King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 Jesus. I scanned the board earlier and saw the headline for the thread about Nancy in General Wrestling. I come up on the board today and see this... that was a chilling second or so And to see all this now, man what a tragedy. In so many ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RepoMan 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 Alot of you people have no hearts. I am deeply saddened by the events of the last few days but at the same time I am not gonna jump on the Chris Benoit is a fucking murder boat. I just don't believe it. Until i see something that shows without a doubt that he did it. I see this a triple homicide. R.I.P. Chris Benoit and Woman you will be missed. Look Benoit was by far my favriot current wrestler, but do yourself a favor and just accept reality. I'm not flaming you, but being denial is just going to make things harder to get over in the long run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative. I'm sorry, but who the F is the WWE trying to kid with this? Okay maybe Benoit cycled off in April and this weekend, but come on. Has there been a "postive" test (for steriods and performance enhancers) in the history of the WWF/WWE's "testing program" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StrapFinlay 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 Man it seems like people are in an uproar only about Benoit killing his son (in general, not anyone specific here). Not that they're wrong for doing so, but it seems like the death of his wife is being downplayed (they're both human beings); I get the impression that if it was only the wife that was killed, people wouldn't be riding Benoit nearly as hard. That's possibly true before the details emerged, because some may have thought it "accidental", self-defence, etc. But if it was known that she was twatted over the head and tied up first, I think the reaction would have been almost exactly the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJSexay 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 to those in disbelief: I understand, because I still can't really piece it in my mind either; however, the fact of the matter is that Chris Benoit killed his family, then hung himself. It sounds and is brutal, nasty and very unfathomable. But it's also true. Nobody has to get on the hate mobile or whathaveyou, but eventually everyone has to admit that the mystery is over. He did it. The questions ahead are why, and what is going to happen to this industry as a result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 Man it seems like people are in an uproar only about Benoit killing his son (in general, not anyone specific here). Not that they're wrong for doing so, but it seems like the death of his wife is being downplayed (they're both human beings); I get the impression that if it was only the wife that was killed, people wouldn't be riding Benoit nearly as hard. I would be. There is no god damn reason he should have killed anyone. If he didn't want to be here anymore, he should have just hung himself and been done with it. His wife didn't need to die and neither did his son. But people will always be more upset with the death of a child in this manner. It's human nature to react with more hate and anger about the death of a young one than the death of the adult. No one is saying it's ok he killed Nancy, just they cannot believe he would also kill the child he claimed meant everything in the world to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 Man it seems like people are in an uproar only about Benoit killing his son (in general, not anyone specific here). Not that they're wrong for doing so, but it seems like the death of his wife is being downplayed (they're both human beings, Daniel and Nancy); I get the impression that if it was only the wife that was killed, people wouldn't be riding Benoit nearly as hard. Yes they would be riding him as hard for making the child an orphan. I can see why though, I mean its still a 7 year old kid with a long, long life ahead of him. There is always a sense to make the murder of children that much more henious than an adult for whatever reasons. Probably strikes too much of a nerve, especially considering he was Benoit's own son. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 Has anyone ever thought maybe he just fucking snapped? That he lost his best friend, that he never dealt with the grief from that and then something in his brain just went wrong? There doesn't need to be drugs in his system. Crazy can happen and grief can cause lots of problems. Sleep deprivation, paranoia, confusion and extreme depression about the world you live in. Wait for the tox report to come back on that issue. All we know for sure as of right now is, something in his brain told him to kill his family and he did it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RepoMan 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 Their have been some suggesting she cheated on him, opps he snaps, and then goes completly off the dead end and kills his son and himself. I'm sort been sort of irked by this. It's has a sexist tone and nothing can justify murder. It was an total outrage what he did to his wife, but I can sympathasize with the extra outrage for killing a little kid. I just watched Da Meltz on fox news. I expected to be creeped out, but it just made me yearn that none of this was happening and Benoit would be wrestling tonight. I'm totally suprised I feel that way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perfxion 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 The reason for the MAJOR hate is because of the child. It is the striking point and the nerve that is getting this the MAJOR national attention that its getting. It is not to downplay Nancy in any way, shape, or form it is just that the child was only 7 and killed because the scumbag of a "dad" that "deeply" "loved" his children. She just as big of a victim but people will not forget her as well. Its just makes the case sadder that the child was involved. Edit: It doesn't matter if she was caught in a belladonna style porn with two dicks up her ass. Killing her is not OK because she cheated. It makes no bearing on the fact that he went apeshit and killed is family in a piece of shit manner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StrapFinlay 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 Looks like the "they died too young" issue is getting some column inches: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003560...7290355,00.html Sells 3,000,000 plus a day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJSexay 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 2Gold, that is exactly right. There is what we call the cafeteria model in psychology, which basically says that you can take a little bit from here and there, and you will end up with one result, caused by the accumulation of many different influences. I think the reason why I cannot jump on the hate boat is because I study human beings, and while I can NEVER excuse behavior such as this, I sure as hell can understand it. The man was battered and bruised in my heart and soul due to many reasons. All these different problems and issues, take your pick, led Chris Benoit to commit this tremendous tragedy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perfection 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative. I'm sorry, but who the F is the WWE trying to kid with this? Okay maybe Benoit cycled off in April and this weekend, but come on. Has there been a "postive" test (for steriods and performance enhancers) in the history of the WWF/WWE's "testing program" Im guessing lashley tested negative too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perfection 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 Has anyone ever thought maybe he just fucking snapped? That he lost his best friend, that he never dealt with the grief from that and then something in his brain just went wrong? There doesn't need to be drugs in his system. Crazy can happen and grief can cause lots of problems. Sleep deprivation, paranoia, confusion and extreme depression about the world you live in. Wait for the tox report to come back on that issue. All we know for sure as of right now is, something in his brain told him to kill his family and he did it. Its crossed my mind quite a few times. Someone on fox this afternoon after the press conference talked about such a mental breakdown and in some cases he compared it to completely blacking out and not realizing what you are doing. However, he tied nancy hands and feet togethor and waited up to a day to kill his son. That doesnt sound like someone suffering from roid rage...just a complete mental case. I suppose we will never know what he was thinking and why he did it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just call me Dan 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 I feel as if I must comment on the passing of someone I looked up to as a man and a performer that I cannot help but feel a connection to after following his career for years. This is one of the saddest things I have ever heard in my life, outside of wrestling included. I cannot comprehend what would have driven this man to commit such a horrible act. I thank God that his other children were not present, and that he did not seemingly torture or painfully drag out the horrible events that occured. Benoit will no doubt leave a legacy behind as one of the, if not THE, greatest in ring perfromer of all time. I do not believe, personally, that I will ever lay eyes on a more crisp, technically sound, and story telling wrestler in my lifetime. The man could have a wonderful outing with anyone up and down the roster, and it never failed that he would bring the best out in everyone. I will forever hate the way he was used , especially late in his career, but be thankful for those years he was booked strong, and the championship reign he most heartily deserved. Wrestlemania XX will forever be one of the greatest moments in my life. I want to give my condolences to the wrestlers in the WWE, especially Chavo, Vickie, and Malenko, who I know are even further traumatized by this tragic unfolding coupled with the personal pain they endured through the Guerrero death. Also all those guys who respected and knew him as a man must be severly broken as of now. I cannot imagine what it is like to lose a brother you go on such a rugged journey with so many days out of the year to an apparent breakdown of mental functions and sanity. I certainly hope that those of you who make jokes of this situation do so in order to help yourself cope with what is surely devastating news, but you take a HARD look at what is disrespectful and what is a diversion. Put yourself in the grieving family's shoes, and remember that, even considering these grave circumstances, Benoit was a hard working man who sacrificed his body, his mind, his spirit, and a normal life to entertain you. There was NO ONE who worked harder. I shed a tear for a man I will always respect and miss, and a man who, in the end, I know let us all down. He obviously had the weight of the world on his shoulders and he crumbled. Sadly, it caused thier families and the world a great deal of pain. I think we can all lay to rest tonight and learn from this, as I hope the WWE can as well. I will miss you, Chris Benoit, and I pray that all is at peace now. Daniel and Nancy in no way could have ever deserved this, may God rest thier souls. Goodbye, Crippler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annabelle 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 funny a guy who apparently lived for wrestling, loved wrestling, ect. will place a permanent black eye on it. this will not go away, and i predict, that wrestling will never be the same. this is going to be huge. i don't see wrestling recovering unless major changes are made. even something like an offseason like any other sport. believe it, kids. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golgo 13 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative. I'm sorry, but who the F is the WWE trying to kid with this? Okay maybe Benoit cycled off in April and this weekend, but come on. Has there been a "postive" test (for steriods and performance enhancers) in the history of the WWF/WWE's "testing program" Im guessing lashley tested negative too. It's not that people haven't been caught, particularly Chris Masters, I believe, and Joey Mercury, and I think Angle. But the vows to change for the better and sentences handed down are jokes and are contradictory to the PR line when someone like Masters comes back with a lot of muscle loss, is ridiculed for it and two months later is inflated again. Oh. You said performance enhancers. In any case Masters was still positive, which still doesn't downplay Mercury and Angle regardless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 My girlfriend asked me today that if Benoit loved wrestling so much, he could he have not know what he did would cause so much damage to the business? It's a great question that no one's really posed yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheTomster 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 Chris Benoit. An athelete. A wrestler. A technician. Down to earth, great guy. Last night I was at a baseball game just hanging with my friends when I got called and informed of the news, Chris Benoit and family had been found dead at there home in Atlanta, Georgia. Me and a friend rushed home to see what was going on, to see if it was another storyline, like the McMahon angle, or if this was real. First thing I did was turn the channel to the USA Network, where I saw WWE superstar Adam Copeland, better known as Edge, fighting back tears while talking about "The Canadian Crippler" Chris Benoit. After some elaborating on the story, I now have no idea what to think. Reports are saying that he strangled his wife in there office, and placed a bible beside her body on Saturday night after his son Daniel had went to bed. Then sometime on Sunday, he would suffocate his son Daniel and place a bible beside his body. How a man could do this I will never know. Killing his wife and then a 7 year so, even worse, his 7 YEAR OLD SON and then hang himself the next day. I do, and always will, refuse to believe this story no matter how many times it is proven to be true. Chris Benoit was said to be one the greatest wrestlers alive, he was one of the best wrestlers living or dead. Everytime he went out to the ring he put on 110% and never disappointed. Why he did what he did to wife, Nancy and son, Daniel, I will never know, nor do I think I want to know. I had the opportunity to see Chris perform live on March 27, 2004 in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, defending his World Heavyweight Championship against Triple-H in the main event of the show. I've attended plently wrestling events in the past, but I can honestly say this is one of the best matches I've ever saw live. After the show, Chris, who seemed was going to be like the other and not even acknoledge the fans, stopped his car while leaving the arena. He got his, World Heavyweight Championship on his shoulder and signed autographs and talked with some fans. He seemed like a really down to earth guy, and not like the type of guy who would ever do this thing to his wife, or a 7 year old kid. While I still refuse to believe the fact that he did what he did, I know that it is true, which makes it hard to believe that him and best friend Eddie Guerrero, can embrace with each other in Heaven, because if the reports are true, after doing what he did, Chris Benoit can not be in Heaven right now. While it is sad to state that, its the truth and nothing but the whole truth. Chris, you was my idol, and you will still be one of my favorite wrestlers that ever existed. We're going to miss you Chris, RIP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 D.A. RELEASES MORE GRUESOME DETAILS OF NANCY'S DEATH "Her hands were bound together, her feet were bound together, and there was a little blood over her face," District Attorney Scott Ballard told ABC News in an interview after the press conference. "The medical examiner found bruising on the small of her back and bruising on the front of her body consistent with being crushed up against the floor." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 even something like an offseason like any other sport. believe it, kids. I think what we'll see is something of a system where they the rotate guys that they use. Let some work on TV, others have time off, and back and forth. Switch them out as needed for various angles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted June 26, 2007 funny a guy who apparently lived for wrestling, loved wrestling, ect. will place a permanent black eye on it. this will not go away, and i predict, that wrestling will never be the same. this is going to be huge. i don't see wrestling recovering unless major changes are made. even something like an offseason like any other sport. believe it, kids. I can't see an off season happening. I can see them MAYBE experimenting with the Japanese touring model though. I don't know how long the media will stick with something that is seen as such a joke. It will depend on how much other news happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 CONTENT OF TEXT MESSAGE REVEALED PWTorch can now report the content of the text message sent by Chris Benoit to Chavo Guerrero on Sunday morning. The message, according to our sources, said that the sliding glass doors to his house were open and the dogs had been fed. No one was quite sure what to make of it, but he wasn't reachable afterward for clarification. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StrapFinlay 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 D.A. RELEASES MORE GRUESOME DETAILS OF NANCY'S DEATH "Her hands were bound together, her feet were bound together, and there was a little blood over her face," District Attorney Scott Ballard told ABC News in an interview after the press conference. "The medical examiner found bruising on the small of her back and bruising on the front of her body consistent with being crushed up against the floor." Not trying to joke, but aren't those injuries consistent with a crippler crossface? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 CONTENT OF TEXT MESSAGE REVEALED PWTorch can now report the content of the text message sent by Chris Benoit to Chavo Guerrero on Sunday morning. The message, according to our sources, said that the sliding glass doors to his house were open and the dogs had been fed. No one was quite sure what to make of it, but he wasn't reachable afterward for clarification. Dogs are fed and ready for a new home, come in through the back so you don't have to destroy the front to find the bodies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 D.A. RELEASES MORE GRUESOME DETAILS OF NANCY'S DEATH "Her hands were bound together, her feet were bound together, and there was a little blood over her face," District Attorney Scott Ballard told ABC News in an interview after the press conference. "The medical examiner found bruising on the small of her back and bruising on the front of her body consistent with being crushed up against the floor." Not trying to joke, but aren't those injuries consistent with a crippler crossface? That's exactly what I was thinking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaMarka 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 D.A. RELEASES MORE GRUESOME DETAILS OF NANCY'S DEATH "Her hands were bound together, her feet were bound together, and there was a little blood over her face," District Attorney Scott Ballard told ABC News in an interview after the press conference. "The medical examiner found bruising on the small of her back and bruising on the front of her body consistent with being crushed up against the floor." Not trying to joke, but aren't those injuries consistent with a crippler crossface? That's exactly what I was thinking. I don't think the small of her back would get crushed up against the floor during the crossface. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 CONTENT OF TEXT MESSAGE REVEALED PWTorch can now report the content of the text message sent by Chris Benoit to Chavo Guerrero on Sunday morning. The message, according to our sources, said that the sliding glass doors to his house were open and the dogs had been fed. No one was quite sure what to make of it, but he wasn't reachable afterward for clarification. Dogs are fed and ready for a new home, come in through the back so you don't have to destroy the front to find the bodies. Chavo got the message on sunday morning, correct? Yet no one thought to check on him until the next day? Someone sends a txt like that, it should ring more alarms then "gee, I guess he no-showed tonight". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Chaos 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 Not saying it's excusable but from the evidence it looks like Benoit had obviously gone mad. If he hadn't killed himself, I could see his lawyer pleading insanity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2007 CONTENT OF TEXT MESSAGE REVEALED PWTorch can now report the content of the text message sent by Chris Benoit to Chavo Guerrero on Sunday morning. The message, according to our sources, said that the sliding glass doors to his house were open and the dogs had been fed. No one was quite sure what to make of it, but he wasn't reachable afterward for clarification. Dogs are fed and ready for a new home, come in through the back so you don't have to destroy the front to find the bodies. Chavo got the message on sunday morning, correct? Yet no one thought to check on him until the next day? There was a delay between Benoit sending the message and Chavo receiving it. It was mentioned at the press conference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites