USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 Hey now, if it was Raiders vs Chargers, you'll see the man-eaters. But Padres? Yeah no one cares. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 Maybe, but I think even if it happened in L.A. the cheers would have drowned out the boos. If the BALCO story had broken just this past year he would have been booed anywhere for breaking the record but enough time has passed that people just don't care anymore that he used steroids. Really the average person who is going to these games just wants to say they were there for history and inevitably they get caught up in the moment. A person who truly didn't want to see Bonds break the record likely wouldn't show up to the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest • Report post Posted August 5, 2007 That may be true, but it doesn't make it right. Bonds's record-tying and breaking home runs should go down in history as being totally unaccepted by the baseball public. Of course, the Booyahs still maintain that he's "innocent until proven guilty," as if the testimony never happened: I was told that during a recent Giants-Dodgers game, Chris Berman tried to spin a "Barry sucks" chant into being directed toward Barry Zito. You've gotta be kidding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 Speaking of Berman, when Bonds hits #756 let's all hope and pray he isn't calling the game that night for ESPN. The nation does not need the "back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back" call forever associated with American sports most famous record. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
World's Worst Man 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 I'm pretty sure Bonds' record will be remembered as being tarnished by his steroid/GH/whatever the fuck else usage. Whether it's officially recognized as being bullshit or not, public opinion will recognize it as bullshit. Also, on the best "sluggers" - Career slugging percentage. 1. Babe Ruth+* .6898 2. Ted Williams+* .6338 3. Lou Gehrig+* .6324 4. Albert Pujols .6219 5. Jimmie Foxx+ .6093 Barry Bonds is 6th, but I personally would not rate him on anything other than his pre-bloated, steroid using numbers. On a slightly related note, dipshit know-nothings like Joe Buck and Tim McCarver should really do some research before saying bullshit like "Barry Bonds might be the best player ever", when even if you take into account his steroid elevated numbers, Babe Ruth fucking destroys him in pretty much everything of importance. God I hate Buck and McCarver. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
v.2 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 Bonds, Palmeiro and McGuire, heh. If ARod was on the same stuff as those guys, he'd finish with about 900 home runs. I'd really be surprised if Rodriguez doesn't break the record a good year or two before he turns 40. Assuming he isn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted August 5, 2007 Maybe, but I think even if it happened in L.A. the cheers would have drowned out the boos. No way. There were "Bonds is gay" chants. There weren't going to be many cheers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hasbeen2 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070805/ap_on_...su/bbn_bonds755 What is aggravating to me is there wasn't one mention in this article of who won the game. Sure, it's secondary, but to me that's what makes baseball a lesser sport-they have to hype the individual numbers to build interest. Could the average fan say who leads the NFL in career touchdown passes? Would the average fan care? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070805/ap_on_...su/bbn_bonds755 What is aggravating to me is there wasn't one mention in this article of who won the game. The game's not even over! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 That may be true, but it doesn't make it right. Bonds's record-tying and breaking home runs should go down in history as being totally unaccepted by the baseball public. Of course, the Booyahs still maintain that he's "innocent until proven guilty," as if the testimony never happened: I was told that during a recent Giants-Dodgers game, Chris Berman tried to spin a "Barry sucks" chant into being directed toward Barry Zito. You've gotta be kidding. I understand what you are saying but by having Barry playing ball means that the MLB is condoning his actions. If the MLB would have done more investigating a lot sooner, maybe they could have stopped him. Are Major Leaguer's as clean as pro wrestlers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hasbeen2 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 That shows how much I am paying attention to it. But there have other articles like that when he hit a home run this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted August 5, 2007 When it comes to articles like that, there's no quality control and little fact checking. All that matters is being the first to push it out. Everything else is secondary, or so it would seem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hasbeen2 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 Yeah I agree. I just meant in general I see too much of baseball articles, stories on ESPN, putting the individual records and numbers over the team results. Sure I understand it's in their best interests to try and build stars but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070805/ap_on_...su/bbn_bonds755 What is aggravating to me is there wasn't one mention in this article of who won the game. Sure, it's secondary, but to me that's what makes baseball a lesser sport-they have to hype the individual numbers to build interest. Could the average fan say who leads the NFL in career touchdown passes? Would the average fan care? That's because the current records are three or four times older than football records. There's no way to put players like Ruth, Mays and Cy Young into perspective without records, yet in football we've seen every player and every record in the last three decades. In about fifty years, people are going to care who holds the individual football records. That generation won't be able to appreciate players like Young, Rice, Marino, Peyton and Tomlinson without them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest • Report post Posted August 5, 2007 What is aggravating to me is there wasn't one mention in this article of who won the game. Sure, it's secondary, but to me that's what makes baseball a lesser sport-they have to hype the individual numbers to build interest. Could the average fan say who leads the NFL in career touchdown passes? Would the average fan care? Baseball isn't a lesser sport for that reason. Baseball has been treasuring its individual achievements for years and years, because a baseball game, at the heart of it all, is really a sequence of individual achievements, quantified with much more facility than the events of a football game. That's not a knock on baseball; it's just structured unlike other team sports. The numbers mattered to America before the NFL was even on a major stage. Don't pin that on ESPN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest frostdude1 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 was watching the game live and went absolutely bonkers =o) Easily the greatest player of his generation ... the Mickey Mantle of this era Its times like this where we Yankee fans have to thank big George for giving us such a wonderful player and an amazing team Plus hearing him talk in the postgame was soo emotional ... there is no way he will leave in the offseason ... he will sign an extension and stay a yankee forever and win some titles !!! I cant wait to watch my yankees when they come to detroit later this month ... me and my buddies got our tickets and gonna be there early trying to get autographs from the yankee players heres a link to download the homerun if you missed it today http://www.savefile.com/projects/808521321 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smartly Pretty 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 That's, uh...wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 They have a ranking of sluggers on SportsNation and I seriously sometimes think that the "citizens" of SportsNation are fucking retarded. They have: 1. Ruth 2. Aaron 3. Mays 4. Bonds Having Aaron above Mays is just insane, in my eyes, and I'd put Hank 4th behind Barry, personally. What makes it insane? Aaron had a career slugging percentage of .555, Mays' was .557. Aaron had 95 more career home runs and would have the lead even if Mays didn't miss a year and a half due to the Korean War. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 That may be true, but it doesn't make it right. Bonds's record-tying and breaking home runs should go down in history as being totally unaccepted by the baseball public. Of course, the Booyahs still maintain that he's "innocent until proven guilty," as if the testimony never happened: I was told that during a recent Giants-Dodgers game, Chris Berman tried to spin a "Barry sucks" chant into being directed toward Barry Zito. You've gotta be kidding. Czech's a good guy to respond to in these discussions. The presence of performance enhancing drugs is unfortunate. The problem is that Bonds is hardly alone in their use. He is singled out because of his accomplishments, but their are many other players in the game who took advantage of PEDs, everyone's favorite players possibly among them. MLB needs to do what they can to eliminate PEDs, but I've never been quite comfortable vilifying the players that used them in the past. Fans need to remember that the home run record is just a number. It says nothing more than that Barry Bonds hit 755 home runs in Major League Baseball games. It does not make Bonds the greatest home run hitter of all time, more than Hank Aaron had the honor before. And World's Worst Poster, it is hardly a stretch to ask whether Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 was watching the game live and went absolutely bonkers =o) Easily the greatest player of his generation ... the Mickey Mantle of this era Its times like this where we Yankee fans have to thank big George for giving us such a wonderful player and an amazing team Plus hearing him talk in the postgame was soo emotional ... there is no way he will leave in the offseason ... he will sign an extension and stay a yankee forever and win some titles !!! I cant wait to watch my yankees when they come to detroit later this month ... me and my buddies got our tickets and gonna be there early trying to get autographs from the yankee players heres a link to download the homerun if you missed it today Yeesh, are you for real? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 For my sake I hope he's a gimmick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 I think Mantle won 7 World Series as well (1951, 52, 53, 56, 58, 61, 62), so wake me up when A-Rod does all that. The most interesting aspect of A-Rod being the youngest to hit 500 home runs is that it's getting Jimmie Foxx some modern notoriety. Wasn't Tom Hanks playing a thinly veiled Jimmie Foxx in A League of Their Own? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 For my sake I hope he's a gimmick. Unfortunately, from a look at his previous posts, it appears not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 I think Mantle won 7 World Series as well (1951, 52, 53, 56, 58, 61, 62), so wake me up when A-Rod does all that. The most interesting aspect of A-Rod being the youngest to hit 500 home runs is that it's getting Jimmie Foxx some modern notoriety. Wasn't Tom Hanks playing a thinly veiled Jimmie Foxx in A League of Their Own? Jimmie Foxx was a prestigious home run hitter who once managed in the AAGPBL. Most events beyond that are creative license. My favorite Foxx tidbit is that he hung on until 1945, playing for the Phillies with the rosters decimated by World War II. He played 40 games at first, 14 games at third base, and pitched in nine games, starting two. He compiled a 1.59 ERA in that span. Foxx's 13 straight seasons of 100+ RBIs is an MLB record he shares along with Lou Gehrig. Foxx also holds the record for consecutive seasons of 30+ home runs, with 12. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest frostdude1 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 I love my yanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 was watching the game live and went absolutely bonkers =o) Easily the greatest player of his generation ... the Mickey Mantle of this era Its times like this where we Yankee fans have to thank big George for giving us such a wonderful player and an amazing team Plus hearing him talk in the postgame was soo emotional ... there is no way he will leave in the offseason ... he will sign an extension and stay a yankee forever and win some titles !!! I cant wait to watch my yankees when they come to detroit later this month ... me and my buddies got our tickets and gonna be there early trying to get autographs from the yankee players heres a link to download the homerun if you missed it today Yeesh, are you for real? Good thing we have frostdude here to put this momentous occasion into perspective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MFer 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 Well I don't really look at Aaron as a slugger, more as a great home-run hitter. To me, a slugger is some big burly guy who swings (and often misses) for the fences, launches 500-ft bombs, and puts up ridiculous single-season numbers. Someone like a Ruth, McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, or Pujols. Heck, even a guy like Adam Dunn today would classify as a slugger by my definition. Aaron never had as many as 48 HR's in any given season. I think I read somewhere that him and Mays hit HR's at virtually the same rate. I look at him as being more consistent than anything as well as lasting a long time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 Well I don't really look at Aaron as a slugger, more as a great home-run hitter. To me, a slugger is some big burly guy who swings (and often misses) for the fences, launches 500-ft bombs, and puts up ridiculous single-season numbers. Someone like a Ruth, McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, or Pujols. Heck, even a guy like Adam Dunn today would classify as a slugger by my definition. Aaron never had as many as 48 HR's in any given season. I think I read somewhere that him and Mays hit HR's at virtually the same rate. I look at him as being more consistent than anything as well as lasting a long time. Isolated power is probably the best pure power statistic. It's simply slugging percentage minus batting average, removing guys who have high slugging percentages due to high batting averages. CAREER ISOLATED POWER ISO 1 Babe Ruth .348 2 Mark McGwire .325 3 Barry Bonds .310 4 Albert Pujols .296 5 Lou Gehrig .292 6 Hank Greenberg .292 7 Ted Williams .289 8 Manny Ramirez .286 9 Jimmie Foxx .284 10 Jim Thome .283 11 Carlos Delgado .275 12 Ralph Kiner .269 13 Albert Belle .269 14 Alex Rodriguez .267 15 David Ortiz .267 16 Ken Griffey Jr. .266 17 Juan Gonzalez .265 18 Lance Berkman .263 19 Sammy Sosa .263 20 Frank Thomas .262 I'm surprised Mickey Mantle didn't make the top twenty either. Mantle, Mays and co. fare better if I cut off the list at 32 years old, avoiding their decline stages. It's forgotten what a great player Aaron was, apart from home runs. He was a .305 lifetime hitter, stole 240 career bases, walked more times than he struck out, and still holds the career record for RBIs. Earlier Rich Dubee came out to talk to Adam Eaton on the mound after Eaton surrendered four runs in the first inning. What can Dubee possibly say at this point other than ask, "why do you suck so much?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2007 "Which Philadelphia player holds the Milwaukee record for most home runs hit in a season by a third baseman?" Umm, what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
