snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Invader is officially below C-bacon now. I blame them dang kids 'n' their highfalootin' gizmos 'n' whatnots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Well, Invader certainly went above and beyond in this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 You want more proof, watch that new TV show "Are you smarter than a 5th grader?". Taking some of the smartest of the smart and making them look like buffoons; it's supposed to be funny because they can't answer the questions, but when you look past that you realize that it's really a mockery of the American educational system. I refuse to believe that anything featuring Jeff Foxworthy could be considered deep and subtle satire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Invader is officially below C-bacon now. I blame them dang kids 'n' their highfalootin' gizmos 'n' whatnots. Why? What did I say that you don't agree with? All you ever fall back on is your stupid "conservatives are crotchety old people" statements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Get over this 'snuffbox hates conservatives' shit. Barry Goldwater is my motherfucking hero. When you get all grandpa-y and blame everyithing on kids/Mexicans/etc you're not being conservative, you're not advocating small govt, you are just being a troglodyte. Talking like an idiot Andy Griffith cast member doesn't make you conservative. Nor does advocating the expense of multiple billions to get rid of Mexican people or blacks in the ghettos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 What's this thread about again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbacon 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Invader, do you really believe you are better than some people and others better than you? Accepting that children are oppressed means accepting our own roles as oppressor and oppressed. This is not easy because it's personal. It means we have oppressed and been oppressed by our siblings. It means our parents have been our oppressors. However, since we all have the experience of being both oppressor and oppressed anyway, due to racism, sexism, heterosexism, and classism, this really isn't anything new. But it is personal. The personal is political. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 What's this thread about again? People thinking kids are to blame for everything wrong with education vs. people who think that faulty educators and decisions play no small role in the ills of schools. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Invader, do you really believe you are better than some people and others better than you? Accepting that children are oppressed means accepting our own roles as oppressor and oppressed. This is not easy because it's personal. It means we have oppressed and been oppressed by our siblings. It means our parents have been our oppressors. However, since we all have the experience of being both oppressor and oppressed anyway, due to racism, sexism, heterosexism, and classism, this really isn't anything new. But it is personal. The personal is political. Telling a kid he can't listen to his iPod while he's supposed to be doing school work isn't even in the same ballpark as political oppression. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbacon 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 There's no reason music players shouldn't be allowed. But a better question is who is a teacher to "allow" or "disallow" anything at all? All government happens with the consent of the governed. Teachers only have power over students because students accept it as fact. What would happen if they didn't? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 What's this thread about again? People thinking kids are to blame for everything wrong with education vs. people who think that faulty educators and decisions play no small role in the ills of schools. I thought we were talking about iPods. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike wanna be 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 There's no reason music players shouldn't be allowed. But a better question is who is a teacher to "allow" or "disallow" anything at all? All government happens with the consent of the governed. Teachers only have power over students because students accept it as fact. What would happen if they didn't? Viva la revolucion! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Why is it that the kids are supposedly only listening to music DURING class while a teacher is talking? Is it not conceivable that they could listen to them (harmlessley) during study halls, lunch time, while reading silently, in the hallways between classes, while running a mile during gym class, etc? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 What's this thread about again? People thinking kids are to blame for everything wrong with education vs. people who think that faulty educators and decisions play no small role in the ills of schools. I thought we were talking about iPods. Yeah, this is the first time a thread has moved on to a broader subject. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 But a better question is who is a teacher to "allow" or "disallow" anything at all? The person who's job it is to teach the kids something. Really hard to do that if he's got an iPod in his ears. I will point out though, that I don't see a need to ban music devices unless they're actually causing problems; I carried my CD player everywhere I went in high school, but I never turned it on between bells. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbacon 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Why is it that the kids are supposedly only listening to music DURING class while a teacher is talking? Is it not conceivable that they could listen to them (harmlessley) during study halls, lunch time, while reading silently, in the hallways between classes, while running a mile during gym class, etc? Well, that goes back to my point about kids wanting to be in class in the first place. And the essence of the student-teacher relationship remain one based on control, not one based on equality and comradeship. Until that changes you're going to continue to see the problems caused by dysfunctional relationships, and that's what all problems in schools really are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Is it that hard to just not allow the ipods to be used while the teacher is talking? It has to be an outright ban covering the entire school day on the entire school property to accomplish this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbacon 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 I would have much rather been listening to music then paying attention in grade 12 math Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 I got away with a few classes worth of listening to music. I threaded the earbuds under my shirt and put my hood up. Of course, the fact that I was all of a sudden wearing my hood up during certain points of class drew enough attention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 There's no reason music players shouldn't be allowed. But a better question is who is a teacher to "allow" or "disallow" anything at all? All government happens with the consent of the governed. Teachers only have power over students because students accept it as fact. What would happen if they didn't? The consent comes from their parents, not the children. Children are not allowed to vote. People thinking kids are to blame for everything wrong with education vs. people who think that faulty educators and decisions play no small role in the ills of schools. I thought we were talking about iPods. Yeah, this is the first time a thread has moved on to a broader subject. The "broader subject" seems to be that anyone who expects kids to follow rules that were put in place for their own good are evil oppressors who are ruining America. Is it that hard to just not allow the ipods to be used while the teacher is talking? I'm not sure how kids are supposed to concentrated on their school work when they've got "My Humps" blaring in their ears. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 What's this thread about again? Mike Jones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Eagle Man Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Why is it that the kids are supposedly only listening to music DURING class while a teacher is talking? Is it not conceivable that they could listen to them (harmlessley) during study halls, lunch time, while reading silently, in the hallways between classes, while running a mile during gym class, etc? *ding* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Who said they're evil oppressors? Why does it have to be a Black Eyed Peas song that you dont like? It couldnt be classical music or Radiohead or something else that a student might feel helps him/her concentrate on a book/assignment etc? Is it possible, Jerk, that some people might learn best in different ways than others? Are you one of those teachers that gets extremely pissed when proven wrong by a student? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Eagle Man Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Kids shouldn't have CD players in school. There's no valid reason for it. It's just a distraction. Books are distractions, if you're reading something you want to read that isn't germane to the class you're sitting in. It's the same thing, especially since with technological developments, getting your copy of Gravity's Rainbow, at $20+tax, might actually be more expensive than a CD player. Do we ban books? What do kids get to have at any given time? Or is this just about banning gizmos and doodads because in Your Day, they didn't exist, and clearly, this means that everybody "respected their elders"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Who said they're evil oppressors? Ahem. Accepting that children are oppressed means accepting our own roles as oppressor and oppressed. This is not easy because it's personal. It means we have oppressed and been oppressed by our siblings. It means our parents have been our oppressors. However, since we all have the experience of being both oppressor and oppressed anyway, due to racism, sexism, heterosexism, and classism, this really isn't anything new. But it is personal. The personal is political. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Not seeing 'evil' in there anywhere. I actually was reprimanded in high school for reading in class. I would just leave the room. So, yeah, we probably should ban books as well as the dang gadgets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 What's this "we" shit? Are you even part of the educational establishment? Have you ever worked in education, or taught a class? I like how people who have don't even have anything to do with education, either as a student or a professional, are getting so worked up because a Catholic school in Canada isn't going to let kids have iPods anymore. I'm only a teacher, so I can only control what the rules are in my class, but if the administration of my building or district had a policy where these were banned, I'd enforce it whether I agreed with it or not. The teachers aren't the ones who made these policies, so the repetitive anti-teacher comments being made on this thread are pretty irrelevant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Jerk reaching new lows. Are you one of those teachers that gets extremely pissed when proven wrong by a student? I'm going to guess 'yes' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ted the Poster 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 *reads thread* Uh... teachers are valuable members of society who deserve more money! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Eagle Man Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Jerk reaching new lows. Are you one of those teachers that gets extremely pissed when proven wrong by a student? I'm going to guess 'yes' I had a geography teacher--yes, geography--who, for the life of her, could not figure out how to pronounce British locations. Saying "eeden-burg" instead of "eddin-burra," I could let by (but I didn't), but "green-witch" instead of "grennich" is not permissible for anybody teaching geography. She was hopping mad when I proved her wrong on that one. What's this "we" shit? Are you even part of the educational establishment? Have you ever worked in education, or taught a class? Great, now I feel like we're discussing Chicago Bears/Green Bay Packers fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
