MMA Comments that Don't Warrant a Thread

[Guest Brian]

Well, I have to get a new avatar. DVDVR had a good selection up.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Is that a confirmed date for Chuck/Randy III?

 

Cause I be's stoked on that shit. Put Hughes/GSP and Franklin/Loiseau on that show and you've got an early PPV of the Year candidate, though I don't see them blowing their wad with 3 title fights on the same card, unless they're marketing it as a Super Saturday.

[Guest Big_Jay101]

I heard it was being marketed as a Super Saturday.

[Guest Brian]

It is being marketed as Super Saturday. Unless they have a grudge match or big draw coming in for the show after, I can't see them giving away three title matches on a show, even though I'd love to see it.

[Lei Tong 0]

My favourite line has to be "He fights like a street fighter". Still, I don't know, I kind of think Diego says a lot of stupid things, but I have to agree when he says that Diaz can't stop the takedown. Diego has a much better chance in this than most are giving him credit for. He's adequate enough on the ground to defend what Nick Diaz might throw at him, so I can easily see him wearing him down for a JD. Of course, I don't think his cardio is on par with Diaz, so perhaps he might get caught with that looping hook or submitted because of that. We will see.

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Diego's only saving grace in this fight will be that he's a tough guy to put away, with a decent chin and good submission defense. The problem is, pretty much everything he does Nick can do better, and Diaz has been in there with guys who:

 

- are superior wrestlers to Diego

- are better strikers than Diego

- have better submission skills than Diego

 

I see Diaz more or less having his way with Diego aside from a moment or where he tries to work from the top. Diaz via JD.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Even though I know UFC likes to keep the Middleweight and Welterweight titles on seperate PPV's the stories of GSP and Loiseau are tailor-made for both titles to be defended on the same PPV.

[Guest Brian]

Well, like I said, if they can find a grudge match and a capable challenger for Arlovski's title, they have a shot. I'd like to see them go with Swick/Leben in the undercard.

[Guest Brian]

Well, now that I think about it, they could blow their load on Bonnar/Griffin II. Assuming Bonnar wins in January and Griffin takes his next fight.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

A PPV based around revenge would do fairly well, IMO.

 

GSP/Hughes

Leben/Swick (or Leben/Koscheck)

Bonnar/Griffin II

 

There's 3 solid fights right there. If Tanner hadn't gotten smoked out by Loiseau I'd put him vs Franklin up there too.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

My favourite line has to be "He fights like a street fighter". Still, I don't know, I kind of think Diego says a lot of stupid things, but I have to agree when he says that Diaz can't stop the takedown. Diego has a much better chance in this than most are giving him credit for. He's adequate enough on the ground to defend what Nick Diaz might throw at him, so I can easily see him wearing him down for a JD. Of course, I don't think his cardio is on par with Diaz, so perhaps he might get caught with that looping hook or submitted because of that. We will see.

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Diego's only saving grace in this fight will be that he's a tough guy to put away, with a decent chin and good submission defense. The problem is, pretty much everything he does Nick can do better, and Diaz has been in there with guys who:

 

- are superior wrestlers to Diego

- are better strikers than Diego

- have better submission skills than Diego

 

I see Diaz more or less having his way with Diego aside from a moment or where he tries to work from the top. Diaz via JD.

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But has Diaz ever beaten a fighter as good as Sanchez overall? Facing guys that are tougher in one aspect doesn't necessarily mean as much when they aren't as good at others, not to mention the intangibles.

 

The first question is not rhetorical by the way, I'd like to hear what you think.

[Lei Tong 0]

Guys better than Sanchez? I don't hesitate to say that Karo, Fickett, Lytle, Jackson & Lawler are better fighters than Diego, while guys like Hurley & Lynn are around his level.

 

As far as similar match-ups:

 

-Fickett is a good wrestler with proven submission skills (though not quite on Diego's level), and better striking as well. Diaz dominated the fight both standing and on the ground, and G&P'ed Fickett to a stoppage in Round 1.

 

- Karo has arguably better submission skills (who has been in with some extremely hard guys to submit), much better takedowns (of a different variety) and though not incredible standing, has a bit of pop in his right hand. Him & Diaz went back & forth throughout their bout, though the action slowed cosnderably after neither could quite keep up the torrid pace they set for themselves. Karo won a very close Split JD.

 

The closest thing to Nick Diaz that Diego has fought was Jorge Santiago, a BJJ black belt from ATT. Like Diaz, he's a lanky submission fighter, though his stand-up is nowhere near as good as Diaz, and I've liked Nick's submission work a bit better as well. He's a tough guy who Diego was able to dominate him throughout, though his submission defense seemed to give Diego some problems throughout the match (close armbar not withstanding). Diego won a Unanimous Decision.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I haven't seen enough of either guy to give an informed decision/prediction, but my gut is telling me Diego will be able to take Diaz down and put him up against the fence. The issue on the ground is whether Diego will be looking to finish, and be more concerned with punishment than positioning, which will put himself at a disadvantage with Diaz on the ground. Training and strategy for this fight is more important for Diego than it is for Diaz. I don't know how Diego is training for this fight, so it's hard to tell. Ultimately, Saturday it will show whether or not his game plan was right. From what I've see, it looks like Diego will be more in bullrush mode, constantly going for the takedown, and being reckless in his GnP. I think Diaz is too smart and experienced to get initially put away by this. I think that Diaz will be able to get to his feet and tag Sanchez with some good shots, maybe one or two that will get him in trouble. The first and maybe second round will probably go like this.

 

From here, it's a matter of heart, will, determination, and conditioning. Sanchez sounds pretty confident in his conditioning, but training conditioning and big fight conditioning are two different things, especially against a top fighter like Diaz. We know Diaz has gotten gassed in the past against Karo, but I don't see Diego being as active as Parisyan, so maybe Diaz's conditioning won't come into play. Saturday night might be a rude awakening for one or both fighters in terms of getting pushed to the limit.

 

I see Diego getting more takedowns than Diaz gets submissions or shots, so it's just a matter of making the takedowns count for Diego, or making the subs and shots count for Diaz. And this depends on the submission and chin of Sanchez, and takedown defense and subs of Diaz.

 

This fight sorta reminds me of Tanner/Terrell, which may be a good or bad for both guys. I don't think Diegos GnP is good as Evans, but then again I don't think Diaz is as good as Terrell.

[Lei Tong 0]

Diaz is better than Terrell because:

 

1) He has actually faced and fought through from adversity within a fight.

 

2) Though Terrell was able to steamroll most of his opponents standing, Diaz' more calculated approach to striking has served him very well.

 

3) (Tied to number 1) Diaz is much better defensively, both standing and on the mat.

 

I'd say the only things Terrell really has on Diaz are his strength & explosivness, though the latter didn't exactly help him vs. Tanner.

[KingPK 0]

I guess this is the thread to put it in, so I just wanted to say how much Unleashed rocked tonight. There were two Nick Diaz fights, the second one being the better of the two (the one not against the Japanese guy) and Diego Sanchez' PPV debut, which was a nice ground fight.

 

On top of a good (for how the heavyweight fights have gone so far) fight on TUF2, an all around good night of UFC action.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

What the other Diaz fight shown?

[KingPK 0]

Shit, I can't remember the guy's name, but Rogan and Goldberg were shocked that he went toe-to-toe with the guy instead of taking it to the ground.

 

I liked Diego's commentary on his match.

 

"Oh, that was a nice punch."

 

EDIT: Ah, it was against Robbie Lawler. Thank you SpikeTV.com

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

Yeah Diaz knocked Robbie Lawler the fuck out. That first fight was wierd with the little Japanese guy trying to block and counterpunch Diaz. Had his guard down around his chest and his face totally exposed.

 

I'm watching this on DVR and eagerly awaiting Sanchez's match. I don't think it's going to last long.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Guys better than Sanchez? I don't hesitate to say that Karo, Fickett, Lytle, Jackson & Lawler are better fighters than Diego, while guys like Hurley & Lynn are around his level.

 

As far as similar match-ups:

 

-Fickett is a good wrestler with proven submission skills (though not quite on Diego's level), and better striking as well. Diaz dominated the fight both standing and on the ground, and G&P'ed Fickett to a stoppage in Round 1.

 

- Karo has arguably better submission skills (who has been in with some extremely hard guys to submit), much better takedowns (of a different variety) and though not incredible standing, has a bit of pop in his right hand. Him & Diaz went back & forth throughout their bout, though the action slowed cosnderably after neither could quite keep up the torrid pace they set for themselves. Karo won a very close Split JD.

 

The closest thing to Nick Diaz that Diego has fought was Jorge Santiago, a BJJ black belt from ATT. Like Diaz, he's a lanky submission fighter, though his stand-up is nowhere near as good as Diaz, and I've liked Nick's submission work a bit better as well. He's a tough guy who Diego was able to dominate him throughout, though his submission defense seemed to give Diego some problems throughout the match (close armbar not withstanding). Diego won a Unanimous Decision.

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Fickett is better than all of those guys, and you said it yourself that Diego is better than Koscheck. Look at what happened when Koscheck faced off against Fickett. Yeah, Fickett won, but Koscheck dominated that fight and looked like a better fighter overall. The fact that he lost had to do with a mental mistake, rather than anything regarding skills. I would actually say Karo is better, but Diaz lost that fight.

 

Karo has arguably better submission skills, but I don't think it is to the point that he outclasses Diego. Also, while his Judo takedowns are probably better, the point is that both of them are better than Diaz at takedowns, who has apathetic defense since he himself says he prefers to work in his guard. Diaz is also a much better striker than both anyway, so that's not too different either.

 

Like I said, Diaz should win, but if Diego works on his conditioning (from what I can tell he already seems very tough) he should be able to either GnP or LnP to a decision. Keep in mind that UFC Judges would probably award the decision to Diego, as no matter how active Diaz is off his back, he is still on his back. Refer to Charuto/Hughes.

[Lei Tong 0]

Diego is slightly better than Koscheck, but that doesn't mean Diego would do as well as him, because styles make fights. Koscheck's wrestling is exponentially better than Diego's, both in regards to takedowns and ground control. It's very unlikely Diego would control Fickett on the ground like Koscheck did, while not too much a stretch to imagine him getting caught standing the same as Koscheck was.

 

While you bring up a good point about Hughes/Verrisimo (and I wouldn't put it past the UFC to protect their investment), I think Diaz is going to be tagging Diego enough on the feet and working from his guard too well for even the judges to not take notice. Like I said before, I think Diego's tenacity will keep him going, but Diaz is going to give him hell.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

That's true about styles making fights, but Diego is skilled enough and savvy enough off of his back to defend himself against tough GnP, so I don't think he would be too fazed by Fickett reiging blows on him. I would pick Fickett to win, since I think Kos is better than Diego, but I think Diego would do well against Fickett too.

 

I know he's a weird dude, but Diego, from what I've seen, only seems to bounce back when faced with adversity, he doesn't fold. Compare his performance against Koscheck to Leben's. He was very active off of his back and caught him a couple of times, not to mention showed the same tenacity throughout three tough rounds even when being slammed to the mat.

 

This leads me to believe that there is a good chance that he could weather the storm Diaz' punches might give him and take the fight to the ground. I'm not sure how good his chin is, but when Koscheck landed that sucker shot he didn't seem fazed at all but just questioned the ref.

 

Hell, the fact that Diego tooled Koscheck on the ground yet one judge gave the fight 30-27 to Koscheck leaves me with little faith in UFC judging.

 

If you go on IF, there's an article about how this fight should really play to the Latino fanbase. Do you feel a special connection to this bout LT?

[Lei Tong 0]

Well, even if I didn't want to see Diego get curb stomped based on his personality alone, my pocho-ness would probably lead me to root for Diaz anyways.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Go Luke!

 

- Had to get that in before the show starts.

[razazteca 0]

So if Luke wins what kind of nickname will be given to him for future appearences?

 

I don't know if I like the monikers of Silient Assassin or Hillbilly Heart Throb for TUF guys.

Edited November 6, 2005 by razazteca

[Lei Tong 0]

Anounced last night:

 

Tatsuya Kawajiri vs. Joachim "Hellboy" Hansen on Febuary 17th, for Kawajiri's SHOOTO Welterweight Title.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

As much as I like Hansen and think he's awesome, I think Kawajiri is too strong and will be able to out muscle him and avoid subs for the decision.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Rrrrsh from the WWE Folder just became the first public enemy of this folder due to his current avatar. Ostracize his ass whenever possible.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I would care but I don't know who he is , and also because Real sports>fake ones.

 

Am I the only surprised by the amount of traffic in this folder? Holy crap.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

There's more stuff going on in MMA, with the weekly shows and we almost get an event monthly now, whereas before we'd have something like 2 months on, 2 months off so we couldn't really sustain discussion. I've got a few choce discussion topics if the chatter ever starts to go down

[Lord of The Curry 0]

On the UFC site's current poll 70% of those who voted don't think that Quarry deserves a title shot.

 

Ouch for Nate. Ah well, at least the crowd will be hyped on seeing Franklin lay him out.

[AboveAverage484 0]

Here's round 2 of Jerome Le Banner and Mark Hunt from a 2002 K-1 card in Paris. Note: Knees aren't allowed in Paris for some stupid reason, so that's why you don't see any. Doesn't make for any less of a great fight though.

 

http://rapidshare.de/files/6475383/Film_Ul..._Hunt_.wmv.html