The Dark Knight

[Anakin Flair 0]

Probably more like four years. Nolan likes to do projects in between.

 

But my fear is that, much like X3, Warner Bros will see how much money this movie made and rush a third installment into production. Nolan probably wouldn't do it then, so he'd be out- as would Bale. IF Warner can just take their time and live witha 3-4 year gap, and Nolan and Bale comes back, and the scripts is as good as this was- The third installment could do very well critically and financially. Just not as good as the Dark Knight.

[King Kamala 0]

You would think Warner Brothers would have learned their lesson after what they did with the first Batman series...you would think.

[Matt Young 0]

Saw it at noon today. Best movie I've ever seen, hands down. And the people who say Maggie Gyllenhaal is "ugly" or "hideous" are stupid or blind.

[godthedog 0]

i'm pretty sure they would be okay with another 3-year gap, considering it was 3 years between the first one & this one.

 

something else ledger isn't really getting credit for is that he's a pretty big dude with an impressive physical presence...over 6 feet tall and reasonably well built, like he could take on someone of christian bale's size in a fight. and he downplayed that completely, almost like he was inhabiting another body where he could make himself seem smaller and less imposing. i don't think he ever stood up straight while he was on camera. his posture and his shoulders were always slumped or slanted. that's just some really good control over how he uses his body, to create a consistent impression like that.

[dubq 0]

People are actually saying that Carrey should play the Riddler again? Sorry, if it has to be the Riddler then I'd rather see someone new and fresh take on the role. Carrey had his chance, and he blew. I don't how much he's "grown" as an actor since 1994, I highly doubt he would ever get cast for the Riddler again.

[Black Lushus 0]

Saw it at noon today. Best movie I've ever seen, hands down. And the people who say Maggie Gyllenhaal is "ugly" or "hideous" are stupid or blind.

 

I'm torn on her...she's not ugly or hideous...just someone I may need a few beers in me to seriously consider getting with.

[MFer 0]

She's kind of an aqcuired taste...sometimes I think she's pretty good-looking, other times, meh...depends on the day.

[King Kamala 0]

I think Maggie Gyllenhaal is pretty good looking. I wouldn't put her in The Top 10 thing but I think she's attractive in a girl next door sort of way.

 

 

Speaking of Maggie and Heath Ledger- a name that just popped into my mind RE: The Riddler. Jake Gyllenhaal. He can pull off comedy if he has to (Yes, I'm the guy who liked Bubble Boy) and he can be vaguely sinister- sometimes simultaneously.

[Black Lushus 0]

but...but...he's the next Spider-Man!!!

[Anakin Flair 0]

For those who think that Penguin couldn't work:

 

 

THAT's the Penguin that could work.

[dubq 0]

That Penguin could work as a side villain like Maroni or Falcone was.. but I really couldn't see an entire movie based around him.

 

..and Kamala, comedy isn't what we're looking for in the Riddler. That's one thing that I think the original franchise did to fuck up these characters in people's minds. Pretty much every villain after Batman Returns was a rehash of Nicholson's Joker with the one-liners and stupid puns. Jim Carrey's Riddler = Joker. Tommy Lee Jones' Two-Face = Joker. Arnold's Mr. Freeze = Joker. *sigh*

 

 

[King Kamala 0]

I don't mean comedic in the sense of the Burton/Schumacher villains but a more subtle, dark type of comedy like Ledger was with the Joker. Nobody wants to see him like he was in Batman Forever but I don't want it played 100% straight. There's got to be some semblence of fun with characters like The Joker and The Riddler.

[dubq 0]

..anyway, there's a huge chance that the third film will be the final in this version of the franchise. I think what the series needs is the be all and end all of Batman villains.

 

I was thinking about this earlier.. who, outside of the usual suspects that we've all talked about, could be this villain? I could only come up with HUSH. For anyone who knows the Hush story.. and the uncertainty to what happened to Dent in this film (yes, we KNOW the book said he dies, but plots can be changed.. which is probably why the movie doesn't definitively say he's dead) ..I think this would be an awesome continuation in the series and make for the ultimate ending to the trilogy.

 

For those who don't know the story and are willing to be spoiled, go here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush_%28comic...2Hush_Begins.22

 

Obviously a few things would have to be changed to fit in with the movie canon, but otherwise I think it'd make for a great storyline to play out on the big screen. Plus, you get your Riddler appearance if they were to keep that part.

 

I also thought of Knightfall.. but I dunno.. Bane can be menacing and all, but I think he might be too cartoony or over the top for this version of the franchise.

 

Thoughts on Hush?

[King Kamala 0]

I don't know multiple villains in one movie hurt The Burton/Schumacher series (and truth be told it hurt The Dark Knight a tad) just as much as the cartoonish over the top portrayals of said villains. And I think Hush is too obscure of a villain for the casual fan. Though they could probably stick me in as the villain of the next Batman movie and it'd still make $200 million.

 

 

And fuck you for giving me the "...anyway" treatment! My opinions aren't that stupid!

[Anakin Flair 0]

..anyway, there's a huge chance that the third film will be the final in this version of the franchise. I think what the series needs is the be all and end all of Batman villains.

 

I was thinking about this earlier.. who, outside of the usual suspects that we've all talked about, could be this villain? I could only come up with HUSH. For anyone who knows the Hush story.. and the uncertainty to what happened to Dent in this film (yes, we KNOW the book said he dies, but plots can be changed.. which is probably why the movie doesn't definitively say he's dead) ..I think this would be an awesome continuation in the series and make for the ultimate ending to the trilogy.

 

For those who don't know the story and are willing to be spoiled, go here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush_%28comic...2Hush_Begins.22

 

Obviously a few things would have to be changed to fit in with the movie canon, but otherwise I think it'd make for a great storyline to play out on the big screen. Plus, you get your Riddler appearance if they were to keep that part.

 

I also thought of Knightfall.. but I dunno.. Bane can be menacing and all, but I think he might be too cartoony or over the top for this version of the franchise.

 

Thoughts on Hush?

 

I thought about Hush as the third movie- the problem is, I just can't see how they could do it. The big thing with Hush was that just about every major villian int eh Batman universe played a small part- from Catwoman, to Ivy, to Killer Croc. Even Jason Todd got some play (allegedly). Also several hero's were also involved- Oracle, Nightwing, Robin, and Superman. There would be just too much going on. Unless all they used was the Hush character, but even then I don't think it would be as good.

 

As for Knightfall- it's too soon in his career. This is supposed to be Batman in his early years, and I can't see the Bne storyline playing out so soon.

[dubq 0]

nd fuck you for giving me the "...anyway" treatment! My opinions aren't that stupid!

 

I was writing that before I even saw your reply.

[dubq 0]

I thought about Hush as the third movie- the problem is, I just can't see how they could do it. The big thing with Hush was that just about every major villian int eh Batman universe played a small part- from Catwoman, to Ivy, to Killer Croc. Even Jason Todd got some play (allegedly). Also several hero's were also involved- Oracle, Nightwing, Robin, and Superman. There would be just too much going on. Unless all they used was the Hush character, but even then I don't think it would be as good.

 

As for Knightfall- it's too soon in his career. This is supposed to be Batman in his early years, and I can't see the Bne storyline playing out so soon.

 

They'd definitely have to change the plot a lot to do Hush, but I think it'd be doable. They'd just have to be clever about it. No villain has figured out who he is yet, so I think it's a safe bet that that will probably be a plot device for the next film. I think a tweaking of Hush as someone from Bruce's past who already hates his guts would be pretty cool. I'm sure it'll never happen, though...

[King Kamala 0]

nd fuck you for giving me the "...anyway" treatment! My opinions aren't that stupid!

 

I was writing that before I even saw your reply.

 

Ah, it's cool. It was mostly written in jest.

 

You know after letting the movie sink in and thinking about it, I'm kind of pissed at Heath Ledger for dying. I would have gladly plunked down $9 to see another Batman/Joker showdown and they did leave it open (rumor has it that Ledger was contracted for two movies). But now that he's dead, I think there's a 99% chance that we won't see him again (at least not anytime in this Batman series) and The Joker was the one obvious, indisputable choice out of all of Batman's nemeses.

[dubq 0]

I would've loved another movie with the Joker.. but after that performance, I'd rather not have him recast. I think they should just leave it as is. That said, I wonder that if we get to see the inside of Arkham in the next movie that you'll hear a soundbyte of Ledger's Joker laugh somewhere in the background as a bit of a shout out. That would be pretty cool, actually.

[Anakin Flair 0]

I thought about Hush as the third movie- the problem is, I just can't see how they could do it. The big thing with Hush was that just about every major villian int eh Batman universe played a small part- from Catwoman, to Ivy, to Killer Croc. Even Jason Todd got some play (allegedly). Also several hero's were also involved- Oracle, Nightwing, Robin, and Superman. There would be just too much going on. Unless all they used was the Hush character, but even then I don't think it would be as good.

 

As for Knightfall- it's too soon in his career. This is supposed to be Batman in his early years, and I can't see the Bne storyline playing out so soon.

 

They'd definitely have to change the plot a lot to do Hush, but I think it'd be doable. They'd just have to be clever about it. No villain has figured out who he is yet, so I think it's a safe bet that that will probably be a plot device for the next film. I think a tweaking of Hush as someone from Bruce's past who already hates his guts would be pretty cool. I'm sure it'll never happen, though...

 

Well techincally Ra's figured it out- and we all know how he likes comming back from the dead. OR he told Talia.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

I saw it again tonight and The Joker was even better the 2nd time around. Fantastic movie, and the 2nd viewing really brought up a ton of foreshadowing and interesting little details peppered throughout the movie.

 

Every line delivery from Joker was utterly fantastic, I could watch each scene over and over again. Seriously this Joker is legendary, hannibal lector darth vader type legendary.

 

I'd have to say the most chilling line delivery is when he's taunting that cop in the interrogation room about his friends, when he talks about seeing the real person right before they die, it made me think of heath ledger and his death and brought a really creepy subtext to the whole scene.

 

and honestly if anyone here thinks Christopher Nolan is going to direct a version of "Hush" (the story arc), then you haven't been paying attention. I like how somebody said 'they'd have to change the plot a lot'... no they'd have to change the plot, period. Hush was a great fun read but it was a completely typical "comic plot".

if he does do The Riddler, why would anyone be worried at all? Didn't you see Batman Begins and The Dark Knight? There is no possible way Nolan's Riddler would be anything at all like Carrey's over the top Riddler.

I could see Nolan re-imagining the Riddler as a tech-based villian, sort of a brilliant hacker type or something like that, who leaves digital markers/riddles. I only think this because of the plot thread with Bruce making that Sonar Big Brother machine, it feels like the start of something, maybe involving the whole new 'digital world' somehow.

[Golgo 13 0]

I was thinking about this earlier.. who, outside of the usual suspects that we've all talked about, could be this villain? I could only come up with HUSH.

 

I brought him up a while ago. I think Nolan could do a great Hush adaptation with the adequate changes, but it's something that I don't think can be told in even two and a half hours. I think it needs and deserves the span of two movies to play out fully. In any case, it'd be a great follow-up to Dent and a good send off for Nolan's Batman.

 

I might've brought up Bane for a drastically altered KnightFall storyline, which doesn't sound so hot now that I think about it. I haven't seen Gotham Knight, so I don't know how Deadshot's story ended up and if he could be brought back, but I thought of him playing some role. Black Mask, too, but his story is one that's similar to Hush in scope and regards to Bruce, and would also need some time, nor do I think he's a top flight type villain... but he was apparently in the rough draft for Begins. With no apparent plans to include Catwoman, Penguin, Freeze, or Ivy in a role, Riddler seems like the only name choice, really, unless they bring Scarecrow back. Black Mask/Riddler in the third and Riddler/Hush in a fourth with Deadshot/a couple fan service fights somewhere in the two as the finale would be good stuff.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Saw it at noon today. Best movie I've ever seen, hands down. And the people who say Maggie Gyllenhaal is "ugly" or "hideous" are stupid or blind.

 

She isn't hideous and she does a nice job of masking her most unattractive feature (her nose). But her nose looks familiar any time her head is even slightly turned upward...

 

 

 

[DarKnight 0]

and honestly if anyone here thinks Christopher Nolan is going to direct a version of "Hush" (the story arc), then you are lacking basic intelligence and haven't been paying attention.

if he does do The Riddler, why would anyone be worried at all? Didn't you see Batman Begins and The Dark Knight? There is no possible way Nolan's Riddler would be anything at all like Carrey's over the top Riddler.

I could see Nolan re-imagining the Riddler as a tech-based villian, sort of a brilliant hacker type or something like that, who leaves digital markers/riddles. I only think this because of the plot thread with Bruce making that Sonar Big Brother machine, it feels like the start of something, maybe involving the whole new 'digital world' somehow.

 

I agree with you, people are going way to far for ideas in the next movie. I think its going to be something like the Riddler as the main villain, Catwoman as the bizarre love interest, and maybe have the Penguin as as his comics characterization, and have him be an arms dealer. Maybe have Batman get information about criminals from him, since he knows every scum in the city. The Riddler would be re-imagined of course, just like Nolan made the Joker, very true to the comics, but gives a realistic spin to them.

[Golgo 13 0]

I think most refer to those outside the box like Hush because Catwoman, Penguin and the like don't seem to be the favorites to be included. Not that I really believe it, however, since Nolan could always pull a rabbit out and surprise everyone.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

An arms dealer is a good way to go with Penguin (i think Dark Knight kinda makes normal 'mob bosses' look like yesterday's news). Another diea I had was for Cobblepot to be sort of a Bruce Wayne type, a public multi-millionaire, played by Phillip Seymour Hoffman. Thus giving plenty of opportunities to have scenes with Bruce Wayne (and Lucius Fox) and Penguin.

 

Also both movies focus heavily on "Gotham" almost as an entity in of itself, which is why I could see some sort of plot of someone digitally taking over Gotham, maybe someone abusing Wayne Enterprises' Big Brother technology somehow. Digital corruption is the sort of theme I could see Christopher Nolan handling - the Riddler could easily be like the villain from Die Hard 4, except, you know, with great acting and without sucking ass and being such a pussy.

[RedJed 0]

Denied AGAIN on seeing TDK around here, sold out Thursday night for the first showings, all day yesterday, and then a third try tonight at 1010 was all for naught, a crew of us went up after the WWE ppv and got the news. I gotta just order them in advance online or something, damn.

[At Home 0]

People are actually saying that Carrey should play the Riddler again? Sorry, if it has to be the Riddler then I'd rather see someone new and fresh take on the role. Carrey had his chance, and he blew. I don't how much he's "grown" as an actor since 1994, I highly doubt he would ever get cast for the Riddler again.

 

I'm sure that was a matter of direction, not how Carrey personally painted the character. The whole movie was silly, and it was supposed to be a silly role. Frankly, I think he'd be pretty good as the Joker again as long as they pointed him in the right direction.

 

Saw it again today, and Gyllenhall's performance stood out more to me this time, not in a good way. The lines are poorly written, and I don't think that she had enough teeth to play the parts that required them. Some of the other parts were performed fine, but nothing really above satisfactorily.

 

My vote for a Joker recast if there is one: DiCaprio.

 

Why don't they do Holiday for the next one? You could tweak the story to accommodate for Dent, and I think it would be a pretty bitchin part.

 

 

[Anakin Flair 0]

Here are two more obscure villians they could use for a third movie- David Cain- the worlds deadliest assasin (and father of Casandra Cain, the new Batgirl), or LAdy Shiva- the world's deadliest martial artist (and motehr of Cassandra Cain). Either or both would work real well for a more realistic Batman like Nolan is doing.

[Nighthawk 0]

I actually really like Maggie Gyllenhaal for some reason.

 

Guy Pearce I also heard mentioned for a Joker recast.