Is your dislike for a artist due to them or their fans?

[Ravenbomb 0]

I had a chance to go to a Moody Blues concert back in the mid 90's but didn't go. I hadn't gotten into their music until I was in my later teens.

[PLAGIARISM! 0]

I suppose the biggest example of me hating/avoiding a band for their fans is The Arcade Fire. I think they've got 2 or 3 good songs but find it is generally agony discussing the band. However, Green Gartside of Scritti Politti named their recent shit factory of a second album in a (somewhat trite) article about consistently overrated albums, proclaiming that 'the war against unreconstructed rock continues' which made me want to fuck him even more.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

I get a bit turned off by older generations fans of certain genres, country music for example, that get turned off by the generations that directly follow their favorites. Like fans of the original Outlaws of Country Music (Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Merle Haggard, Johnny Paycheck, ect) will hate on today's stars like a Garth Brooks, Toby Keith or a Tim McGraw and complain that there is nothing to their songs, and that they are nothing but souless entertainers who only care about album sales and concert attendance. The vitrol is so much I don't even bother argruing, or questioning if say Johnny Cash and Conway Twitty faced simmillar backlashes coming into country from a rockabilly background.

 

I think the biggest problem there is that the artists that came "Post-Outlaw" have all been obvious attempts to reach a certain market and make money instead of further the form of country music. They all have the "Nashville" sound. It's hard to find modern country music without a token steel guitar and fiddle in the band, or a snoozer ballad and song about looking at the past.

 

But maybe I just proved your point...

[Guest Smues]

Dane Cook.

 

Half and half. Half being his shitty standup and half of which being the goddamned fucking fans always saying FUCK CHICKS I JUST WANT TO DANCE LOLOLOLOL. Shut up. It's not funny anymore. It was funny the first time, and that's it.

 

Amen. I have a friend whom I have to be very careful about what I say around him, because if I use any words used in a Dane Cook routine he'll start during his Dane Cook impression right away. God help me when I'm at the store with him and he sees Ruffles or Crystal Light.

[Nighthawk 0]

The only country musician that matters is Tex Hooper.

[Guest •]

Dane Cook.

 

Half and half. Half being his shitty standup and half of which being the goddamned fucking fans always saying FUCK CHICKS I JUST WANT TO DANCE LOLOLOLOL. Shut up. It's not funny anymore. It was funny the first time, and that's it.

 

Amen. I have a friend whom I have to be very careful about what I say around him, because if I use any words used in a Dane Cook routine he'll start during his Dane Cook impression right away. God help me when I'm at the store with him and he sees Ruffles or Crystal Light.

I like this particular exchange, because it involves a Hawaiian and an Alaskan. Trans-contiguous Dane Cook loathing.

[Giuseppe Zangara 0]

Do you suppose Carrot Top is grateful that Dane Cook has taken his spot as Comic Most Loathed by Other Comedians?

[Scarlett_Rayne 0]

Do you suppose Carrot Top is grateful that Dane Cook has taken his spot as Comic Most Loathed by Other Comedians?

 

 

I thought that was taken by Carlos Mencia?

[Red Baron 0]

No one knows who Carlos Mencia is.

[godthedog 0]

i think andy dick currently holds that place anyway.

 

sort of on that note, it was funny to watch andrew dice clay on 'dice undisputed' and notice that not a single one of his friends was a comedian & that no comedian really wanted anything to do with him.

[King Kamala 0]

i think andy dick currently holds that place anyway.

 

sort of on that note, it was funny to watch andrew dice clay on 'dice undisputed' and notice that not a single one of his friends was a comedian & that no comedian really wanted anything to do with him.

 

 

Dice Undisputed was one of the most pathetic and hilarious shows I've ever seen. Dice truly believes he can sell out Giant Stadium. Man, I hope there's a season two.

[PLAGIARISM! 0]

The fact he ever could sell as many tickets as he did is damning of the American public, really.

[Nighthawk 0]

Speaking of Dane Cook, I saw something really bizarre recently. Now, Dane Cook shamelessly steals material from Louis CK and others.

(Louis CK and David Cross are my favorite currently active comics. I know a lot of people didn't like his show [i did, personally], but don't judge CK on that, his stand up is a lot better than the show).

And some people were like, "Yeah, he stole those jokes, but he made them funnier, his delivery is better." Are you high? That's as odd as that "Lindsay Lohan is a talented actress." discussion in the movies folder.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

I get a bit turned off by older generations fans of certain genres, country music for example, that get turned off by the generations that directly follow their favorites. Like fans of the original Outlaws of Country Music (Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Merle Haggard, Johnny Paycheck, ect) will hate on today's stars like a Garth Brooks, Toby Keith or a Tim McGraw and complain that there is nothing to their songs, and that they are nothing but souless entertainers who only care about album sales and concert attendance. The vitrol is so much I don't even bother argruing, or questioning if say Johnny Cash and Conway Twitty faced simmillar backlashes coming into country from a rockabilly background.

 

I think the biggest problem there is that the artists that came "Post-Outlaw" have all been obvious attempts to reach a certain market and make money instead of further the form of country music. They all have the "Nashville" sound. It's hard to find modern country music without a token steel guitar and fiddle in the band, or a snoozer ballad and song about looking at the past.

 

But maybe I just proved your point...

 

Heh, I agree with your point, but the point I tried to make was more that the fans just hate on ANYONE that breaks out of the muck with such venom that you'd think the stars of today killed their parents or something. And that includes artists like an Alan Jackson or a Tim McGraw who attempt to honor the artists from the past.

 

BTW for the record, I sure as heck don't hate the older artists but I can see how having conversations with their fans might turn you off to them. Especially the fans of say a Johnny Cash as A) Cash did face tons of backlash with the Nashville community when he left the rockabilly sound to be a country star and B) Cash through the years, especially the last 15 or so years of his life always branched his music out in virtually any way possible and one of the main points that the anti-today's country side makes is that it has gotten "too pop."

 

Course the song is everything, and was with The Man In Black, and there really is a lot of cruddy stuff out there masqurading as "good music" which is bad when the genre was built really on the backs of song writers and the power of the lyric rather than a Phil Spector-esque sound.

 

Speaking of country, or maybe any other genre that this would apply to and maybe its also because there is so many imagry in country songs, but I wonder if the fact that so many fans, and artists themselves, reference some form of Christiantiy in what they do would cause for someone to be turned off to that music for whatever reason. A non-believer wheither an outright atheist/agnostic or another denomination, or someone that believes you shouldn't wear your religion that outwardly as it appears many artists and fans do.

 

I really wonder how far a song about atheism or an atheistic artist (I'm sure they'd be outed in some fashion) would go in country music

[Red Baron 0]

I'm agnostic and I do like some country.

 

I really hate the take to much pride approach like Alan Jackson and Toby Keith does. I'm not American, so my point will be a bit biased, but its annoying.

 

I do like some Toby Keith songs. I enjoy Kenny Chesney, Keith Urban, Brooks & Dunn and Garth Brooks. Brad Paisley to me is the best country artist out there.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

I think Country "transcends" religious affiliation, so an atheist or agnostic Country musician would do ok. As long as they didn't emphasize their beliefs. That being said, I do think that the overwhelming lean towards Christianity has to do more with marketing to women and "religious" people. It's been a well known trade tactic of the Christian Music Industry that if you mention Jesus a certain amount of times, the album is likely to sell better. It's also well known that women, on average, are more religious than men.

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

I wonder if Satanic country music exists. If not, I'm going to invent it.

[Nighthawk 0]

Apparently it does. Not that great, though.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

I wonder if Satanic country music exists. If not, I'm going to invent it.

 

Well The Devil did go down to Georgia

 

[Maztinho 0]

Apparently it does. Not that great, though.

 

They claim to be more Psychobilly than country. Their songs they have on MySpace don't have a typical country feel, more Southern Rock.

[King Kamala 0]

I've always wanted to start the first Satanic Surf Rock band.

[Nighthawk 0]

Foetus did do a Satanic surf song, at least. It's a really awesome song, too. It's called "Satan Place".

[Gary Floyd 0]

Foetus did do a Satanic surf song, at least. It's a really awesome song, too. It's called "Satan Place".

Though not surf, "I'll Meet You in Poland, Baby" is awesome. Probably my favorite Foetus song.

[Nighthawk 0]

"The Only Good Christian Is a Dead Christian" for me, with "Throne of Agony" a close second. Hole is my favorite album though.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

BTW one of the things that really had me wondering about the whole, well I guess I can call it Faith Based fanbase of country music was listening to a great Johnny Cash live album called Live At Madison Square Garden.

 

A concert he did, in New York on December 5th 1969. And while sure NYC has it share of religious backgrounds as that is part of the makeup of the giant melting pot, but it seems interesting that along with Cash's classics such as "I Still Miss Someone," "Big River," "Folsom Prison Blues," "Long Black Veil," "Wreck Of The 'Ol 97," "Boy Named Sue," and "The Ballad of Ira Hayes" that several songs were on the setlist with very strong Christian content and imagry;

 

"He Turned The Water Into Wine" a song Cash wrote after visiting the site where Jesus Christ performed his first miracle.

 

"Jesus Was A Carpenter" a song penned by a friend of Cash that lashes out on how secular the Catholic world had become, and this is in the late 60s!

 

"Daddy Sang Bass" its more of a gospel music feel, but it does reference a better life beyond this one which is a thread in a lot of early country music (Carter Family, Jimmie Rodgers, ect probably due to the roots going back to Ireland)

 

and very interestingly, "Were You There (When They Crucified My Lord)" which is a traditional Easter season song and Cash is performing it during the height of the Christmas season in New York City. Interesting choice considering the plethora of non-secular Christmas songs to choose from. The song was a single though from the late 50s-early 60s from an album Cash did with The Carter Family and the voice of Anita Carter shines through on this recording.

 

While if you were there in attendance, you'd had to expect Johnny Cash to do religious imagry in some of his material because of who he sang with and some of the songs he recorded, but I wonder if going in you knew nothing about Cash's music aside from his wild nature early in his career and just the songs of a complete secular nature (the songs mentioned above and many others during his career) and if you really weren't that big on religion or weren't of the Christian faith, what would your reaction be after sitting through the songs I just mentioned.

[Nighthawk 0]

My reaction would likely be "Oh, I guess he's into Jesus. Huh." but I'm a pretty laidback guy.

 

I don't mind listening to Christian music, I'll listen to anything if it sounds good (I've mentioned my interest in hatecore here before), but the best Christian songs are usually from people not typically associated with "Christian music" like Cash, or Prince ("The Cross" is a damn good song). Zao is another Christian group who happen to be really good.

[King Kamala 0]

Yeah, good music is good music. I'm an agnostic but I'll listen to Christian music if it's worth a damn. Problem is most Christian music is and the stuff that is, is recorded by "non Christian" artists (Prince and Cash).

 

 

4 The Tears In Your Eyes is another great Prince song about Jesus. The version that's just him on guitar with some back up singers, the version he did with The Revolution was tacky. Arguably, "I Would Die 4 U" is a great Prince song about Jesus.