Corey_Lazarus

Explain how. The only reason Harris has had better singles matches in TNA is because Harris has had more singles matches in TNA, and against better opponents. He can't sell past a move, can't time his comebacks properly, has no discernable charisma, and if it weren't for his look, he wouldn't even be in TNA.

Killings/Cena would be booked as a rap-off, and nothing more. Plus, Cena would drag Killings WAAAAAY down in terms of ringwork. Maybe a three-way feud with Killings, Cena, and Booker would work, since Killings is the amalgamation of the two (half of his moveset is practically Booker's, and his gimmick is of a rapper, like Cena)...only better than he has any right to be. Ideally, if Killings were to go with WWE, I'd put him on Raw and have him do a feud with Benoit to help him get better in the ring. I could also see WWE using Styles as a tag partner to either Rey Mysterio Jr. or Paul London on SmackDown.

1. No. He sucked in WWE, was only tolerable in at the end of WCW's existence through solid booking (believe it or not, WCW when Russo left in 2000 became a very solid promotion), and he'd suck in TNA even more since TNA can take TREMENDOUS talents (Raven, Styles, Truth, Daniels, Ki, Kash, Sabin) and make them look like shit. 2. Dunno, duncare. He was only good in the WWF because his opponents were usually better than he was, and could carry him. Plus, during is run in TNA, his matches were reduced to "punch, leg lariat, side belly-to-belly, Anklelock," and, for an actually TRAINED technician, he has no sense of psychology.

Wait...Harris and Skipper...the weaker members of each team? ...the fuck?!

No, because many topics can still be debated without having watched the most recent TNA programming. Since most topics here deal with TNA over three months ago, and issues I can plainly learn via newsletters and other posters, I can still debate. So, basically, while you waste an hour a week on a show that will feature squash matches and bad angle development, I'll be working so I can get money to buy tapes of good promotions.

I could see them going for Abyss and Brown, and MAYBE Killings, but nobody else. Killings has improved tenfold since coming to TNA from his days as K-Kwik in the WWF, and has cut some very good promo's and had some nice, solid matches with varying levels of talent (hell, he pulled what many consider a **** match out of JEFF JARRETT), and is incredibly charismatic. He'd also help WWE get more black viewers, I believe, as here is a wrestler that they'd most likely give an "urban" gimmick, and he actually IS "urban" this time! Abyss is a hoss that can actually work a good match, so I can see that. Brown is pretty charismatic, and with the right booking and the right training, I could see him becoming a solid uppercarder in WWE. Just tell him to not be a generic hoss (which is hard to be when in WWE). Put him through OVW first. With Dreamer and Storm down there, he should learn how to be more than just "ARGH! ME BODYSLAM YOU AND FINISH YOU WITH POWERBOMB!" I can't see them getting Sabin, since he's too spotty and too small, and AMW, I believe, were considered very shortly in 2002 by WWE, but they figured Chris Harris was too vanilla and James Storm was also too vanilla.

Hmmmm...so, Slapnuts!, tell us why, again, we should have ordered this show? Because it's the last one? A stacked card? Oh, sorry, I forgot that "stacked card" in TNA meant "absolute shyte with some promising matches that'll get fucked up." If the Styles/Kash feud is over, then it was a terrible feud. I understand they couldn't have had matches because Kash was legitimately injured, but the fact that Kash just attacked Styles, and then was gone forever, and then came back and had two singles matches with him over the course of a month and a half...no. Sorry. That's wasting both men, as Kash is the single most over heel in the company, and Styles is one of the most over faces and also one of the best talents. And, worse yet, the finish to the feud (assuming it is finished, of course) is a match where Kash loses because his tag partner fucked up. ...sorry. Unless I hear reports of Impact being amazing, I'm absolutely giving up on TNA. And it won't be that hard, considering I haven't ordered a PPV since April, and haven't watched Impact in a month.

If you're going to say the kind found on retro 80's radio, then REM, U2, and Tears For Fears rule it all. "If you listen to The Smiths, you're gay." - Brian Warner

Karl Sanders DEFINITELY does some monster growls. What the fuck are you smoking to think otherwise?

Slayer > all on the list. Iron Maiden > all on the list. THE CURE > all on the list.

Huh? Spike Dudley is the current WWE Cruiserweight champ, Bubba Ray and D-Von are the top heel tag team on SmackDown, Chris Candido used to be part of the Bodydonnas in the mid-90's, and Balls Mahoney was Xanta Klaus in 1996. The Dudley Boyz had some damn fine matches in ECW and the WWF/WWE, Balls Mahoney was a charismatic undercard brawler, and Chris Candido worked his ass off all the time and has had MANY good matches. Which is why you obviously put a TV-MA rating on it, or at least make sure the buyer knows what they're in for by saying "Due to the graphic nature of the content in this DVD, viewer discretion is advised."

Rebuttal: Those are tag teams, not part of the Tag division. When you say "Tag division," it implies that the teams are gunning for the Tag Team titles. Team Canada, 3LK, Kash/Dallas, and KazariShane haven't been near the Tag title scene in some time. It also does not aid in your actions, as WWE has just as many tag teams as TNA. WWE Tag Teams: Kidman/London Dudley Boyz Noble/Chavo FBI La Resistance Rhyno/Tajiri Batista/Flair (the most common teaming of Evolution, thus it counts) Haas/Rico (although Rico is injured, so counting them is only a formality) Basham Brothers 9 WWE tag teams. TNA: AMW XXX Naturals 3LK Team Canada Shane/Kazarian Kash/Dallas 7 TNA tag teams. Only 3 are currently anywhere near the tag belts. All of the WWE tag teams (aside from Bashams and Haas/Rico) challenge for the belts on their respective brands consistently.

You only say that because you've never been stoned.

Yet it's surprisingly easier to kick, considering I know people that have quit cold turkey and were fine within a week, and with Nicorette and Nicoderm and that inhaler thing, it's easier than ever to kick the habit. Heroin you still need the clinic for, and withdrawals are worse. So yeah. Smoke more cigarettes.

...am I the only one starting to get kinda sick of Nile's "Egyptian" gimmick? Great music, but I also look for lyrical content, and aside from lessons on ancient history and ancient mythology, they've got nothing.

Is this Acid Bath's "Cheap Vodka"?

Well, considering Haunted and Warpath were pretty damn solid albums, and then Maximum Violence comes around which is only good for the MUSIC on three songs (one of which was a cover)...and yeah. Fuck 'em.

Rebuttal: The Tag division is AMW, XXX, and The Naturals. How are three teams, with only one of them hyped as anything special (AMW), composing the best Tag division in all of wrestling?

Mad Dog, I will wholeheartedly agree. I actually marked for Jarrett pretty hard in the beginning of TNA, as well as in WCW, because as the pissed off redneck heel? He works great. Also, him using a chair and getting into a brawl with the Tennessee Titans is CLASSIC.

I don't get how someone with that much of a biased opinion can be taken seriously. All he does is go on this forum and say the same thing about TNA every time. Yeah, its his right but it says something bout the person when he spends a lot of his time on a forum dedicated to a promotion he can't stand. Because Mike's opinions tend to come from sound reason. If you ask him for a list of what he feels are TNA's positives, he'll produce one. In the last line I was referring to Road Dogg. So when the creative team can't get a certain talent over then it's the fault of the talent? I don't buy the argument of 'there's no way to get them over" when I see Road Dogg and even Konnan in TNA and they get mad pops. Read this sentence carefully: TNA is a glorified indy fed. Two wrestlers that had mainstream, national exposure less than 5 years ago, are charismatic, and are usually used in one of the opening matches get pops? It makes sense. Well...all three had a rapper gimmick before coming to TNA...all three are a kind of minority (Konnan is Hispanic, Truth is Black, and BG is Redneck)...and two of them are terrible in the ring (Konnan and BG)...so there's not a whole lot of differences. It did big business, I can't deny it, but I believe it was because they were riding a wave. If you look at some of the internet articles from back then you'll see that people were complaining about the stale product. There was hope going into the Fully Loaded PPV (which I'll admit was good) but then those three guys that were being elevated (Jericho, Benoit, Angle) were all pushed back down to the midcard. But then couldn't you say 1999 was riding the wave that started in late 1997 because of Vince McMahon and Steve Austin? Also, internet articles from 1999 routinely bashed the products of both WCW and the WWF, WCW for their inability to understand what the fans want, and the WWF for not making any damn sense. Let's see...McMahon screwing Rock out of the belt at Mania, Shane McMahon the special referee at Backlash with Rock/HHH, McMahon's big group with HHH at the head going after Rock, Shane vs. Rock numerous times, Vince promising that Rock will never be champion again. Souds very familiar. So there are similarities. Your point? The focus of the feud was still "how will Rock defeat HHH and the obstacles placed in front of him?" The focus was on the WWF Champion, HHH, and the #1 contender, The Rock. Vince McMahon, Shane McMahon, and Stephanie McMahon were supporting characters. I liked the early X matches within the context of that show because it had other storylines/angles within the show to balance it out. I can't watch a full show with stuff like that because I'll get bored with it like I got bored with the recent ROH DVD I bought "The era of honor begins." But you're contradicting yourself, considering you said you liked matches that had reasons to them, and then gave examples of matches that routinely did NOT have reasons to them. And yes, there were angles elsewhere on the show to balance it out. Just as there were in 2000 WWF, and just as there are in current TNA. What's your point again? I'm not saying a match CAN'T BE GOOD without a story, not at all..I'm saying that I, personally, get bored after a while with stuff like that. Doesn't mean I hate it..it's just not my cup of tea. I would rather have matches with stories leading up. I can still be entertaining by random matches as long as its in a context of a show with other stories/angles so its not JUST random matches with guys I don't know. If its a show with just random matches with no stories or angle then I can't get into it. Well, duh. RoH learned that their second show in, when the main event scene of Christopher Daniels, American Dragon, and LowKi began feuding with each other because the prior event's Triple Threat match ended in a tie. But you can't have matches with stories leading up to them without matches that have no real rhyme or reason, as those exhibition bouts are what lead to the feuds. My bad, he was teaming with Taker again. And then he feuded with him AGAIN two or three months later. With Snow/Bossman - yeah it was terrible but I can atleast picture to guys wanting to kill each other over one of their animals being abused by the other guy but I can't picture two guys wanting to kill each other over spilled coffee. Considering Kane was a BURN VICTIM and HOT COFFEE tends to BURN...it makes sense, especially given Kane's mental state. I'm not saying it's a great way to start a feud, but it is sensical if you think about it. -Bossman/Big Show - happened after Russo left -Young/Henry - started about right when he was leaving, the birth of the hand was not Russo either -Nothing wrong with the feud over the DX name IMO 1. Doesn't matter. You said 1999. 2. Started in the summer of 1999, when Russo was still with the company. And I know the hand birth was when Russo was gone, but the whole angle was retarded. 3. Aside from the fact that the matches were terrible, and the feud was awful because HHH was no longer in DX, so why would he care? Also, he turned on Billy Gunn, so why would Billy Gunn want to be with him? Jericho wasn't ready? Maybe not to be world champ but definitly to be in the main event. HE was ready to be in the main event ever since he was challenging Goldberg in WCW. They needed fresh main eventers yet the creative team didn't put them in those slots. Considering fans who only knew of Jericho from the WWF saw him as an upper-midcarder, and he was only a midcarder in WCW, there was no real reason to care for him. Yes, he should have been put into the main event by the end of 2000, but he wasn't ready for most of it, since he was over, but not THAT over. Randy Orton, John Cena...both are legitimate WWE stars. And considering that most of WWE's roster is useless shit? Yeah, I can see a big gap between the amount of wrestlers on the roster and the amount of genuine stars. Proof? I doubt Hunter had enough pull in the fall of 2000 to just end a hot storyline like that. Hunter first received pull when he joined The Kliq in 1995. Sure, the MSG Incident did ruin some pull, but he got it back by the time DX started. Do you really think the feud against Owen Hart in 1998 would have been so one-sided had he not had pull? Hunter had even more pull in late 1999 when he LEGITIMATELY started dating Stephanie McMahon, AKA the boss's daughter.

No need to even take that comment seriously...Complete and utter biased...nuff said. When expressing one's own opinion, one is allowed to be biased. No argument that BIlly Gunn, Road Dogg, and Godfather aren't the greatest workers but they were over as hell when Russo was writing and were part of what made the shows entertaining. The thing is...they weren't even really buried...its just that the "genius" creative team couldn't get them over again. And don't give me the dead weight argument because if that were the case, guys like T&A, Too Cool, Rikishi and others wouldn't have been used either. Creative couldn't get the guys I mentioned over so they weren't used- period. What did he do in TNA? Well, he's over to start with...something he wasn't in WWF2000. Maybe the creative team couldn't get them over again because there was no way to actually get them over. Road Dogg's schtick has been the same for the past six years, Billy Gunn's pure shit on the stick, has no charisma, and sucks in the ring, and the Godfather was only over AS the Godfather, as all of his other gimmicks failed in the past. It's called sticking to what works. And who are you referring to in that last line? D'Lo? I don't even remember Brown on WWF TV in 2000, so that could be why he wasn't over. They were striving for that. And Rock/HHH was already done to death and completely stale. So stale it routinely drew sell-out live crowds, and average of 1 million more viewers than the prior year, and gave Backlash it's highest buyrate to date! Sorry, but "stale" refers to something that has been done too many times before and DOESN'T work. Rock/HHH had been done differently twice before (snobby Hunter Hearst Helmsley vs. Blue Chipper Rocky Maivia, DX vs. The Nation), so stale the feud was not. Same thing...1999 it was McMahon/Rock vs. Austin. 2000 it was McMahon/HHH vs. Rock. 2000 it was HHH vs. Rock. HHH just had some new friends to aid him. The main focus was still on HHH and THE ROCK. The buildup to Survivor Series was tremendous as well. Was there crap? Sure but no worse than the stuff like the stinkface match between Patterson/Briscoe in 2000. Hmmm...let's see... -Bossman/Big Show feud. -Mae Young and Mark Henry love affair. -Feud over the rights to the DX name -Sammy Looked it up and found a bunch of your old replies (with no facts behind them) from old threads. ...so? This pertains to the topic at hand how? Not irrelevant at all...you claim (since you obviously know everything) that I hate wrestling when the fact is I hate it when wrestling matches are just thrown out for no reason between guys I don't know that go forever. I loved the early X-Division matches from TNA. I'm loving the great tag action in TNA right now. If I didn't know the guys and they were just thrown out there with no story every week then I wouldn't have liked it. Two contradictory statements, and why am I not surprised? The early X-Division had one storyline: Jerry Lynn vs. AJ Styles. And when new storylines were added (The Plumtree Family, Sonny Siaki - X-Division champion, etc.), the majority of X-Division matches were still - you guessed it - randomly thrown together elimination or tag matches. You hate wrestling because you're saying a match cannot be good without an angle leading up to it, when there have been several solid matches that have been stellar with no backstory behind them. KOTR where he was nothing but a McMahon lackey and was basically slopped in there. Don't remember the other PPV he main evented...probably because I didn't care like many others. And, oh yeah, I forgot that epic feud with Kane/Y2J over spilled coffee. Hogan/Andre type heat in that one. lol: KOTR 2000? Kane was a McMahon lackey? Funny, because I remember Kane, you know, teaming up with 'Taker against HHH, Vince, and Shane O Mac. And yes, the Kane/Jericho coffee feud. No worse than Bossman and Al Snow feuding over Snow's dog Pepper. They were riding a wave that was soon to run out. If you look at columns on the internet from back then it was the general consesus that the product was stale. Actually, the general consensus was that the product was great from January 2000 until around October/November 2000, when it become just very good. Revisionist history only works if your name is Vince McMahon. Jericho/Benoit feud was good because of the wrestlers involved. Creatively, it didn't touch any of that stuff from 98 that I mentioned. And that's why it got stale by Summerslam. Well, considering it was a feud based on WRESTLING, as in "Wrestler A was beaten by Wrestler B, and wants a rematch to prove who is the best," then yeah, it's not as "creative" as The Union of People You Oughtta Respect, Son. 1. They pushed Benoit and Jericho into the main event as well. 2. Pushed right back down, yes, but that's not a fault of 2000, as neither man WAS ready in 2000 as they were just recently in the WWF. However, both men held the top belt within four years. My bad..it was a shitty ending. A feud that could have gone on for 6 months ending like crap because creative couldn't do anything with it. No, it's not because creative couldn't do anything with it. It's because HHH was getting sick of being in that angle, and wanted out of it ASAP, so he skipped over the "Steph joins Angle" section of the story, and went right to the finish. That's not creative's fault, that's HHH's fault. WOW, the originality around here. I could've sworn you and Mike were one person for a second. Mike's a lot sexier than Bob is, but that's not saying much. And we'd all stop saying you hate wrestling if you didn't act like you hated wrestling. 1999- HHH just starts main eventing, Benoit and Angle aren't around, Jericho hasn't even been in WWF for a month. He just entered the fed, he was feuding with Shamrock and they put him with Finkle to build on his WCW persona, which was hilarious and a lot more entertaining than the Jericho of today. What was? Finkle? No, sorry. I'll take Jericho having a good feud with Christian, and the buildup to that feud starting, than Finkle being pulled out of the trunk. The teaming with Finkle was an attempt to capture the magic of the WCW teaming with Ralphus, but it didn't work because Russo didn't realize that Jericho booked his own segments in WCW.

Well, there's only two advantages of being sober (thinking clear enough to not fuck nasty chicks and to drive, and not smelling like a yeast infection), so yeah.

"Now, just sit right back, and I...I may tell you a tale. A tale of three little pigs and a big...BAD...WOLF!" -"Three Little Pigs" by Green Jelly

Well, considering Mahoney and New Jack were two of ECW's more popular stars...yes, they deserve it. And the feud between Axl and Ian Rotten kinda upped the ante of what hardcore wrestling was in early 1995 for ECW. Hmmm...let's go down the matches... Unless they give a nice intro to the match about it's importance to ECW at the time...no. The match is pretty terrible, so fans looking to see what the hype was about with ECW that couldn't prior to this release (my friend Chris is one of them, as he got into wrestling in '02 and asks me why ECW was so hyped as a revolutionary company in the 90's) will be disappointed. For a second I thought this was the 2/3 Falls match with Juvi. Should be pretty good, and show fans what Rey Mysterio Jr. was like when he was GREAT and not just very good. Ehhhh...there are better matches involving either Mikey or Sandman to show. I would've picked one of the Tag Team title tournament matches from late 2000 for Mikey (especially the finals between Mikey/Tajiri and Guido/Mamaluke), and maybe the match with Rhino from (I believe) Hardcore Heaven 2000. Sandman's best work was near the end of ECW, sadly enough. No complaints here. Never seen the match, but it's from back when Sabu wasn't complete shit, and Scorpio's okay in my book. Surprisingly, I've never seen this match in its entirety, and I'm hyped. But they better have a NICE LONG video package chronicling the feud and why it was ECW's biggest for over two years. The Heat Wave '98 rematch is better. Decent match, but nothing of note until the big spot at the end. I suppose one of them had to be included, but this is the worst one, as Lynn gets knocked out cold and needs to be carried by Van Dam for about 5 or 10 minutes (turns out as bad as it sounds). The previous one, from Living Dangerously '99, was better, and the one from a year later was the best of their series. I'm wondering why there's no Dudley Boyz/Dreamer & co, Tajiri/Super Crazy, or Awesome/Tanaka matches either. Or, if they're going for early ECW, why no Rotten/Rotten matches? Shitty bouts, but hardcore. And the lack of Cactus Jack and small bit of Raven is inexcusable, considering Raven, Tommy Dreamer, The Sandman, and RVD were ECW for a long time.

Keith had the Red Hot Pokers, so maybe I can order the replay and begin a new way of doing the Rush. Of course, I did do that one Rush while drinking...