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I don't see at all where you're getting that The POUNCCCCCCCEEEEEEEE~!!!!!! is being mocked. The fans love it. They react to it the same way they did Goldberg's spear. It's sold as a devestating finishing move. I don't think it's a joke either. This is a former NFL linebacker, 260 pounds of granite colliding into you full force from the side. That's a lot more credible than most wrestling moves. I don't know how you can't like Monty Brown's promos either. They are his own unique style and he is fully confident behind the mic. The man says he watched The Discovery Channel in his spare time just so he can pick up new animal related terms to use in his promos. Say what you want about his abilities in the ring but his promos, charisma and finishing move are not to be denied. Period!

Not at all. The King Of The Mountain match was where Jeff Jarrett won his current world title, back in May I think. The original match was Truth (champ) vs. Jarrett vs. Styles vs. Raven vs. Chris Harris. It's like the opposite of a ladder match in that instead of retrieving the belt, you need to climb and hang it, but in order to be eligable to climb you needed to score a pinfall over an opponent. The opponent who gets pinned has to go into a mini jail cell cage at ringside for 2 minutes, and then is released back into the match again. Part of the fun is if another participant gets pinned, and someone is still has time left in the box, there could be 2 or even 3 guys sharing the cage for how ever long their time remained. I believe you could also pin opponents even after you've gained eligability to send others into the box, both to keep them from gaining eligability or if they have a pinfall to just keep them out of your way as you climb the ladder. The match was really awesome and is most memorable for AJ doing a spectacular flip dive over the cell at ringside onto a bunch of people. Hopefully you get the idea. TNA's match gimmicks are great in their uniqueness but sometimes can be a bit convoluted.

Yes, Brown is the best shot they've got at creating a new star. He has tons of charisma, the fans are into him and as evidenced by his match with Jarrett on Impact! (which was a trial baloon make no mistake about it), he proved he could hang and helped Jarrett to his best match in a long time. I'm all for it, but I want to see it done right. TNA's biggest weakness is their finishes, I want to see it done clean and decisively.

They don't even have to put in on last, as they've shown they're not afraid to put on "the best match last". I think no matter what the NWA title situation is, they should book an Ultimate X between Petey, Sabin and Skipper, give them 20-25 minutes and have them close the show. I think if TNA can get into the habit of ending their shows with spectacular matches they will leave a lasting impression on the audience and continue to grow...

Quite interesting indeed. TNA puts on a good show, as not one poster here who ordered was dissapointed (heck, I don't think I've heard anything but glowing reviews from anyone who ordered), and even more to my suprise positive interest is way up amongst those who didn't order. I hope this bodes well for Final Resolution. Pending at least a decent card, I hope everyone gives TNA a shot, because they are in a critical period right now, and the only way for them to sustain is through PPV buys. I'm proud to support an alternative!

Hahah, he wanted the belt. He could barely do more than punch at the PPV. This is good news since TNA would be going backwards if they truly booked Jarrett/Savage at Final Resolution, had all these people tune in (and according to my unscientific poll, there is an interest in TNA's PPVS) and have everyone come away with a stinker. Now let's get behind Monty Brown.

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NEWS ON TURNING POINT - HIGHLIGHTS, MOMENTS, INJURIES AND MUCH MORE FROM THE EPIC EVENT Several major news items came out of Sunday's Turning Point Pay-Per-View... Despite a backstage attack and kidnapping, The Macho Man Randy Savage made his return to action on Sunday night, returning to the arena in time to assist AJ Styles and Jeff Hardy in overcoming three-on-two odds against The Kings Of Wrestling. Savage was able to get the win on NWA World Heavyweight Champion Jeff Jarrett after The Macho Man reversed a Sunset Flip into a pin! New NWA World Tag Team Champions were crowned as Bobby Roode and Eric Young of Team Canada regained the gold against 3Live Kru's The Truth and BG James. The bout saw the return of Team Canada member Johnny Devine, who hit BG James with a Canadian Flag to help Roode and Young win. Following the bout, The Truth's arm and shoulder were examined by medical staff. No update is known at this time, although the injury didn't appear to be serious. After being thrown onto a pile a tacks by The Alpha Male to end their Serengeti Survival Match, the monster Abyss received immediate medical attention following the bout to remove thumbtacks from the back of his head and arms. The Pay-Per-View saw the return of Pat Kenney and Jacqueline to TNA, as Kenney teamed with Johnny B. Badd to beat The New York Connection with Jacqueline as special referee. And in what is sure to go down as a true TNA classic, America's Most Wanted defeated Triple X in the Six Sides of Steel, forcing Primetime and The Fallen Angel to disband. The bout also saw Elix Skipper execute perhaps the most insane maneuver in the history of wrestling, as he walked the top of the steel cage like a tightrope (30 feet from the ground!) and sent Chris Harris crashing down to the canvas with a hurricanrana! After the bloody Six Sides of Steel, Chris Harris, James Storm and Christopher Daniels were all treated for head lacerations by the medical trainer. Fortunately, none required a trip to the hospital, but all will certainly be hurting in the days to come as a result of this epic warfare! Click here for a highlight video of the cage match and replay times: http://www.tnawrestling.com/information/replay/replays.shtml There are moments in professional wrestling, just as in any other athletic setting, when a performance is so breathtaking and extraordinary that no matter what your opinion of that performer is, you must stand-up and applaud the shear greatness of it. Those moments of individual achievement become indelibly etched in our minds and become part of the history and fabric of the sport. A moment such as this happened last night at “Turning Point,” and the whole wrestling world is on their feet applauding: Chris Harris, James Storm, Christopher Daniels and Primetime. On Sunday, the “iMPACT!” Zone in Orlando, FL was host to TNA Wrestling’s “Turning Point,” seen exclusively on pay-per-view. The fans in attendance and the ones watching at home and from around the world were treated to an amazing night of emotion and athleticism. America’s Most Wanted (“Tennessee Cowboy” James Storm & “Wildcat” Chris Harris) and Triple X (“Fallen Angel” Christopher Daniels & Primetime) met in a Six-Sided Steel Cage match, where the losing team would never be allowed to tag team in TNA again. The match was the culmination of a year and a half long feud between the two teams. As the match progressed, the fans in the iMPACT! Zone were on their feet cheering and shouting “Best Match Ever” and backstage every TNA wrestler was huddled around a monitor watching the action. The action was incredibly tense with each competitor executing high-risk moves that put not only their careers, but their well-being in jeopardy. It takes something special and rare to make athletes, such as professional wrestlers, rise to their feet and openly cheer for their fellow competitors. After the match concluded, several TNA Superstars were so stirred, that they entered the arena to give a standing ovation to their peers, others were moved to tears The Fans Have Spoken “That was quite possibly the best Cage Match I’ve ever seen, possibly since the inception of the WarGames.” From Wrestling Observer This was also the first match in a long time to actually get me out of my seat and have me screaming at the TV. “What he (Primetime) did was the most extreme move I have ever seen in wrestling. Anyone who risks his life for his company must truly believe in the product that they are producing.” From 1wrestling.com “I don’t know how ANYONE can not feel this pay-per-view was worth their money. For those who didn’t catch it, I highly recommend ordering the replay.” From 1wrestling.com “I enjoyed paying for this show, something I cannot say when I purchase a WWE event.” From PWTorch.com If you missed this match and the rest of the amazing action that took place at “Turning Point,” or you are just dying to see it again, contact your pay-per-view provider for the replay of the 3-hour mega event.

If they're going with Savage/Jarrett they're in trouble, because Macho Man could barely move at Turning Point. I have to think they're reconsidering that. I agree with bps that a King of The Mountain match would be an excellent idea. It introduces one of the TNA's better innovative matches to a lareger audience, gets plenty of people involved, creating drama and allows Savage to participate while being largely protected. Those little jail cells are awesome too. I agree this would be a good match for the KOTM: Jarrett vs. Savage vs. Abyss vs. Hardy vs. Brown Styles vs. Daniels starting a feud and having a match would be good. DDP vs. Raven in some sort of wacky streetfight gimmick. Ultimate X: Sabin vs. Petey vs. Skipper, ohhhh yeah Hall/Nash vs. AMW 8 man elimination: Garza/Dutt/Batts/Clark vs. Kash/Shane/Kazarian/Nosawa (or whoever) 6 man tag for the titles, D'more locked in a cage at ringside: 3Lk vs. Divine/Roode/Young. Something like that I think would be a good card. If they dont do the KOTM match (which I dont think they will, totally our idea) then I would headline with Brown vs. Jarrett and do the title switch. CLEAN.

Lo Ki is not under contract to TNA. TNA only uses contracted wrestlers (even the job guys have short term deals) and Lo Ki has refused because he wants the freedom to work in Japan. I suppose if he were to return, they could team him with either one but I doubt that's in the plans. Lo Ki has really not been mentioned much. When TNA was created, in exchange for giving the NWA a national outlet, the NWA board which still controls the titles gave TNA complete control over the booking of the NWA World Title and NWA Tag Team Titles. If TNA folded, the board would retain booking rights over those titkes. The X Title was created by TNA and I don't know its status as recognised by the NWA board, but I'd imagine they would gain control of that too. They don't have the woman's title because there are no women to wrestle and women's wrestling by and large sucks anyway.

Interesting, no one who ordered the show has said they were diappointed in it yet, and even more interestingly a majority of non-orders seem to wish they had ordered it. Hopefully this bodes well for Final Resolution in January!

Im sure TNA's website will have pics up soon from the show. The Torch guys might have had a point that he looked like a puffier George Carlin. He was really thin and looked as small as Styles and Hardy, had a thick black beard and large bald spot. He looked old basically.

I know there is already a Turning Point thread, so hopefully the mods don't mind me making this (come on its the TNA folder, it barely gets threads as it is). But I first noticed this phenomenom after The Torch took a poll after Victory Road that it seems that while those that choose not to order tend to read the results of TNA's PPVs and laugh about how bad it sounds while those who do order tend to enjoy it. So I thought I would test this out here at TSM. I wish I could make multiple polls, but in the replies please tell me if Turning Point makes you more likely or less likely to want to order Final Resolution in January (and include whether you ordered Turning Point or not). Anything else you enjoyed or didn't enjoy from the show and what you want to see at the next show can be included as well. I swear I do not work for TNA marketing, I am just curious myself as a TNA fan to see where people stand on the promotion's PPVs.

The cage match was def. better than the first one they had (and I LOVED that match). I think the X Division Title Match deserves a lot of love too. Tremendous heat, some crazy moves and reversals and given the right amount of time, making it better than last month's Styles/Williams match, but just lacking the ending. That's whats so frsutrating sometimes about TNA they give you this match that is sure to be over **** but then stop short of a classic with a dumb ending. Oh well, still one of the best X title matches they've had in a while. How about that crowd, though? Orlando deserves major props for their interactions and extra level of energy they gave the show as a whole. Best 5 chants from Turning Point: 5. Super Shredder, at Keven Nash 4. Please Don't Die, at Elix Skipper attempting the cage walk 3. This is Awesome, during the X title match 2. Best Match Ever, during the cage match 1. Lets Go Sabin-Lets Go Petey, duleing during the X title match.

Fun show, had its disappointments but overall was good and better than Victory Road. The opening package was fun with the KOW dressing like Elvis and I marked out for The Flying Elvis song playing. Savage was actually coherent too and put over Styles and Hardy as the future of wrestling. The Vince/HHH impersonators were funny but it got kind of old. I laughed at Vince telling Sabin he's fired for violating the dress code and HHH smashing things with his sledgehammer. As for the WWE footage, it obviously was nothing much, especially with the blurs but you could tell Eddie and Rey were there, but it made Tenay's point that WWE is thretening to sue over nothing validity. I did laugh at Truth taking from the catering. Team Canada def. 3LK. **1/4 Solid but unspectacular opening tag match. Nice to see Devine back, the finish wasn't great with the predictable flag shot, but that's kind of their gimmick. Garza/Dutt/Siaki def. Kash/Shane/Kazarian. *** This was a very good X division tag match. Dutt sold his arm well and I liked the slow burn to the hot tag and the heels blatantly cheating and not tagging. Garza's moonsault and tornito (sp?) were both beautiful. Monty Brown def. Abyss. **1/2 Solid big man brawling match up. The spot where Abyss catches the Black Hole slam out of the pounce, and the spot where Brown headbutted the table were good. Thumbtack slam was akward in that Abyss landed on his head. OUCH. Johnny B Badd/Pat Kenney def. NYC (Jaqueline ref.). * Filler match on the show. I wasn't paying much attention really. DDP def. Raven. **1/2 I was impressed with DDP here. He was working really hard and looked good. Far better than any of his WWE matches. I didn't get how it kind of turned into a no disqualification match halfway through though. The ending was really convoluted, and as I predicted Watts interfered to lead to the rematch, yet DDP still hit his superman comeback and won with the diamond cutter. I don't get this one. Petey Williams def. Chris Sabin. ***3/4 loved everything about this but the ending. This one screamed for a clean finish as the knuckle shot was just so out of place and anticlimatic. Otherwise it was given almost 20 minutes, the crowd was RED HOT (the dueling "Let's Go Sabin" "Let's Go Petey" chants added unreal layers to the match). It was just a solidly worked X match that got hotter and hotter until the bad finish. Savage/Styles/Hardy def. KOW. **3/4 This one was pretty decent and if Savage had done more it would have been rated higher. Hall and Nash (despite their goofy elvis outfits) seemed to be taking their jobs seriously and were working hard to hold up their end of the match. Styles especially came out looking good. Jarrett per usual worked well with him. Savage was obviously a major bomb. I disagreed with keeping out until the very end but once he arrived I saw why. He looked rail thin, and really old. The guy couldn't do anything and didnt even try his famous elbow. Its sad to seem him such a shell of himself. Otherwise, a solid, yet anti-climatic match. Good thing it wasn't the main event. AMW def. XXX. ****1/2 Best TNA match in a LONG time and one of the greatest cage matches I've ever seen. Better than the first one these guys had. It was all action packed, full of emotion and lots and lots of blood (Daniels gusher was sick!). The Primetime spot where he did his cagewalk into a hurrincanrana was absolutely one of the most insane spots I have ever seen in a wrestling match. The fans were chanting "Please Don't Die" the whole time he was going for it and I was holding my breath. Absolutely spectacular. Daniels super elbowdrop looked real good too. The spots with the handcuffs were smartly done and AMW winning with XXX's move after XXX tried AMW's move was a fitting end. A must see match and can be argued it saved the show (I'd say it just elevated it from decent just like Victory Road to a good show). Interesting again that those who actually ordered the show enjoyed it, and its just those that didn't order it and just read the results that say it sucked. To improve next time, they just need to provide more clean finishes and focus on stars who can actually wrestle. Otherwise 2 excellent matches and eveything else was decent, and Savage was like a curiosity trainwreck to watch. Thumbs Up for Turning Point.

I will be ordering tonight and I encourage everyone else to as well. The cage match, X title and X 6 man all have potential to be VERY good, while the main event 6 man, DDP/Raven and Brown/Abyss all have potential to be good and entertaining matches. If you want to support TNA and see an alternative to what WWE is putting out take a chance and order the show. Victory Road was a pleasent suprise for anyone who ordered as amongst those that ordered the show, very few were disappointed. The show is $29.95 as was Victory Road. The buyrate for Victory Road came in at 30,000-40,000 which is much higher than expected. I expect about 25,000 for Turning Point. For the poster who asked, Sonny Siaki actually is a former X Division champion. It is not about weight limits but style. I agree though he is not the protoype for an X division star, though. Feel the Madness, Order the show!

Kid Kash, Michael Shane, and Kazarian vs. Hector Garza, Sonjay Dutt and Sonny Siaki Prediction: Dutt pins Kash. This should be a good, fast paced X-division style matchup. Dutt gets his revenge of Kash for the coconut shot at Victory Road. Raven vs. Diamond Dallas Page Prediction: Raven I think this feud keeps going. I mean it's really just gotten started, they're being so engimatic with the background, Erik Watts appeared for the teaser on Impact!, plus DDP has consistently gotten the advantage on Raven in the leadup. Raven wins through some sort of weird happenings, leading to the rematch in January. Serengeti Survival Match: Abyss vs. Monty Brown Prediction: Monty Brown Serengheti Survival for those who keep asking is pin, submission or slam on thumbtacks to win rules. Brown wins in dominating fashion after a POUNCEEEEEEEE~! onto the thumbtacks. 6 Sides of Steel Match: America's Most Wanted vs. Triple X Prediction: AMW I was tempted to go with XXX (and wouldn't be shocked if they win) as there are reports that Storm and Harris aren't getting along and that TNA might want to split them up anyway, but even if they win they could still breakup down the road. Daniels needs to be utilised as a singles. This should be match of the night honors, as long as Elix doesn't suffer another concussion! They're all out to prove themselves after last month's disaster, so expect all the stops to be pulled out. TNA does cage matches right. TNA X-Division Championship: Petey Williams vs. Chris Sabin Prediction: Petey Williams Sabin has countered the Canadian Destoryer 3 weeks in a row, I think he will again at the PPV, only for Petey to counter the Cradle Shock. Should be an excellent match if given the time it deserves (which I think it will being that they've cut down from 9 to 7 matches this month). NWA Tag-Team Championship: 3 Live Kru vs. Team Canada Prediction: 3LK 3 Live Krew are still the most popular team with the fans and deserve to keep the belts. I don't expect much from the match but the crowd should be into it. Randy Savage, AJ Styles, and Jeff Hardy vs. The Kings of Wrestling Prediction: Savage pins Jarrett I actually have high hopes for this match and think it will be a fun 6 man tag that will play to everyone's strengths without exposing anybody. I can see it being rated about ***. Savage will hit the big elbow for theclimax and set up a one on one with Jarrett. Styles looks strong against Hall but who knows what Nash will do. I will be ordering tonight (luckily Im home so I can watch live rather than waiting for the tape to come to school) and I encrouage everyone else to order as well to support TNA and to see an alternative to WWE. Their buyrates for Victory Road were higher than expected, between 30,000-40,000 buys (most predicted under 20). I wouldn't be suprised to see it go down this month but I dont think it will be by that much as a Torch poll indicated that those who ordered Victory Road liked what they saw and will likely order Turning Point by a large margin (those who were disappointed in the show were mostly those who didnt order anyway). I'll say about 25,000 buys for Turning Point. Feel the madness and order the show!

I don't know if anyone can fill MikeSC's combination of regular postings and stubborness to the point of entertainment in his rebuttles. Anyway, as for Bush's scandal? I don't know, maybe OBL's is found in his guest room or something...

That's a good point, but at the same time, Mike's daily postings had a habit of starting up conversations and fun arguments, and with his absence I feel there is a void.

I guess the Current Events folder is dead. Great, I hope you're all happy. Anyway because of my laptop being out of service for like a month, I haven't been keeping up much, what is this confrontation everyone keeps referring to in CE that casued Mike to leave?

This man:

Well even though my bank account is getting scary low, the Holidays are coming up plus I should be back at my job for Winter Break in a couple weeks, so I went ahead and took advantage of the deal. I already had the first 12 ROH shows (the 2002 shows) from a couple people but decided as long as they had a sale, I'd go ahead and buy the next few from the official store for 12 dollars a pop ($15-20% discount). I got: Revenge on the Prophecy- West Mifflin, PA 1/11/03 (DVD) One Year Anniversary Show- Queens, NY 2/8/03 (2 Tape Set)-on VHS since they were sold out on DVD! Expect the Unexpected- Cambridge, MA 3/15/03 (DVD) Night of the Champions- Philadelphia, PA 3/22/03 (DVD) A little under 60 bucks which is pretty good, especially for a product who's first year I've just gotten done watching and am anxious to see where they go from there (and from what I've read it gets really good).

Mike stopped posting? What did I miss?

I guess we were really naughty this year...

Dude, you are just digging yourself in a deeper and deeper hole with that.... To be fair, a couple of the Smackdown diva-rejects have roles. Fashion designer, Fitness something and another... That's the part that I find most entertaining to see what roles they give each one to justify their place on the show. The last one they just gave up and said "aw hell, she's a new Diva". Is anyone else sad that apparently Jen The Makeup Lady will no longer be around? Who else will Stephanie and the rest of the Divas gossip with?