CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 It sounds like the Astros just couldn't hit worth shit for the first half of the series. Crappy pitching can still beat REALLY crappy hitting, and Livan was still pretty good at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 I don't buy that the Marlins had good enough pitching to carry the team to seven games. They didn't. They had good enough pitching to carry the team to four games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 It sounds like the Astros just couldn't hit worth shit for the first half of the series. Crappy pitching can still beat REALLY crappy hitting, and Livan was still pretty good at this point. I wonder about their offense. I think those Astros teams were probably the very definition of team offense, and I don't know if that translates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 I don't buy that the Marlins had good enough pitching to carry the team to seven games. They didn't. They had good enough pitching to carry the team to four games. I don't think they had that. Oh well, what's simulated is simulated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 It did help that while the Marlins had awful starting pitching, their bullpen was quite good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 1982 Milwaukee Brewers (snuffbox) vs. 2004 Houston Astros (UTBroward) The Brewers won their first and only league championship and came one win away from a World Championship. The Astros fell short of a league championship but won their first playoff series after seven failures. Hall of Famers Brewers: Paul Molitor, Robin Yount, Rollie Fingers, Don Sutton Astros: [Jeff Bagwell], [Craig Biggio], [Jeff Kent], [Roger Clemens] The Brewers were an all-offensive club, "Harvey's Wallbangers" posted a team OPS+ of 121. Their pitching staff was below average, but it is worth noting that the club will have the services of Rollie Fingers. Fingers missed the 1982 postseason. The Astros were a balanced club. '04 Astros 4, '82 Brewers 2 WP: Roger Clemens (1-0) LP: Mike Caldwell (0-1) Sv: Brad Lidge (1) The Astros scored all four runs in the first three innings. Jeff Kent hit a two-run home run. '04 Astros 3, '82 Brewers 2 WP: Roy Oswalt (1-0) LP: Pete Vuckovich (0-1) Sv: Brad Lidge (2) Mike Lamb drove in two RBIs with a single in the 7th and Brad Ausmus followed with an RBI single of his own. '04 Astros 7, '82 Brewers 4 WP: Dan Miceli (1-0) LP: Bob McClure (0-1) Sv: Brad Lidge (3) Jeff Bagwell collected four hits including a double and a home run, and three RBIs. Andy Pettitte struggled through six but kept the Astros in the game. The Astros now lead the series 3-0. '82 Brewers 13, '04 Astros 3 WP: Don Sutton (1-0) LP: Brandon Backe (0-1) A complete victory for the Brewers. All nine starters scored runs in the victory, including pitcher Don Sutton. The Astros committed four errors in the loss. '04 Astros 13, '82 Brewers 3 WP: Roger Clemens (2-0) LP: Mike Caldwell (0-2) Jeff Bagwell hit three home runs, giving him five for the series. Mike Caldwell gave up ten runs, five homers in two starts. 2004 Astros win series 4-1 A slaughter, far from what I expected going in. The '04 Astros advance to play the 1927 Yankees in the second round. This concludes the first round of play. Second Round: '01 Mariners (Criplercrosface9) vs. '01 Diamondbacks (cartman) '03 Braves (Fokai) vs. '04 Yankees (Precious Roy) '94 Expos (CanadianChris) vs. '93 Phillies (UsetheSledgehammeruh) '04 Cardinals (The Man In Blak) vs. '72 Athletics (Porter) '10 Athletics (Harley Quinn) vs. '92 Blue Jays (Kahran Ramsus) '76 Reds (Imarkout4eldandy) vs. '98 Padres (Richard) '12 Giants (Chuck Woolery) vs. '06 Twins (Verne Gagne) '98 Astros (vivalaultra) vs. '97 Orioles (Marvinisalunatic) '98 Yankees (Cena's Writer) vs. '50 Phillies (alkeiper) '19 White Sox (2Gold) vs. '02 Angels (UndertakerHart) '46 Red Sox (humanoid92) vs. '86 Astros (Just John) '90 Athletics (Bored) vs. '04 Red Sox (Cheech13) '86 Mets (naiwf) vs. '75 Red Sox (Mole) '84 Tigers (MFerXtreme87) vs. '56 Dodgers (Kingofthe909) '27 Yankees (phoenixrising) vs. '04 Astros (UTBroward) '95 Braves (Smeus) vs. '85 Blue Jays (treble) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just John 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 I know he was mid-season pickup, but was Beltran on the 04 Stros here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 I know he was mid-season pickup, but was Beltran on the 04 Stros here? Yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 Wow. Three 'Stros teams in the 2nd round. Out of the '98 team, the '04 team, and the '86 team at least one of them should win their series. Probably not the '04 team, cuz I mean...they're going against the freakin' 1927 Yankees. The '86 'Stros and the '46 Sox should be interesting, and I'm quite confident in the 1998 Astros' chances against the 1997 Orioles...as long as Kevin Brown doesn't sneak into the rotation wearing a Rick Krivda mask. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 I'm really curious to see how the '10, '12, and '19 teams "handle" the modern day style of playing given they all played in larger stadiums during the 'deadball' era. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 Another thought about the classic teams v. the modern teams. Are the classic teams programmed to play the 'old style' of ball, specifically meaning, for instance, since the '27 Yankees had a 9-man pitching staff and the least number of complete games thrown was 9 by George Pipgras, does the simulator recognize stuff like that and not go to the 'pen or whatnot as often whereas for the modern teams, there's a 6th inning guy, 7th inning guy, 8th inning guy, and then closer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 Another thought about the classic teams v. the modern teams. Are the classic teams programmed to play the 'old style' of ball, specifically meaning, for instance, since the '27 Yankees had a 9-man pitching staff and the least number of complete games thrown was 9 by George Pipgras, does the simulator recognize stuff like that and not go to the 'pen or whatnot as often whereas for the modern teams, there's a 6th inning guy, 7th inning guy, 8th inning guy, and then closer? Bullpens are used as they existed as a time, adjusting for the modern game as necessary. The '27 Yankees are a weird case because they did have an ace reliever in Wilcy Moore. It becomes an interesting case when it comes to pitchers batting for themselves say down a run in the 8th. It used to be common, but such a strategy today might not prove fruitful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 '10 Athletics (Harley Quinn) vs. '92 Blue Jays (Kahran Ramsus) Looks like the city of Philadelphia's tough luck against Toronto is going to continue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 '94 Expos (CanadianChris) vs. '93 Phillies (UsetheSledgehammeruh) Against all of Canada, really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broward83 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 Jeff Bagwell hit three home runs, giving him five for the series. That's how you know this shit is fantasy.... Anyway, was surprised to see the Astros win in the fashion they did as alot of the other series' have been going longer. '27 Yanks will be a tall order.. but I'll stay with my hometown and hope that Bag's post-season revival will carry on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2007 I'm both shocked and dismayed with the outcome of my series. But, oh well, this will still be a fun thread to read. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2007 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks (cartman) vs. 2001 Seattle Mariners (criplercrosface9) The Seattle Mariners won an American League record 116 games, but the Diamondbacks won the World Series that season. Hall of Famers Diamondbacks: [Curt Schilling], [Randy Johnson] Mariners: [ichiro Suzuki], [Edgar Martinez] Ichiro a Hall of Famer? The Monitor seems to think so. Most hitters who lead the league in hits three times, batting average twice have a good shot. If Ichiro puts in his ten years, he should get in. He was obviously a Hall caliber player at his peak. The Mariners featured great hitting and pitching, including a fantastic bullpen. 2001 was a year where everything clicked. The Diamondbacks had strong pitching, led by Curt Schilling and Randy Johnson. Their offense was slightly above average thanks to the outstanding season of Luis Gonzalez. One difficulty facing the D'backs is that due to their first series, Schilling and Johnson will not be available until games three and four. '01 Mariners 4, '01 Diamondbacks 3 (10 Innings) WP: Arthur Rhodes (1-0) LP: Bret Prinz (0-1) The Diamondbacks scored all three runs in the fourth off Freddy Garcia, including a two-run single by Mark Grace. Garcia hung tough and lasted eight innings. Miguel Batista pitched shutout ball for seven innings but ran into trouble in the eighth, giving up two earned runs. Byung-Hyun Kim shut the door in the eighth but the Mariners squeaked in the tying run in the ninth on Edgar Martinez's double followed by a sac fly from Mike Cameron. Dan Wilson hit the walk off home run in the tenth. '01 Mariners 7, '01 Diamondbacks 5 WP: Jamie Moyer (1-0) LP: Brian Anderson (0-1) Sv: Kazuhiro Sasaki (1) John Olerud's bases clearing double capped a five-run fifth for the Mariners. '01 Mariners 5, '01 Diamondbacks 4 (11 Innings) WP: Kazuhiro Sasaki (1-0) LP: Greg Swindell (0-2) Sv: Jeff Nelson (1) Damian Miller hit a two-run home run in extra innings to send the game into extra innings. Carlos Guillen's RBI single plated the go-ahead run in the 11th. Center fielder Mike Cameron threw out Erubiel Durazo at home plate to end the inning in the bottom of the frame. '01 Diamondbacks 3, '01 Mariners 2 WP: Bret Prinz (1-1) LP: Norm Charlton (0-1) Sv: Greg Swindell (1) A two-run eighth inning saved the game (and series) for the Diamondbacks. Luis Gonzalez hit an RBI triple and Mark Grace followed up with an RBI single. '01 Mariners 6, '01 Diamondbacks 1 WP: Freddy Garcia (1-0) LP: Miguel Batista (1-1) Bret Boone and Mark McLemore each hit two-run home runs to drive the Mariners to victory 2001 Mariners win series 4-1 Most games were close but the Mariners' deep bullpen gave them an advantage. The Mariners advance to play the winner of the series between the '03 Braves and '04 Yankees. Up Next: 2003 Braves vs. 2004 Yankees Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2007 That game 3 sounded like it would have been a lot of fun too... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2007 2003 Atlanta Braves (Fokai) vs. 2004 New York Yankees (Precious Roy) The New York Yankees won 101 games and took the Boston Red Sox seven games before losing a hard fought ALCS. Actually they choked hard, but we are trying to be nice. It was not as bad as the '64 Phillies. The Atlanta Braves won 101 games as well but fell short in the first round, losing to the Chicago Cubs in five games. Hall of Famers Yankees: [Derek Jeter], [Alex Rodriguez], [bernie Williams], [Gary Sheffield], [Mike Mussina], [Mariano Rivera] Braves: [Chipper Jones], [Andruw Jones], [Gary Sheffield], [Greg Maddux], [John Smoltz] An interesting situation as both teams hold Gary Sheffield. Both teams have extremely good closers as well. The Braves were the one team in their run that had average pitching but exceptional hitting. The Yankees had good hitting but below average pitching. They exceeded their pythagorean record by twelve wins. '04 Yankees 4, '03 Braves 2 WP: Kevin Brown (1-0) LP: Greg Maddux (0-1) Sv: Mariano Rivera (1) Kevin Brown allowed one run over seven innings and Yankees' Gary Sheffield hit two doubles. The Yankees broke the game open with two insurance runs off Roberto Hernandez in the eighth. '03 Braves 4, '04 Yankees 1 WP: Russ Ortiz (1-0) LP: Mike Mussina (0-1) Sv: John Smoltz (1) Javy Lopez hit a two-run home run in the ninth to seal the win for the Braves. '03 Braves 8, '04 Yankees 5 WP: Mike Hampton (1-0) LP: Javy Vazquez (0-1) Sv: John Smoltz (2) Rafael Furcal's three-run double in the eighth inning proved to be the difference. Both Hampton and Vazquez struggled but kept their teams in the game. Paul Quantrill allowed three earned runs in a third of an inning. '04 Yankees 6, '03 Braves 5 WP: Tom Gordon (1-0) LP: Darren Holmes (0-1) Sv: Mariano Rivera (2) Ruben Sierra hit a pinch hit home run in the eighth to score the go-ahead run. Chipper Jones hit a home run, double and three RBIs in the loss. '03 Braves 7, '04 Yankees 4 WP: Greg Maddux (1-1) LP: Kevin Brown (1-1) Sv: John Smoltz (3) Marcus Giles' grand slam in the fourth inning gave the Braves a commanding lead which they never relinquished. The Braves lead three games to two, with the last two games coming in Yankee Stadium. '03 Braves 17, '04 Yankees 3 WP: Russ Ortiz (2-0) LP: Mike Mussina (0-2) What do you say after a game like this? The damage came in an eight run fifth inning, where Vinny Castilla and Robert Fick each hit three-run home runs. Even Mariano Rivera gave up three runs in an inning of work. 2003 Braves win series 4-2 Alex Rodriguez hit .174 but led the Yankees in RBIs with six. Marcus Giles led the Braves with 10 RBIs. The Braves advance to play the 2001 Mariners in the third round. Up Next: '93 Phillies vs. '94 Expos Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2007 Mmmm...Mitch Williams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Alex Rodriguez hit .174 Anyone still doubting that this is a realistic playoff simulator? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Alex Rodriguez hit .174 Anyone still doubting that this is a realistic playoff simulator? Yes. The real A-Rod wouldn't have had those 6 RBIs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J.T. 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Bernie Williams is a HOF????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Williams meets the Hall of Fame Monitor. I don't even know if Al believes Williams to be a HOFamer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Bernie Williams would not be a bad choice for the Hall. Many worse center fielders are in. Bernie's HOF Monitor score is 133. Itemizing the score... *20 points for batting above .300 eight times. *10 points for two seasons of 200+ hits. *24 points for eight seasons of 100+ runs, 15 points for five seasons of 100+ RBIs. *2 points for one season of 30 HRs. *4 points for four seasons of 35+ doubles. *15 points for five All-Star appearances. *4 points for four Gold Glove awards. *20 points for playing CF on four World Championship clubs. *6 points for playing CF on two league championship clubs. *6 points for playing CF on four division championship clubs. *6 points for winning a batting title. *4 points for 2,000+ career hits. 121 points, so I missed something somewhere. But you get the idea. Also keep in mind that the HOF Monitor is NOT intended to judge whether a player deserves the Hall. It simply measure the player's chances by measuring past voting patterns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 94 Montreal Expos (CanadianChris) vs. 1993 Philadelphia Phillies (Usethesledgehammeruh) The Montreal Expos went 74-40 and led the National League in wins before a strike wiped out the remainder of the 1994 season. The Phillies stunned baseball by winning 97 games and then upset the Braves in the NLCS to win the National League pennant. Hall of Famers Expos: [Larry Walker], [Pedro Martinez] Phillies: [Curt Schilling] Unlike most modern teams, the Expos did not carry a lefty specialist in the bullpen. The Expos featured good offense and excellent pitching. The Phillies featured excellent offense and average pitching. With the way the Phillies bullpen collapsed in the '93 postseason, you have to wonder if the Expos will enjoy an advantage late in games. '94 Expos 6, '93 Phillies 5 WP: John Wetteland (1-0) LP: Larry Andersen (0-1) The problem with not carrying a lefty reliever is that the Phils have five lefties in their lineup. The Phillies mounted a seventh inning comeback to tie the game. Larry Andersen struck out the first two Expos in the ninth, but Larry Walker hit a solo walkoff home run to win the game. Starters Pedro Martinez and Curt Schilling combined for 19 strikeouts. '94 Expos 11, '93 Phillies 2 WP: Ken Hill (1-0) LP: Danny Jackson (0-1) Sean Berry and Moises Alou both collected three RBIs. Danny Jackson gave up ten hits and six runs in three innings of work. '93 Phillies 3, '94 Expos 0 WP: Danny Greene (1-0) LP: Jeff Fassero (0-1) Sv: Mitch Williams (1) Tommy Greene pitched eight shutout innings and struck out ten batters. Mitch Williams allowed two baserunners and struck out the side, a standard Wild Thing save. '94 Expos 3, '93 Phillies 0 WP: Butch Henry (1-0) LP: Terry Mulholland (0-1) Sv: John Wetteland (1) Wil Cordero and Moises Alou collected RBIs in the Expos' win. '93 Phillies 1, '94 Expos 0 WP: Curt Schilling (1-0) LP: Pedro Martinez (0-1) Sv: Mitch Williams (2) Another fine pitchers' duel between the two aces. Lenny Dykstra hit a solo home run in the sixth to score the only run of the game. '94 Expos 3, '93 Phillies 0 WP: Ken Hill (2-0) LP: Danny Jackson (0-2) Sv: John Wetteland (2) Danny Jackson atoned for his previous failure and pitched a quality start. Ken Hill however again proved too much for the Phillies' hitters to handle. '94 Expos win series 4-2 Ken Hill pitched fifteen shutout innings in the series. The '94 Expos advance and await the winner of the next series. Up Next: 2004 Cardinals vs. 72 Athletics Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Wow... 15 SO innings is nothing to sneeze at. I liked how the first 2 games combined for 24 runs and the final 4 games mainly became pitcher duels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Four shutouts in one series...that's amazing. Ken Hill was a terrific pitcher for the Expos in the early 90s. People forget because Pedro joined the team that year, and because he dropped off shortly after leaving Montreal, but Hill was the main guy on that '94 staff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Good series. The '94 Expos are truly a tragic victim of the strike. Championship caliber and filled with stars, its too bad for the fans, they were never the same, gutted and then moved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 I like how game 5 of this series (down 3-1 in the series, Schilling pitches 8(?) shutout innings for a 1-0 victory) almost exactly mirrored what happened to the Phillies in in game 5 of the actual World Series in 1993 (down 3-1 in the series, Schilling pitches a complete game 2-0 victory). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
