Is your dislike for a artist due to them or their fans?

[Copper Feel 0]

No, being a transexual does not detract from a person's musical ability, having never met a transexual before I found it somewhat strange when she was right next to me is all. Actually, this is relevant to the question this thread poses though.

 

Industrial music relies heavily on electronics right? I find that extremly hard to get past.

[razazteca 0]

I dislike the fans that think they must have what I will call the faux emo middle class suburban whiteboy mohawk to be a fan of a certain band.

[Nighthawk 0]

Industrial music relies heavily on electronics right? I find that extremly hard to get past.

 

Well, it does, and it doesn't. Basically there's your Wumpscut, Zeromancer, Die Artse type industrial (and to a lesser extent, stuff like Nine Inch Nails), which is basically dance music. But then your first generation industrial was completely different. Throbbing Gristle really were the only true industrial band, it was a label they invented, and their early work is sick genius. Foetus is also very, very good and recorded in many different styles, always planted in industrial. He also recorded under many, many different names. A good bit of them had some variation of Foetus in them, so that's a catch all name. JG Thirlwell is his real name. He did the theme for Venture Bros.

[At Home 0]

Experimental indie fans bother me too. For what it's worth, the music isn't that bad, but the fans make such a goddamned deal out of it. Anyone who puts some sort of weird instrument into their music is automatically a "genius", I guess.

[Gary Floyd 0]

Thirlwell never really considered himself industrial. He hates that term in a matter of fact.

 

Also, good to see a fellow Thirlwell fan. I'm fucking addicted to his stuff right now. You heard any of his stuff as Manorexia?

[Nighthawk 0]

That's good of Thirlwell, because, as I said, there was only one industrial band. Then again, GG Allin never called himself punk, and in fact was rather contemptuous toward the scene, but he was still the punkest thing ever.

 

The only Manorexia I've heard was what he put up on his website, but it was good, and I hear good things. Bit like Fantomas.

 

Here's an obscurish Thirlwell track for you... his cover with Lydia Lunch of "Don't Fear the Reaper". It's interesting. I paid like 30$ for the out of print EP. Probably shouldn't have. The most I've ever spent on a cd was 50$ for Foetus Inc.'s Sink (this record was also tied by Diamanda Galas' Divine Punishment/Saint of the Pit). Nuts, but it has my absolute favorite Thirlwell song, "The Only Good Christian Is A Dead Christian". To this day, I don't regret that purchase, though. That record is wall to wall awesome, I listen to it all the time.

[Nighthawk 0]

That's good of Thirlwell, because, as I said, there was only one industrial band. Then again, GG Allin never called himself punk, and in fact was rather contemptuous toward the scene, but he was still the punkest thing ever.

 

The only Manorexia I've heard was what he put up on his website, but it was good, and I hear good things. Bit like Fantomas.

 

Here's an obscurish Thirlwell track for you... his cover with Lydia Lunch of "Don't Fear the Reaper". It's interesting. I paid like 30$ for the out of print EP. Probably shouldn't have. The most I've ever spent on a cd was 50$ for Foetus Inc.'s Sink (this record was also tied by Diamanda Galas' Divine Punishment/Saint of the Pit). Nuts, but it has my absolute favorite Thirlwell song, "The Only Good Christian Is A Dead Christian". To this day, I don't regret that purchase, though. That record is wall to wall awesome, I listen to it all the time.

[Gary Floyd 0]

The only Manorexia I've heard was what he put up on his website, but it was good, and I hear good things. Bit like Fantomas.

Get the Manorexia albums, especially Radiolarian Ooze. I can see the Fantomas comparisons, but it's more like a more ambient, more psychedelic Steroid Maximus.

 

fun fact: My TSM blog is named after a Foetus song

[At Home 0]

Dane Cook.

 

Half and half. Half being his shitty standup and half of which being the goddamned fucking fans always saying FUCK CHICKS I JUST WANT TO DANCE LOLOLOLOL. Shut up. It's not funny anymore. It was funny the first time, and that's it.

[Darthtiki 0]

What I can't stand is the kids who wear the retro tour or old band shirts and have no clue about the bands they represent. For example, last year at my kid brother's 10th birthday one of his classmates wore a Pink Floyd DSM shirts and I wanted to ask him to name info about the band. As for the retro concert shirts, there should be a criteria to wear one unless you were at that tour.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

I thought it was already common respect and shit to not wear a tour shirt unless you were at the tour. Much like how you shouldn't wear the shirt of the band you're going to see (though that's a toss-up: if there are many other bands, you're allowed, as you're wearing the shirt of the band you most want to see; if it's just the band and one or two opening acts, no).

[Nighthawk 0]

I wear a Christina Aguilera European tour shirt, and I wasn't there.

[tominator89 0]

The t-shirt wearing "rules" are ridiculous. I've been hounded about that in the past and each time I tell the person to get a life.

[Maztinho 0]

I know it's a little past it's hot prime, but I hated Blink 182 and other such new punk bands. A girl did a report on "punk" talking only about Blink, Good Charlotte, and whatever other band was the shit at the time, and stated to the effect that Green Day started punk. The teacher asked for comments at the end and I lit her up asking how she could get the start of punk wrong by 20 years and not mention, The Ramones, Sex Pistols, or Black Flag.

 

 

what was her response? I used to love asking questions of that sort in school.

 

She just sort of stared at me and tried to backout of her statement that Green Day started punk with they started modern "pop-punk." I don't usually get pissy about that sort of stuff but if she's going to do a report "On the History of Punk" at least say the names, Ramones, Sex Pistols, etc in one sentence and then go onto your poster collection that was the majority of her report.

 

Don't say, "I love punk music" and then not know who the Ramones are. I don't know that much about music, but damnit I know key players.

[Red Baron 0]

The t-shirt wearing "rules" are ridiculous. I've been hounded about that in the past and each time I tell the person to get a life.

 

Exactly. I'm wearing my Sad Wings of Destiny t-shirt, and what is wrong with wearing a band t-shirt at their concert. It's a t-shirt of a band that you like and you are seeing them.

[Exslade ZX 0]

I know it's a little past it's hot prime, but I hated Blink 182 and other such new punk bands. A girl did a report on "punk" talking only about Blink, Good Charlotte, and whatever other band was the shit at the time, and stated to the effect that Green Day started punk. The teacher asked for comments at the end and I lit her up asking how she could get the start of punk wrong by 20 years and not mention, The Ramones, Sex Pistols, or Black Flag.

 

 

what was her response? I used to love asking questions of that sort in school.

Music snobs are annoying. Really, what was the point of that? Whenever I hear people call others out like that, it just seems like a case of them trying to be an ass. Who cares what she labeled the music she listened to? (Especially when it's not far off) Hell, if I want to say Tina Turner's music was Rock, so be it.

 

Not to mention that now, what's considered "Punk" is totally different from past times. Bands like Blink, Good Charlotte, Green Day, are what a lot, if not most people in this generation consider Punk. If a 10 yr old, wants to give a presentation to his class on "My Favorite Punk bands" (Or something a little less opiniated) there's no reason he has to detail the history of the Ramones and the Sex Pistols. And there's also no reason that if he says his favorite punk band is Blink, he has to do that whole "Post-Modern Pop Punk etc." crap description that music snobs as I call them so intently require.

 

And on the subject of the thread, I think that mentality puts quite a bit of distaste in people who don't listen to older bands, because the attitude of their fans, is even more annoying then the fans of "Shitty MTV music" as described in the thread.

[Guest •]

Are you a 15-year-old girl, or are you just trying to sleep with one?

They're great. You all just have bad taste in music.

>_>.

But no really, I'm serious.

 

 

The feeling I get from some...is that pretty much anything popular sucks.

 

Which is pretty stupid.

 

Alright, as a huge Fall Out Boy fan, I will say, that cover sucked.

 

But...going and listening to the Joy Division song (who before entering this thread, I had never heard of..yea, I listen to pop punk, so what) it was just as shitty.

 

Everyone always hates on these popular/"MTV" bands, but the shit they listen to, or consider "classics" are just that.

The next intelligent thought Exslade has in this folder will be the first.

[Slayer 0]

I get the feeling Exslade is intent on trying to put the indie posters in their place

 

Perhaps some childhood trauma?

[PLAGIARISM! 0]

Basically, I like stuff that isn't crap.

[Guest panthermatt7]

I know it's a little past it's hot prime, but I hated Blink 182 and other such new punk bands. A girl did a report on "punk" talking only about Blink, Good Charlotte, and whatever other band was the shit at the time, and stated to the effect that Green Day started punk. The teacher asked for comments at the end and I lit her up asking how she could get the start of punk wrong by 20 years and not mention, The Ramones, Sex Pistols, or Black Flag.

 

 

what was her response? I used to love asking questions of that sort in school.

Music snobs are annoying. Really, what was the point of that? Whenever I hear people call others out like that, it just seems like a case of them trying to be an ass. Who cares what she labeled the music she listened to? (Especially when it's not far off) Hell, if I want to say Tina Turner's music was Rock, so be it.

 

Not to mention that now, what's considered "Punk" is totally different from past times. Bands like Blink, Good Charlotte, Green Day, are what a lot, if not most people in this generation consider Punk. If a 10 yr old, wants to give a presentation to his class on "My Favorite Punk bands" (Or something a little less opiniated) there's no reason he has to detail the history of the Ramones and the Sex Pistols. And there's also no reason that if he says his favorite punk band is Blink, he has to do that whole "Post-Modern Pop Punk etc." crap description that music snobs as I call them so intently require.

 

And on the subject of the thread, I think that mentality puts quite a bit of distaste in people who don't listen to older bands, because the attitude of their fans, is even more annoying then the fans of "Shitty MTV music" as described in the thread.

 

Music snobs?? How do people that acknowledge music history qualify as snobs?

 

As a classical pianist, I do get annoyed when people base their favoritism of bands/acts on "I love dancing to their beats!" It's this crap that has managed to make hip-hop popular, despite being computer-produced engineering, rather than actual music. I actually like Fall Out Boy, due to their catchy rhythms and hooks, BUT I do acknowledge that they have little real 'talent.'

[tominator89 0]

I know it's a little past it's hot prime, but I hated Blink 182 and other such new punk bands. A girl did a report on "punk" talking only about Blink, Good Charlotte, and whatever other band was the shit at the time, and stated to the effect that Green Day started punk. The teacher asked for comments at the end and I lit her up asking how she could get the start of punk wrong by 20 years and not mention, The Ramones, Sex Pistols, or Black Flag.

 

 

what was her response? I used to love asking questions of that sort in school.

Music snobs are annoying. Really, what was the point of that? Whenever I hear people call others out like that, it just seems like a case of them trying to be an ass. Who cares what she labeled the music she listened to? (Especially when it's not far off) Hell, if I want to say Tina Turner's music was Rock, so be it.

 

Not to mention that now, what's considered "Punk" is totally different from past times. Bands like Blink, Good Charlotte, Green Day, are what a lot, if not most people in this generation consider Punk. If a 10 yr old, wants to give a presentation to his class on "My Favorite Punk bands" (Or something a little less opiniated) there's no reason he has to detail the history of the Ramones and the Sex Pistols. And there's also no reason that if he says his favorite punk band is Blink, he has to do that whole "Post-Modern Pop Punk etc." crap description that music snobs as I call them so intently require.

 

And on the subject of the thread, I think that mentality puts quite a bit of distaste in people who don't listen to older bands, because the attitude of their fans, is even more annoying then the fans of "Shitty MTV music" as described in the thread.

 

Music snobs?? How do people that acknowledge music history qualify as snobs?

 

As a classical pianist, I do get annoyed when people base their favoritism of bands/acts on "I love dancing to their beats!" It's this crap that has managed to make hip-hop popular, despite being computer-produced engineering, rather than actual music. I actually like Fall Out Boy, due to their catchy rhythms and hooks, BUT I do acknowledge that they have little real 'talent.'

 

Two questions:

1) Who are you to tell someone what they are allowed to listen to?

2) More importantly, why do you care what another person listens to?

[Maztinho 0]

I know it's a little past it's hot prime, but I hated Blink 182 and other such new punk bands. A girl did a report on "punk" talking only about Blink, Good Charlotte, and whatever other band was the shit at the time, and stated to the effect that Green Day started punk. The teacher asked for comments at the end and I lit her up asking how she could get the start of punk wrong by 20 years and not mention, The Ramones, Sex Pistols, or Black Flag.

 

 

what was her response? I used to love asking questions of that sort in school.

Music snobs are annoying. Really, what was the point of that? Whenever I hear people call others out like that, it just seems like a case of them trying to be an ass. Who cares what she labeled the music she listened to? (Especially when it's not far off) Hell, if I want to say Tina Turner's music was Rock, so be it.

 

Not to mention that now, what's considered "Punk" is totally different from past times. Bands like Blink, Good Charlotte, Green Day, are what a lot, if not most people in this generation consider Punk. If a 10 yr old, wants to give a presentation to his class on "My Favorite Punk bands" (Or something a little less opiniated) there's no reason he has to detail the history of the Ramones and the Sex Pistols. And there's also no reason that if he says his favorite punk band is Blink, he has to do that whole "Post-Modern Pop Punk etc." crap description that music snobs as I call them so intently require.

 

And on the subject of the thread, I think that mentality puts quite a bit of distaste in people who don't listen to older bands, because the attitude of their fans, is even more annoying then the fans of "Shitty MTV music" as described in the thread.

 

Her report was faulty. Her report was titled something to the effect of "History of Punk" and she only talked about current bands and was completely wrong on the start of punk. It's not like I was calling the bands she talked about as crap, but you can't say that Green Day started punk music. Which is what she did. Part of our grade was being able to show we had knowledge on the subject matter we talked about in class, which I was questioning since I don't consider myself to be a music snob, but if you are going to talk about "The History of Punk" at least mention some of the earlier bands. Not a full detail on them, but say the names.

 

The way she presented the information, someone who had no clue what punk was would have thought it started in the early 90's when Green Day formed. I wasn't debating weather her bands where punk, but that her facts on the start of punk was wrong.

[Guest •]

I actually like Fall Out Boy, due to their catchy rhythms and hooks

This makes it sound like a cause-and-effect relationship in which you had no personal input.

[Nighthawk 0]

Actually, how could a person think Green Day started punk? I mean, even the smallest amount of research (like, one Google search) would say otherwise. If you're writing a paper, that shows you really put no effort into it at all. You were right to correct her.

 

I knew a girl who thought punk was about Green Day and Offspring and shit. I burned her all the Stooges albums, and she liked them, then I got her into more actual punk music. She drew the line at GG Allin, though. Then again, he's not really punk. He transcends genre. The point is, a lot of times people who think that way aren't stupid, just ignorant.

[Copper Feel 0]

What is your reasoning for saying Throbbing Gristle are the only Industrial band Milky? How would you classify Skinny Puppy?

[Nighthawk 0]

Basically because Industrial music was a term that Throbbing Gristle invented, and applied to themselves, and thus they are the only band with the right to use it, because no one has sounded like them ever again. (One of their slogans was "industrial music for industrial people")

Skinny Puppy is industrial. That's the way it's come to be described, I accept and use the term, I just don't think it's entirely fair or accurate. If I had to call them something else... dark ambient dance, maybe. I think Industrial Dance would be a more appropriate label for a lot of industrial these days.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

I'm surprised the (Insert name here)Heads that seem to follow the likes of Jimmy Buffett (Parottheads), The Greatful Dead (Dead Heads) and Phish (Phish Heads) around from city to city, tour after tour, year after year, after year, after year. haven't come up yet.

 

Certaintly I can see a dislike for those fanbases equating a dislike for, or perhaps a notion that that the artist is vastly overrated. I don't but I can see how someone would.

 

I get a bit turned off by older generations fans of certain genres, country music for example, that get turned off by the generations that directly follow their favorites. Like fans of the original Outlaws of Country Music (Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Merle Haggard, Johnny Paycheck, ect) will hate on today's stars like a Garth Brooks, Toby Keith or a Tim McGraw and complain that there is nothing to their songs, and that they are nothing but souless entertainers who only care about album sales and concert attendance. The vitrol is so much I don't even bother argruing, or questioning if say Johnny Cash and Conway Twitty faced simmillar backlashes coming into country from a rockabilly background.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Like fans of the original Outlaws of Country Music (Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Merle Haggard, Johnny Paycheck, ect) will hate on today's stars like a Garth Brooks, Toby Keith or a Tim McGraw and complain that there is nothing to their songs, and that they are nothing but souless entertainers who only care about album sales and concert attendance.

 

Well, it's not like they're wrong or anything...

 

I just feel awkward at concerts with much older fans. Like when I went to see the Moody Blues a couple weeks ago, I had about 4 different people ask why me how I got into that music or why I liked it. I thought it was fairly commonplace for young people to listen to classic psychedelic rock, especially in such a hippie area like Portland. Sure, I was one of the younger people there so maybe that just says something about the kind of crowd it was, but it was nice.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Like fans of the original Outlaws of Country Music (Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Merle Haggard, Johnny Paycheck, ect) will hate on today's stars like a Garth Brooks, Toby Keith or a Tim McGraw and complain that there is nothing to their songs, and that they are nothing but souless entertainers who only care about album sales and concert attendance.

 

Well, it's not like they're wrong or anything...

 

Heh, fair point. Just sounds more like they don't give anyone much of a chance and dismiss anyone that emerges from the rest of the crap as being inferior to their favorites in every way possible.

 

Of course forgetting the fact that there were forgettable artists in their eras as well.

[King Kamala 0]

Like fans of the original Outlaws of Country Music (Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Merle Haggard, Johnny Paycheck, ect) will hate on today's stars like a Garth Brooks, Toby Keith or a Tim McGraw and complain that there is nothing to their songs, and that they are nothing but souless entertainers who only care about album sales and concert attendance.

 

Well, it's not like they're wrong or anything...

 

I just feel awkward at concerts with much older fans. Like when I went to see the Moody Blues a couple weeks ago, I had about 4 different people ask why me how I got into that music or why I liked it. I thought it was fairly commonplace for young people to listen to classic psychedelic rock, especially in such a hippie area like Portland. Sure, I was one of the younger people there so maybe that just says something about the kind of crowd it was, but it was nice.

 

 

What's weird is my experience at older bands concerts is that there are lot of younger people there. In the past few years, I've seen Bob Dylan, ZZ Top and Queen with Paul Rogers and most of those audiences are at least 30% comprised of people 30 and under. I was downright shocked when I saw Queen with Paul Rogers last year the amount of ten year olds there with their parents.

 

I guess it depends on the artist. All of the bands I've seen are fairly known with people my age group but The Moody Blues isn't.