Peyton Manning loves the children

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I think this deserved a thread.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wmildksr5M

[Richard 0]

That didn't take long.

[Guest Vitamin X]

No, it didn't.

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http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/index2.shtml

 

It's on this page.

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SNL has become so pussified. If this had been a few years ago, they would have had a Asian kid, black kid and white kid all actually being way too good at football, and all their last names being Brady.

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SNL has become so pussified. If this had been a few years ago, they would have had a Asian kid, black kid and white kid all actually being way too good at football, and all their last names being Brady.

 

I admit, that would have me rolling.

 

oh and you being a Falcons guy reminds me, has any show ever did anything with the whole Ron Mexico thing?

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They did do a hilarious bit on Vick and his weed at the airport

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They need to redo it with him and that ridiculous excuse he came up with last week. That was like watching a SNL sketch.

[Jason223_ThePit 0]

Was that the secret compartment for jewelry thing?

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Yeah. He was better off just saying nothing and everyone would have moved on. Instead he gives a press conference, has ANOTHER fake top water bottle to show that he has been keeping his jewlery in there.

 

Or just say "At least my friends and I haven't been jumping 16 year olds at bars like Matt Shaub" and put the spotlight on him. He's not a teammate anymore, throw him under the bus. But noooo. "It was for my earrings"

 

what the fuck ever.

[Guest Vitamin X]

You're definitely right, although Schaub doesn't need to be an ex-teammate for Vick to throw him under the bus as well.

 

Hell the whole reason Schaub got traded was because Vick was unhappy with the rumor that he could get replaced by him.

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Funny. I still think the best pro athlete sketch was the one with Joe Montana, Phil Hartman and Jan Hooks.

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You're definitely right, although Schaub doesn't need to be an ex-teammate for Vick to throw him under the bus as well.

 

Hell the whole reason Schaub got traded was because Vick was unhappy with the rumor that he could get replaced by him.

 

 

Yes, because if not for Vick being unhappy with some rumor the Falcons wouldn't have taken two second round draft picks and move up two spots in the draft for a unproven backup QB.

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So will Petrino be the next coach Vick kills?

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Funny. I still think the best pro athlete sketch was the one with Joe Montana, Phil Hartman and Jan Hooks.

 

This was funny but my favorite is the one where Michael Jordan played the first black Harlem Globetrotter

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Charles Barkley vs. Barney one-on-one.

[CanadianChris 0]

Funny. I still think the best pro athlete sketch was the one with Joe Montana, Phil Hartman and Jan Hooks.

Is that the one where he closes with "I'm going upstairs to masturbate"?

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You're definitely right, although Schaub doesn't need to be an ex-teammate for Vick to throw him under the bus as well.

 

Hell the whole reason Schaub got traded was because Vick was unhappy with the rumor that he could get replaced by him.

 

 

Yes, because if not for Vick being unhappy with some rumor the Falcons wouldn't have taken two second round draft picks and move up two spots in the draft for a unproven backup QB.

 

Given that Vick is a talentless, all-hype, zero-substance little shit who keeps getitng into trouble, refusing to take full blame for the fact that he's an incompetant QB incapable of doing his fucking job, and who probably knows that his career is dead the moment that the press stops giving him a free ride and start rightfully calling him "The Most Over-rated Piece of Shit In the NFL" and finally get his shithead lazy fuck ass kicked out of the starting QB slot, then yeah I think we can believe with full certainty that Vick would force the team to trade his rival QB to ensure he can't be stripped of his job and it given to someone who is better than him (and let's face it, EVERYONE is better than Vick).

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SNL has become so pussified. If this had been a few years ago, they would have had a Asian kid, black kid and white kid all actually being way too good at football, and all their last names being Brady.

http://www.benmaller.com/archives/2007/mar...d_from_snl.html

A joke about New England Patriots QB Tom Brady's pregnancy predicament - which was scheduled to be delivered by his arch-rival Indianapolis Colts QB Peyton Manning - was axed from last week’s “Saturday Night Live,” according to the BOSTON HERALD

 

Manning's monologue, told a story about visiting a Boston veterans hospital and being taunted by a Pats fan named Joe O’Malley. “What do Tom Brady and the circus have in common?” Peyton said Joe asked him. “They both have two more rings than you.”

 

According to writer Dan Shanoff, that was not how the joke originally went. In the dress rehearsal, Burlington homegal Amy Poehler was dressed in a Pats jersey and she is the one who delivered the “two more rings than you” line.

 

To which, Peyton replied “That’s not the ONLY thing he’ll have two more of . . .”

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You're definitely right, although Schaub doesn't need to be an ex-teammate for Vick to throw him under the bus as well.

 

Hell the whole reason Schaub got traded was because Vick was unhappy with the rumor that he could get replaced by him.

 

 

Yes, because if not for Vick being unhappy with some rumor the Falcons wouldn't have taken two second round draft picks and move up two spots in the draft for a unproven backup QB.

 

Given that Vick is a talentless, all-hype, zero-substance little shit who keeps getitng into trouble, refusing to take full blame for the fact that he's an incompetant QB incapable of doing his fucking job, and who probably knows that his career is dead the moment that the press stops giving him a free ride and start rightfully calling him "The Most Over-rated Piece of Shit In the NFL" and finally get his shithead lazy fuck ass kicked out of the starting QB slot, then yeah I think we can believe with full certainty that Vick would force the team to trade his rival QB to ensure he can't be stripped of his job and it given to someone who is better than him (and let's face it, EVERYONE is better than Vick).

 

 

Uh-huh.

 

Its fun to ignore actual sucesses I guess.

 

Vick is the Allen Iverson now for the Falcons I guess.

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

Name ten starting QBs in the league right now that are currently better than Vick:

 

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Carson Palmer

Drew Brees

 

Those are the only four that are standout definites to me. I could probably make arguments for Bulger and Favre.

[Black Lushus 0]

Name ten starting QBs in the league right now that are currently better than Vick:

 

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Carson Palmer

Drew Brees

 

Those are the only four that are standout definites to me. I could probably make arguments for Bulger and Favre.

 

are you basing it strictly on stats or the overall function of leading a team?

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I am not going to turn into a Vick argument here. Hell, we get enough of those in Atlanta. But I do find it funny as a guy that has been a falcons fan for the past 17 years for people to say "The only reason we aren't going to the Super Bowl is Michael Vick!!!!". When in his 4 seasons as a starter, they have gone to the NFC championship game once and to the Semis once. The other two seasons they barely missed the playoffs. I really don't see how people can call that so horrible. Take the first four starting years of any sucessful QB and see what they had done to this point.

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Name ten starting QBs in the league right now that are currently better than Vick:

 

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Carson Palmer

Drew Brees

 

Those are the only four that are standout definites to me. I could probably make arguments for Bulger and Favre.

Brady, Manning, Palmer, Brees, Bulger, Favre, Delhomme (the Panthers have been more successful in their passing game with him than the Falcons with Vick), Hasselbeck, McNabb, Rivers, and just because Philip only has one solid season under his belt, I'd throw in Pennington also, when not injured.

 

I'm basing this opinion off of how much they've done as a quarterback to lead their respective franchises, and how much a bad performance by them hurts their team (which kind of also defines how valuable they are). Bulger is one of the more underrated QB's in the league, same with Delhomme. Vick isn't a bad quarterback, but I don't think he cracks the upper tier of the league. You could swap out Vick with any of those guys listed above, and provided he has enough of a running game and good coaching with them (which has definitely been an issue with the Falcons, so it really may not be all Vick anyways, but again, we go off of what we see) they'd lead the Falcons to a better record.

 

I will, however, agree with you (if this is your point, anyways) that Vick isn't the only thing that's holding the Falcons back from a Super Bowl berth. They need a good coach, and one who they'll actually keep around and let develop, and preferably one that won't tolerate any bullshit from his players. While Vick isn't on the level of disrupting team chemistry like a certain wide receiver we all know, he's definitely lost his cool over the past year, with the media, a lot of the fans, and many of his players. What I said isn't baseless- these are the rumors that have gone around as to why Schaub was traded instead of sticking around another year as a solid backup to Vick. It was either Matt had to go, or Vick had to go. There's too many problems with trading Vick (salary too high, a lot of Falcons' marketing is based on him as he's their only big "star", many of the casual fans do still like him, offense is built to revolve around him, or at least they tried to last year), whereas Schaub wouldn't be as much of an issue.

 

Also, first four years of any successful QB to see what they had done to this point:

Brady- Won Super Bowl 3 out of his first four years as a starter

Manning- Engineered a league-record 10 win turnaround from 3-13 to a 13-3 team, took his Colts to AFC Championship twice

Favre- Four straight playoff appearances, with a championship appearance and an MVP award in that fourth. Never had a losing season until 2005 and has still never missed a game, but you all knew that already.

Montana- Won Super Bowl in his third, strike shortened his fourth

Aikman- Similar to Montana, horrific rookie season followed by mediocre sophomore, than divisional playoff, and then Super Bowl.

Mark fucking Brunell- A championship game appearance, a divisional, and a wildcard appearance in his first four years as a starter.

 

The player Vick resembles the most is Randall Cunningham, his first four years as a starter he missed the playoffs twice and went to a wildcard and divisional game. It'll probably work out the same way too. Vick will end up being a QB for a cursed franchise later on (maybe the Bills?) and lead an amazing offense that will choke in the conference game or Super Bowl.

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Brady, Manning, Palmer, Brees, Bulger, Favre, Delhomme (the Panthers have been more successful in their passing game with him than the Falcons with Vick), Hasselbeck, McNabb, Rivers, and just because Philip only has one solid season under his belt, I'd throw in Pennington also, when not injured.

 

I don't think you can in good faith put players above him that haven't done the things in the postseason that he has done. Like, I wouldn't put Peyton manning above alot of people back when he was 0-forever in the playoffs.

 

And Farves record over his last 4 years to vicks. And brees(although he has had a couple of great seasons now) and Delhommes, and Penningtons.

 

Its easy to say Vick vick vick, but he has had two late season collapses that happen to coincide with a certain coaching staff coming in and making it their team and trading players ending up with a offensive line no bigger than me and a offensive coordinator that has his recievers all run the same routes every play.

 

You can name all you want. But at the end of the day, 4 years as a starter, two playoff apperances, one championship game, one second round loss, and I will put that up against most starting QB's in the league.

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he just needs a coach that can play to his strengths rather than try to change him into what THEY want. You have a run first QB? start creating those sorta plays. This new guy is talking about wanting 65% passing completion per game...that's not Vick's strengths so why force it?

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Brady, Manning, Palmer, Brees, Bulger, Favre, Delhomme (the Panthers have been more successful in their passing game with him than the Falcons with Vick), Hasselbeck, McNabb, Rivers, and just because Philip only has one solid season under his belt, I'd throw in Pennington also, when not injured.

 

I don't think you can in good faith put players above him that haven't done the things in the postseason that he has done. Like, I wouldn't put Peyton manning above alot of people back when he was 0-forever in the playoffs.

 

And Farves record over his last 4 years to vicks. And brees(although he has had a couple of great seasons now) and Delhommes, and Penningtons.

 

Its easy to say Vick vick vick, but he has had two late season collapses that happen to coincide with a certain coaching staff coming in and making it their team and trading players ending up with a offensive line no bigger than me and a offensive coordinator that has his recievers all run the same routes every play.

 

You can name all you want. But at the end of the day, 4 years as a starter, two playoff apperances, one championship game, one second round loss, and I will put that up against most starting QB's in the league.

 

Well... Brady won 3 Super Bowls, Peyton will make more playoff appearances than Vick has ever done, Palmer while he hasn't gotten to the AFC title game is a better passer and that can't be denied, Brees made the NFC title game with the Saints and took San Diego to the playoffs, Marc Bulger... well that's debatable, Brett Favre has won 1 Super Bowl and appeared in another and has taken the Packers to countless playoff berths, Delhomme actually took the Panthers to the Super Bowl and was a few plays away from OT, Hasselbeck took the Seahawks to the Super Bowl and other playoff appearances, McNabb has taken the Eagles to countless NFC title games and a Super Bowl, Rivers looks good but isn't there yet, and Pennington when healthy has taken NY to playoffs a few time. Of all those people I can only consciously put Vick over Bulger, Rivers and Pennington on the basis of what he has accomplished.

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he just needs a coach that can play to his strengths rather than try to change him into what THEY want. You have a run first QB? start creating those sorta plays. This new guy is talking about wanting 65% passing completion per game...that's not Vick's strengths so why force it?

 

Because they want him as healthy as long as he can. Smashing himself up against big defenders every play will shorten his career. The coaches aren't thinking of "How can I thrill the fans", they want to win, and Vick, while not a great passing QB, is passable enough that they have to protect his health so he can try to give them that.

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Brady, Manning, Palmer, Brees, Bulger, Favre, Delhomme (the Panthers have been more successful in their passing game with him than the Falcons with Vick), Hasselbeck, McNabb, Rivers, and just because Philip only has one solid season under his belt, I'd throw in Pennington also, when not injured.

 

I don't think you can in good faith put players above him that haven't done the things in the postseason that he has done. Like, I wouldn't put Peyton manning above alot of people back when he was 0-forever in the playoffs.

 

And Farves record over his last 4 years to vicks. And brees(although he has had a couple of great seasons now) and Delhommes, and Penningtons.

 

Its easy to say Vick vick vick, but he has had two late season collapses that happen to coincide with a certain coaching staff coming in and making it their team and trading players ending up with a offensive line no bigger than me and a offensive coordinator that has his recievers all run the same routes every play.

 

You can name all you want. But at the end of the day, 4 years as a starter, two playoff apperances, one championship game, one second round loss, and I will put that up against most starting QB's in the league.

 

Well... Brady won 3 Super Bowls, Peyton will make more playoff appearances than Vick has ever done, Palmer while he hasn't gotten to the AFC title game is a better passer and that can't be denied, Brees made the NFC title game with the Saints and took San Diego to the playoffs, Marc Bulger... well that's debatable, Brett Favre has won 1 Super Bowl and appeared in another and has taken the Packers to countless playoff berths, Delhomme actually took the Panthers to the Super Bowl and was a few plays away from OT, Hasselbeck took the Seahawks to the Super Bowl and other playoff appearances, McNabb has taken the Eagles to countless NFC title games and a Super Bowl, Rivers looks good but isn't there yet, and Pennington when healthy has taken NY to playoffs a few time. Of all those people I can only consciously put Vick over Bulger, Rivers and Pennington on the basis of what he has accomplished.

 

Yes, but you are also throwing out that Vick has been a starter for 4 years versus the resumes of guys that have been in the league for 10 plus. Yeah, McNabb is a better QB than Vick, Of course Brady is and yeah, So is Peyton (although honestly in a big game, I would take Vick over Manning. Sure, he just won a superbowl, but they guy is a big big choker) There are definately alot of great QB's in the league, but people pretending that Vick is a horrible QB because of passing rating while ignoring actual success is ridiculous.

 

In a QB draft, Vick should not go outside of the top ten and if you would take him out side of there, you should be the new GM of the Lions(i know...low blow).

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I don't think Vick is that horrible of a QB and my "coach killing" comment was intended to mock the whole debacle with Mora, but I accept Vick isn't that great of a QB passing-wise. Big reason is the guys that have pan hands that Atlanta drafted to catch balls, another is the line constantly breaking down and forcing Vick to run. When Vick has time and the receivers, I can see him being a 60% passer that will be good enough to win more games than not. The only issue I have with him is that his attitude has sort of deteriorated over time but I suppose that's to be expected when your skills are called into question every year you come in as starter.