripper 0]

PG isn't really the spot for great defensive play now honestly. I think Darrell Armstrong was the best defensive point I have seen all year. Seriously.

 

Tracy McGrady has been the best off guard defensively I believe. I liked see that because he was a pretty good defender to start his career, then just kinda stopped trying. but this year he has been guarding anything that moves on the court. On the low blocks Marcus Camby has been amazing as always and I think that DPOY should be between him, Marion and Smtih honestly.