The College Football Thread 11/25 - 11/29

[Paul Stanley 0]

Cox, what a return.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I'm seeing where Damaramu is coming from with the ESPN shill of Texas. My god, this is the #12 ranked Oklahoma State Cowboys we're talking about. This isn't Baylor (who Texas Tech struggled with) or Texas A&M (who just flat out suck). Oklahoma should not get style points deduced just because they aren't winning by 80.

[naiwf 0]

Stay classy Stoops. Stay classy. That last, completely unnecessary TD is precisely why I can't stand the Sooners and Stoops.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Because they're the only team to run it up, right?

[naiwf 0]

Do you really need to win by 20 instead of 13 to prove a point there? No, but Stoops does it all the time. The same way Urban Meyer does, which is why I can't stand Florida. It's the same reason I hated Spurrier when he was coaching the Gators. It's just not needed, and why I hope Oklahoma gets their ass whipped by the SEC representative even if it's Florida just because my Stoops hate is greater.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Probably not, but considering all game long Herbstreit and the other guy kept harping about how Oklahoma was losing "style points" for playing the game close against the 12th ranked team in the country, well, I don't blame Stoops for doing whatever he can to help his team.

[AlwaysPissedOff 0]

Today was a very good day. 'Course, completely breaking Auburn's spirit is *always* a good day.

 

Can't wait for next week. Should be one hell of a game.

[Maztinho 0]

I don't see how running a play straight up the gut and OSU failing to tackle is "running up the score." It's not like he was throwing out some trick play, OSU just got worn down and the RB made a big play for the touchdown.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

It's not just today, Mang. He does do it all the time. But it was entirely understandable in this case, if that's what it was.

[Maztinho 0]

It's not just today, Mang. He does do it all the time. But it was entirely understandable in this case, if that's what it was.

 

Oh I know he runs up the score all the time, but today wasn't the time to start blowing that horn.

 

It was a hand-off to the running back out of a shotgun formation who went right up the middle and he made a move on the middle linebacker and the secondary was just out of position and he ran untouched into the endzone.

[naiwf 0]

It's not just today, Mang. He does do it all the time. But it was entirely understandable in this case, if that's what it was.

 

Oh I know he runs up the score all the time, but today wasn't the time to start blowing that horn.

 

It was a hand-off to the running back out of a shotgun formation who went right up the middle and he made a move on the middle linebacker and the secondary was just out of position and he ran untouched into the endzone.

 

When you're up by 13 with under 30 seconds to go, you could always just take a knee and end the game. The only thing worse than running a play in that situation would be taking a knee, then waiting until 1 second is left, calling a timeout and kicking a FG as time expired.

[Damaramu 0]

OSU still had timeouts, kneeling on the ball would've given it back to them then they would've lost those oh so important "style points". You can't blame OU for running a basic play and OSU not stopping it.

 

ESPN was trying hard throughout the game to pimp Texas. Especially when they had Mack f'n Brown on in the middle of the damn game.

 

BUT, by the end ESPN had admitted defeat. Herby and Musburger admitted that it'd be OU in the Big XII title game. Then both the anchors on sportscenter admitted it would be OU.

Hell Musburger even said something to the effect of "Well Missouri better be ready to play some defense when they face the Sooners.........or maybe Texas."

 

So umm......what does everyone think the percentage is that OU goes to the Big XII title game?

 

 

I will say this, if OU can't stop OSU's special teams or Zac Robinson running the ball then they don't have a hope in hell of beating Florida and Tebow.

[naiwf 0]

OSU still had timeouts, kneeling on the ball would've given it back to them then they would've lost those oh so important "style points". You can't blame OU for running a basic play and OSU not stopping it.

 

Give me a break. There's not a 14 point play in the playbook. OSU had clearly said uncle since they didn't use the TO's BEFORE then, and Stoops was just being his usual dickish self. Just admit that much, it's not like your team isn't going to the BCS Title game either way, but don't excuse a bush league move by saying they needed that play. That was a kick 'em in the balls move simply for the sake of doing it. The game was over and # 2 was secured long before that "clutch play". I hope Meyer lets Tebow get his 7th TD of the game against OU late because he wants to make sure a 21 point lead holds up with 2 minutes to go since you never know what could happen when a team hasn't stopped you in the last 2 hours.

[Damaramu 0]

He ran it up the middle. Nothing wrong with that. It was OSU's job to stop them. You said it yourself that you're biased against them so you would obviously take this attitude towards it. It's OSU's job to stop OU running a basic play intended to eat up the clock. Sorry if you see it differently.

[Damaramu 0]

BTW, Sam Bradford's helicopter play may be a defining Hesiman type moment. That's highlight reel material here. Really the QB who wins the Big XII south probably has the Heisman locked up.

 

I'm still wondering how good of a chance OU has of going to the Big XII title game. Like better than 50/50? If we don't make it then that'll be extremely disappointing but I guess I'll move on and root for OU to finally win a BCS bowl. Word is the losers of the SEC title game and the Big XII south team that doesn't get to the title game will play each other in the Sugar Bowl.

[naiwf 0]

He ran it up the middle. Nothing wrong with that. It was OSU's job to stop them. You said it yourself that you're biased against them so you would obviously take this attitude towards it. It's OSU's job to stop OU running a basic play intended to eat up the clock. Sorry if you see it differently.

 

The easiest way to eat the clock is to take a knee and walk off of the field. Every professional team does it, even when they're inside the 5 yard line. Only HS and college coaches with issues feel the need to score to take a two possession game to a three possession game with less than 30 seconds left. I'm surprised Stoops didn't try an onside kick there since it more than likely would have worked.

 

There's NO chance OU isn't playing in the Big XII Championship. They clinched that spot last week and you seem to be the only person on the board who didn't get the memo. You worrying about their chances is like me worrying if the Giants will win 10 games this season.

[Damaramu 0]

Ok, well I disagree with you. Obviously we're not going to agree. So I'm just going to move on and hope OU wins the South (which seems to be the case).

[Damaramu 0]

I wish Brad Edwards will figure out what he's talking about. Before it was "Well a win over OSU will move OU ahead in the computer rankings and if OU wins Texas pretty much has no shot."

 

Now it's "Well a win by OU will move them even with Texas (not ahead suddenly) in the computer rankings and it'll be completely up to the polls. If some of the voters change their votes (not a massive amount like before) then Texas will win."

 

Man how his tune changed from week to week. Which is it? OU will move ahead in the computer rankings or just pull even? Texas will need a bunch of voters or just a few to move ahead?

[Maztinho 0]

Naiwf if you look at it, the play happened with like a minute and a half left in the game, OU was just doing running plays to get down to a point where they could kneel it and the RB broke a long run going right up the middle of the field, honestly it was likely the last "real" play they were going to run before taking a knee and the guy broke a tackle and the rest of the defense was out of position to do anything and the kid ran it in.

 

I dislike OU, but there wasn't anything untoward about that play. Could Stoopes just have taken a knee from that point on? Probably, but it's not like he was going for it on 4th down on the 1 here. He ran a basic quick draw from shotgun and his player made a play and OSU was just emotionally drained and nobody tackled the guy who ran right up the gut of the D.

 

Honestly, I think the mere fact that OSU was ranked will move OU ahead of Texas at this point who got a solid win over middle of the pack team.

[Damaramu 0]

I keep hearing ESPN go on about style points and impressing the voters. Shouldn't a road win over your rival who is ranked No. 12 do enough to impress voters? Even if it was close? What happened to all this "Throw the records out the window! A rivalry game is tough and impressive no matter how many games your opponent has won!" when Texas was playing A&M? Or is it because that argument only benefited ESPN's agenda then?

[naiwf 0]

Naiwf if you look at it, the play happened with like a minute and a half left in the game, OU was just doing running plays to get down to a point where they could kneel it and the RB broke a long run going right up the middle of the field, honestly it was likely the last "real" play they were going to run before taking a knee and the guy broke a tackle and the rest of the defense was out of position to do anything and the kid ran it in.

 

You're wrong. Here's the last drive. Notice that they got their last first down with 32 seconds left. A knee ends the game since it took 57 seconds for their second down play, and another 42 to run the 3rd down play.

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/...0081129_OK@OKST

 

Oklahoma Sooners at 2:20

1-10-OKST38 (2:11) DeMarco Murray rushed for 5 yards.

2-5-OKST33 (1:14) DeMarco Murray rushed for 4 yards.

3-1-OKST29 (0:32) Chris Brown rushed for 1 yard.

1-10-OKST28 (0:25) Touchdown. Chris Brown rushed for 28 yards.

(0:25) Jimmy Stevens made the extra point.

OK 61 OKST 41, Plays: 4 Yards: 38 Possession: 01:55.

[cabbageboy 0]

After this fiasco the Big 12 needs to seriously change its alignment at the very least. The North and South are so ridiculously imbalanced. Why not just combine the whole thing and take the top 2 teams and have the Big 12 title game? Sure, there would still be a 3 way tie for 1st with OU, Texas, and TX Tech, but for the sake of sanity we'll ignore Tech since they just got thrashed by OU and beat Baylor by 7. The whole idea of taking the top 2 BCS teams and doing a conf. title game is a decent enough idea, marred by Missouri being the fly in the ointment.

 

I don't understand the logic of Oklahoma over Texas in the BCS. There's no logical argument behind it. Both teams went 11-1. Texas had an SOS of #1, OU was #2 (according to realtimerpi.com anyway). And Texas beat OU head to head. So OU goes to the title game? This is the same goofy logic that had Florida St. beating Notre Dame out for the title in 1993 when both teams had 1 loss, ND beat FSU head to head, but since ND lost on a last second FG to BC they were screwed.

 

Further, even OU uber fans like Dama admit that OU has zero shot at beating someone like Florida in the title game....so why put them IN IT? We've all seen OU's BCS flops over the past 5 years, so frankly I have little desire to see them repeat it. Put OU in that game and Florida destroys them and then people wonder "Um...why did we put these guys in this game again?" At least Texas has a recent positive history of winning major bowls, with the epic Rose Bowl wins over Michigan and USC.

 

Solution: Put OU against Ohio St. in a lesser BCS bowl. At least one of them has to win that one.

 

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Florida would destroy everyone. Does that mean we shouldn't put anyone in the title game against them?

[Damaramu 0]

I don't remember admitting Florida would destroy them........I remember saying if they don't get a handle on their special teams and come up with a gameplan to stop a mobile QB then they'd get beat by Florida. I don't remember mentioning getting destroyed or anything. Way to put words in my mouth bud.

[Damaramu 0]

Florida would destroy everyone. Does that mean we shouldn't put anyone in the title game against them?

 

Yeah I forgot, Florida's the greatest team in history.

[Damaramu 0]

I don't understand the logic of Oklahoma over Texas in the BCS. There's no logical argument behind it. Both teams went 11-1. Texas had an SOS of #1, OU was #2 (according to realtimerpi.com anyway). And Texas beat OU head to head. So OU goes to the title game? This is the same goofy logic that had Florida St. beating Notre Dame out for the title in 1993 when both teams had 1 loss, ND beat FSU head to head, but since ND lost on a last second FG to BC they were screwed.

 

Because it's a 3-way tie. Not a 2-way tie. Damn people don't seem to understand that part.

[Damaramu 0]

Coaches Poll:

 

1. Alabama (57)

2. Oklahoma (2) 1396

3. Texas 1395

4. Florida (1)

5. USC

6. Penn St.

7. Utah

8. Texas Tech (1)

9. Boise St.

10. Ohio St.

11. TCU

12. Cincinnati

13. Ball St.

14. Oregon

15. Oklahoma St.

16. Georgia Tech

17. Missouri

18. BYU

19. Georgia

20. Boston Coll.

21. Michigan St.

22. Northwestern

23. Pittsburgh

24. Oregon St.

25. Mississippi

 

 

Holy hell that is close. OU was ahead by a lot last week and now they're only ahead by 1 point. Meanwhile they were barely ahead of Texas in the Harris Poll. If this is any indication then Texas probably moves ahead in the Harris Poll.

 

 

So......then what does that do? Will OU's computer rankings jump up enough from beating OSU to put them in the Big XII title game? Being ahead in this poll seems like it may be enough for OU just because they should be ahead in the computer rankings now, shouldn't they?

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Why don't you just take a nap for a few hours till the actual ratings come out instead of giving yourself ulcers all day? Poor guy.

 

I still lean towards Texas after checking some strength-of-schedule rankings and considering the merits of the head-to-head. I hope they go, but Oklahoma's got plenty of arguments as well. Here's a list of reasons for each team from CFN. I'm interested in seeing what Matt Hinton at Dr. Saturday has to say once he crunches the numbers as well, as he usually has great analysis on stuff like this.

[Damaramu 0]

Are you personally leaning towards Texas or leaning towards Texas being ahead in the computer rankings still? I must know! lol

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Personally leaning towards Texas. I don't know enough about all the algorithms in the computer rankings to say where they're actually going to land.