Hostel 2

[converge241 0]

Watched a bootleg of it last night..Eli Roth has topped the 1st one

 

SPOILERS (highlight)

 

Movie starts with some cleanup of the Hostel..burning of victim info with the credits..then we are on a train and authorities are waking up Paxton from the 1st flick after he escaped..they question about him about the dead man in the bathroom and show their tatoos and then start to cut away at him..then he wakes up safe in his girlfriends house after dreaming the previous sequence. You think he is safe but shortly after his girlfriend comes down stairs and paxton is at the breakfast table headless as a cat eats away at the gore. The girls in the movie are students in Italy and after a while they end up being suckered into ending up at the Hostel. It takes a wile to get going again, there is a nice bidding war scene over the girls once they check in but a lot of waiting, but when it does Matarrazzo's character goes 1st being setup in a Lady Bathory type torture where a woman has bought her to hange her upside down and use a scythe to cut her up and bathe in her blodd, slashing away at her back and then finally her throat and the blood pours over her. Bijou Philips and the other actress were bought by an intense psycho rich guy and his quiet wimpy buddy. The meek guy is even scared to get the bloodhound tatoo but is forced to. The psycho guy gets Bijou and the quiet guy gets the other actress. The psycho guy terrorizes bijou with a saw but the plug pulls out and hes laughing manically while teasing her. Evntually though he cuts her pretty bad with a saw and freaks out and tries to leave but the owners sic the dogs on him saying he must kill her. And of course you realize the movie is pulling an old switcheroo role reversal on these two guys. Sure enough the quiet guy in the other room starts totally losing it and does torture her (and buys whats left of bijou as well to finish off). Bijou dies but the other girl does of course outsmart him and turn the tables and offers to buy her way out when the owners come in. The owners say its not that simple, that she must kill the guy. She does..BY RIPPING HIS EQUIPMENT OFF AND FEEDING IT TO THE DOG all visibily on camera..she then get the tatoo herself (on the small of the back..how chic) and then gets some revnege on the person who set her up.....some other cool things were: The return of those gangs of children (including one of those kids gettting shot point blank), a triphy room with Paxton's head, and very quickly theres a nice scene when some photos are shown and the even girls from the 1st one are in it...oh and those kids play soccer with a head that was cut off..good stuff...sorry for the rambling review but writing it right before starting work trying to rush through

 

Recomended!

[Black Lushus 0]

is Jay Hernandez in this again? cameo maybe?

[Youth N Asia 0]

I am seeing it sometime this weekend. It's at the drive in with Bug...but I can't talk my girl into that one.

[cd213 0]

Yes, Jay Hernandez has a part in this one. The movie starts where the second one left off.

 

I really enjoyed this film. I thought it was better than the first film, and I LOVED the first one (I am a huge Roth fan and enjoy everything he's done).

[Youth N Asia 0]

I didn't love Cabin Fever, but while watching it I was wondering what the director was going to do next. And I love the first Hostle. I hope 2 has a good opening for Eli

[converge241 0]

I like aspects of Fever..and for the record while i loved Hostel 2 itcould have been "better" of course but im sure he will get better as he makes more..definetly has huge potential

 

I actually like his acting too or when he has done stuff like the scariest movie countdown on Bravo..funny guy

 

everyone should enjoy the opening

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Well, that fucking sucks to hear about Paxton dying. I hate that trend in horror movies where if you survive the first movie, you're gonna die in the sequel!

[dubq 0]

This was alright. Better than the first, but I'm still not on the Eli Roth bandwagon.

[Jingus 0]

I dunno about Roth. The only thing of his I've ever seen was the "Thanksgiving!" trailer in Grindhouse, and I thought it was one of the most repellent and misogynistic things I'd ever seen. Plus, he comes off as a smarmy douchebag in that Scariest Movie Moments thing, at least to me anyway. And finally, I just don't like Saw type horror movies where we sit and watch dumbass teenagers get tortured with power tools for an entire movie. So, having said that, is there really any reason for me to spend money to watch Hostel?

[Downhome 0]

I don't get the love for this one at all. In my opinion this flick was a complete and utter piece of shit in just about every single way possible. There's nothing to it at all - I mean, really, I just don't see how anyone could actually say that this is a good flick with a straight face. I can understand some people being entertained by it and enjoying it on that level, but I just don't see how anyone could honestly say they really, truly, believe it's a straight up solid well made film. I've been feeling like I'm getting sick of these types of films, and I think I just might know that for sure now.

 

Then we have Eli Roth himself. I liked Cabin Fever and even the first Hostel, and I was starting to think that there just might be something to this guy, and he might be able to do something new for the horror genre. I still think that's sorta true, but I don't like what I'm seeing him help to do horror. Any numbfuck could put together a flick like Hostel 2. As of right now, my opinion is that Eli Roth is far from any sort of "horror genius". He's nothing more than the next run-of-the-mill filmmaking asshole douchebag tool with an ego way too big for his own good, with a sick fuck twist added to it.

 

I'm hoping he can prove me wrong, I'm usually willing to give filmmakers multiple chances, so I guess we'll see. But for now, meh, just meh.

[Nighthawk 0]

I dunno about Roth. The only thing of his I've ever seen was the "Thanksgiving!" trailer in Grindhouse, and I thought it was one of the most repellent and misogynistic things I'd ever seen. Plus, he comes off as a smarmy douchebag in that Scariest Movie Moments thing, at least to me anyway. And finally, I just don't like Saw type horror movies where we sit and watch dumbass teenagers get tortured with power tools for an entire movie.

 

Eli Roth is my inspiration as a filmmaker. If I ever get any of my movies made, this is exactly the type of thing I want people saying about me.

 

He's nothing more than the next run of a mill filmmaking asshole douchebag tool with an ego way too big for his own good, with a sick fuck twist added to it.

 

This too.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

Random thoughts. Don't read ahead if you haven't seen it and don't want to be spoiled.

 

I saw this the first day it came out. This was the first movie I've seen in theatres since World Trade Center on August 23, 06.

 

I can't wait to see 1480 in July (preview shown as a coming attraction).

 

Am I the ONLY one who thought that this film ended ridiculously abruptly? The credits started rolling and I was like "WTF?!"

 

How the fuck could they promote this in commercials as "the most shocking ending in horror film history?" Are they out of their mind? There are TONS of horror films like Dark Corners I've seen that have ten times as shocking an ending, and I'm sure there are even more shocking ones out there that I haven't seen. Hell, the ending of the first Hostel was arguably more surprising than this ending.

 

All in all, it was good for what it was. The lack of sex compared to the first sucked, the character development was decent.

 

I was surprised Lorna died so early. I figured the geeky girl would survive till the end.

 

Hated how Stuart turned back and forth. Especially the last turn where he tried to kill her - that was totally unexplained...or maybe I just didn't understand it. WTF was she talking about saying he was confusing her with his wife but she wasn't his wife? That was weird.

 

Whatever happened to the hot chick that Richard Burgi purchased? Did she die? Survive? Her face looked pretty fucked up but I thought she was still alive.

 

I too was kinda pissed that Paxton died so early. I did like the touch of his head being in the trophy room though.

[Nighthawk 0]

^ You need to pay closer attention. A lot of those questions have pretty obvious answers.

 

The most shocking ending is the guy's junk being cut off; not shock like surprise, shock like awe. I dunno... I've watched some pretty fucked up stuff. Mainstream wise, it was pretty bad. Yeah, you don't usually get pickle shots at all, much less having it cut off and fed to a dog. Yes, that definitely holds a claim to most shocking ending ever.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

I loved the ending--really, all three aspects of it:

 

1. Penis-be-gone, which was graphic, supremely wince-inducing, and one of those places you don't really expect a movie to go.

 

2. Our heroine survives not by running around and screaming and sneaking through dark hallways, but by buying her way out of it and making a business deal. Makes perfect sense.

 

3. The hilarious soccer-with-a-head scene, followed by the abrupt cut to the credits and silly music. I loved it when he did that in Cabin Fever too. The kid "scoring" and then taking off his jersey was brilliantly retarded/hilarious/great.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

I go back and fourth on if I want to see this one or not. Absolutely loved the first, gore notwithstanding. Oddly enough, I just loved the characters and the whole scenario of a business centered around buying torture, a lovely contrast to the horny guys wanting to buy sex and becoming the whores themselves. (Plus, Paxton and Josh -- just loved their friendship.)

 

From the trailers of Hostel 2, it looks like Roth just amped up the sexuality with female protagonists, and the gore/torture-porn, as the genre has been called.

 

So... against the first Hostel, how does the sequel compare?

[Nighthawk 0]

No, no... Yuna, if you like the gay, you won't like this one. But if you like the lez, you gonna love it. Neither of those apply to actual sex, btw.

 

The answer is better.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

No, no... Yuna, if you like the gay, you won't like this one. But if you like the lez, you gonna love it. Neither of those apply to actual sex, btw.

 

The answer is better.

I was trying not to use 'the gay' to describe Paxton/Josh but... okay, yes, I think they were awesome together. Even as a genuine, no-benefits friendship. As for 'the lez', I'm indifferent. More often than not in cinema, its used as a tease/titillation thing than actual, y'know, character development.

 

I'll download it any ol' way, give it a look-see. More curious about the torturers and the workings of that business than any flash of boobies.

 

Edit: Holy shit, Roger Bart is in this?!? Okay, only knowing him from The Producers, I definetly gotta see this.

[Nighthawk 0]

Well, you're already sold, but I'll still comment that there is really a lot of sapphic interplay in this, not done for teasing purposes, but truly genuine, and in some cases utterly disturbing. Very little nudity or what I'd call overt lezness, but there is that undercurrent there.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Am I, like, the only hardcore horror fan that just doesn't give two flying fucks about Hostel? I saw it, thought it was tame as shit (rented the unrated version) outside of the Asian chick's eye, and just felt that it took way too long for the main character to get involved in everything for his "revenge" killing to matter at all.

 

Cabin Fever I don't care for much, either. I didn't dislike it, like I do Hostel, but it just could have been so much more. The cast was tight (Sean Hunter vs. flesh-eating disease!?!?! ROCK N' ROLL!), but...there was just something missing, I felt. Maybe that's going to be Roth's calling-card: he's two steps ahead of Paul WS Anderson, even if Event Horizon smokes the three Roth flicks on the market right now, but he's not near a Tobe Hooper, Don Coscarelli (disregarding Phantasm III), or Sam Raimi.

[Gary Floyd 0]

I liked it. It's not a bad horror movie, and the ending is awesome. It's actually better than the first one in some aspects, particularly the fact that the humor feels less forced. He seems to be maturing a bit as a film maker. Granted, he's not the best horror director working right now (Neil Marshall's"The Descent" is one of my favorite horror movies in a really long time), but he's no where near the Uwe Boll 2.0 some say he is.

 

 

I'm really interested in seeing what he can do with Stephen King's "Cell." I have a feeling it will be much better than the upcoming adaptation of "I Am Legend"

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Who would say he's Uwe Boll 2.0? That's fucking ludicrous. All it takes is watching a Roth flick and seeing that even though he's rough around the edges and green as healthy grass, he still has some talent. Boll has none.

[Jingus 0]

Neil Marshall's"The Descent" is one of my favorite horror movies in a really long time

 

A-shityeah-men to that one. Another movie with subtle sappho undertones that are never really explored before most of the characters die screaming. And one of the best damn horror movies since... uh... since... well, let's just say a really long time.

[Gary Floyd 0]

Who would say he's Uwe Boll 2.0? That's fucking ludicrous. All it takes is watching a Roth flick and seeing that even though he's rough around the edges and green as healthy grass, he still has some talent. Boll has none.

I know you never said that. I just said that some people are like that.

[randomguy 0]

Calling these movies "horror" is really a stretch. There isn't anything horrific about them, nor is there any real suspense. A lot of horror movies these days are just vehicles for cool death scenes and nothing more.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

But that's what drives the bulk of horror flicks: death and/or pain. Nothing is more feared than death in most cultures, save for maybe torture, so...there. My problem with most "grindhouse throwbacks" is that the bulk of them LACK the grindhouse feel. Most of them feel too polished, not real enough. Texas Chainsaw Massacre worked because it LOOKED REAL. The film was grainy (even for the standards at the time), the characters were your average group of rock n' roll-loving teens without much development, and the story was just weird and brutal enough that it managed to be considered a Video Nasty when it has LESS VIOLENCE AND GORE in it than even fucking Jaws. If you're going to make a brutal, horrific flick that deals primarily with torture and the shock value that the camera isn't turning away, then you need to go all-out and say "fuck the budget," or else it will just come across as relatively lame.

[Jingus 0]

Exactly. And that's one of many reasons I hated the TCM remake: it changed the characters to make them more artificially disturbing and/or cool, focused way too much on "kills" and gore, and the creepy crappy house of the original was turned into a generic Rundown Horror Movie Mansion with art direction straight outta Silence of the Lambs and the thousand other flicks that ripped off Buffalo Bill's basement.

[Downhome 0]

From Eli Roth's MySpace blog:

 

Hey Everyone,

 

I'm in Paris, doing press for the French release of Hostel Part II, and tonight I'm off to Rome for the last leg of the press tour. After that I'm going to take a long overdue break, since I've gone from one film to the next without stopping, just to recharge my brain a bit.

 

I want to thank all of you for your kind e-mails and incredible support for the film. However, piracy has become worse than ever now, and a stolen workprint (with uninished music, no sound effects, and no VFX) leaked out on line before the release, and is really hurting us, especially internationally. Piracy will be the death of the film industry, as it killed the music industry, and while it makes a smaller dent in huge movies like Spider Man 3, it really hurts films like mine, which have far less of an advertising and production budget. Not only that, critics have actually been REVIEWING the film based off the pirated copy, which is inexcusable. Some of these critics I have actually known for a few years, and while I wouldn't dignify them by mentioning them by name, I know who they are, as do the studios, and other filmmakers, and they will no longer have any access to any of my films.

 

What I'm saying is, this is your last chance to see one of my films for a while. If you haven't seen it, go now, because after next weekend the film will be gone from theaters. There are too many other summer movies coming in, so basically we get two weeks in cinemas, and then the film will live on DVD. I am not directing CELL any time soon, and I most likely will take the rest of the year to write my other projects. Which means I wouldn't shoot until the spring, and you wouldn't see a film directed by me in the cinemas until at least next fall. If everyone on my friends list went to see the film this weekend and brought a friend, it would make a huge difference. Bring a non-horror fan - try to convert them. It's the only way these films will live. But right now the R rated horror film is in serious jeopardy. Studios feel the public doesn't want them any more, and so they are only putting PG-13 films into production. The only way to counter this perception is to get out there and support R rated horror. It's the only message they'll hear. People love the movie, and even though it only cost $10 million dollars (as opposed to the other summer tentpoles which cost $300 million), and has already earned its money back, if it's not a massive money earner then they'll just continue to make the same PG-13 films everyone complained about a few years ago.

 

To counter piracy, fans can flood file sharing services with fake Hostel II downloads just so no one can ever actually get the movie, but the only thing that really makes a difference is supporting the movie in the theaters. Also - the theater OWNERS know this as well. If horror movies aren't bringing in customers, they're not going to program them. If we are going to send them a message, we have to do it with our wallets, and we have to do it now. I've done all I can to make a great film for the fans, as violent and bloody and fun as possible. The rest is up to you guys...

 

Thanks again for all your support,

 

Eli

 

Translation: It's everyone else's fault, and not his, that Hostel 2 did very shitty at the box office, and received shitty reviews from most critics and horror fans alike.

 

There's so much pure bullshit in that blog post that I'm not even going to bother commenting on it all.

 

Not to mention that the horror genre goes through trends, and the trend of the torture-porn/gore horror film is more than likely starting to slow down now. That's nothing new at all, that's just how it is with horror. Every 3-5 years the horror trend changes, and something new starts up. Before the current trend it was the Asian horror trend, before that was the ghost story, and before that was the slasher trend, and so on.

[Jingus 0]

Exactly. If Hostel 2 had been released before the entire Saw trilogy had finished, it might've had a chance, but probably not now. When you've already got imitators like Turistas beating your sequel to the box office, the market has been flooded and there's much less chance for the film to succeed.

 

Also, "omg piracy will kill the film industry"? BWA HA HA HAAAA. Only if everyone is willing and able to find and download an entire movie (not that easy to do), put up with the usual shitty quality, and watch it all on their computer. Once technology improves and you can watch a perfect print on a cheap bigscreen tv then people might stop going to theaters in droves, but not anytime real soon. This is nothing like the music industry, where people would much rather spend a couple minutes downloading the good half of the songs on an album instead of paying for it.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

That post of Roth's is well... does he seem a bit egotistical to anyone else? Maybe not quite the word, but the general vibe of that post is that the entire R-rated horror film genre depends on his film. Especially laughable is "Bring a non-horror fan - try to convert them." Uhm, yeah. Like Hostel 2 is the film to 'convert' a non-horror fan. The first, yes, depending how squeamish the friend is. The sequel would've been a lot better - character-wise - had it focused more on the businessmen instead of the victims.

[dubq 0]

That post of Roth's is well... does he seem a bit egotistical to anyone else? Maybe not quite the word, but the general vibe of that post is that the entire R-rated horror film genre depends on his film. Especially laughable is "Bring a non-horror fan - try to convert them." Uhm, yeah. Like Hostel 2 is the film to 'convert' a non-horror fan. The first, yes, depending how squeamish the friend is. The sequel would've been a lot better - character-wise - had it focused more on the businessmen instead of the victims.

 

I've heard some first-hand stories that Eli Roth is a complete dick. Based on this, I've a feeling that his character in Death Proof is more him than actual acting.