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The plan was never for RVD/Kane at Unforgiven. Once Linda McMahon was tombstoned, the big feud for Kane WAS planned to be with Shane McMahon. I think the match was originally planned for SummerSlam, but to build up Kane's MONSTER STREAK, they decided to have him beat RVD. Then, once he was looking truly strong, they made him look like a bitch to Shane McMahon. The idea was never to have RVD/Kane as the big blow-off feud. It was always for Kane/Shane since, in Vince's eyes, that is the $$$ MONEY MATCH $$$. RVD's comments had nothing to do with the plan - though it might have had to do with the official burying of him in that Raw Cage match.

Whoever posted the log-in info should be ashamed of themselves. Seriously. Don't you know this is illegal ?! This is against the law ! Cruel and unusual punishment is punishable in the courts of the United States. How DARE you subject somone to sit through this horrible piece of shit entitled Unforgiven tonight. Have you no shame ? Have you no conscience ? I spit on you and everything you stand for. *SPIT* Have some respect for your common man.

My favorite part of the night: During the JR/Lawler and Coach/Snow match: Crowd: We Want Tables ! Jerry *smiles* Ah, ha. I know what the fans want. *climbs to top rope* *flying fist drop* *The crowd goes MILD* I just found it hilarious the way Lawler smiled during the chant - and did his boring fist drop anyway. -And I officially consider Unforgiven to be worse than Bad Blood this year. Hard to do, but I knew Vince had it in him.

2 PPVs, until it's time....once again....for him to PLAY THE GAME-UH~!

They're not even excited right now. God damn, we need Coach and Snow to commentate. At least they're not like this fucking announce team. Worst announcing job I've ever heard in my life during that Triple Threat match.

Maybe, if: You exclude matches with women's wrestlers. You exclude matches where managers, announcers and any non-wrestlers worked. You exclude matches used exclusively for jobber squashes. HHH/Steiner I. HHH/Steiner II. Big Show/Undertaker (No Way Out?) Kane/Test(No Mercy 2001) 4 matches right there. I could research into the night if I wanted to, for horrifically awful matches. Your statement really pisses me off, because it's completely without merit. Take away the pathetic crowd, and the match wasn't that bad at all.

Wha-? Besides the lack of crowd heat, this wasn't too bad at all. Make an argument about how HHH/Steiner I and HHH/Steiner II were better than this ? As well as COUNTLESS, COUNTLESS other awful matches. Please, I'm dying to hear.

1-5, I think. They found out he won at Backlash.

Well, now you know Jericho,Christian, and RVD are going to walk in the back and Vince is going to blame them for killing the Hershey crowd. Vince: Well, guys, you really blew it. Why are you all so vanilla ? Why can't you be more exciting like my boy, Randy Orton ? Huh ? Get OUT OF MY FACE !! ...... Vince: Okay, Coach and Al. You're on. Better than those 3 pieces of shit.

Never saw that before. Beautiful move.

Please. This is RVD looking like a WWE SUPERSTAR, by gawd. For the jobber-RVD, please find WWE Raw from 2 weeks ago. You know, it was that thrilling cage match with Kane. Yep, Kane. The same monster who, by gawd, get his ass kicked by that raised-from-the-streets thug Shane McMahon.

Good bye, Hershey. Nice knowing you as a crowd. They've been silent for every match tonight except Kane/Shane and half of HBK/Orton. Why even bother going if you're going to sit on your hands all night ? God damn, I just don't get it.

The match was made to fail. -Thrown together, at the last minute. -Put after Shane/Kane, where Shane took a "HOLY SHIT" bump and was taken out on a stretcher. Now, fans should be excited again ? -Christian and Jericho just beat up RVD the whole match. -JR's a fat piece of shit that isn't motivated unless he's stuffing his face or Stone Cold is drinking a beer. -Lawler's a perverted piece of shit that isn't motivated unless there are tits in front of him.

This match is getting buried by the commentators. Come on JR, you fat piece of shit ! Get excited ! Pretend there's a piece of cake in front of you ! GOD DAMMIT !! Three future superstars in the ring, and they sound like they overdosed on sleeping pills. Fucking PATHETIC !

Well, nevermind about the penis in the fruit juice. Snopes.com said it was a hoax. ------------------------------------------------------------ Origins: On 2 October 2001, the never-ending stream of rumors arising from the September 11 terrorist attacks on America was momentarily disrupted by an odd story about a grisly find made by a man imbibing the contents of a bottle of Ora Potency Fruit Punch purchased in Colorado. Juan Sanchez-Marchez said he discovered a penis in his drink after he had downed about two-thirds of the 20-ounce bottle. He called the local police and turned the organ over to them for further investigation. Speculation ran rampant as to the identity of the man the penis the belonged to, what might have happened to him, and how this organ came to find its way into a bottle of fruit drink. (Three Rivers Bottling LLC in New Kensington, the bottling company from which the drink came, uses a high-speed, automated process that would make it next to impossible for anyone to insert something into a bottle on the production line. The drink is sold in clear bottles that are filled, instantly capped and then inspected at the plant. It was thus unlikely any item had been casually dropped into a passing bottle.) The local coroner authorized tests to make sure the find was indeed what it appeared to be: a 3-inch length of human penis, neatly severed at the end. The find prompted the recall of that line of punch by the manufacturer. Production of the beverage was also halted at the bottling plant. Days later the coroner's office announced the gruesome item was actually mold and not human tissue. According to them, the mold likely developed after the metal lid on the fruit punch bottle was tightened improperly, allowing air to seep through the cap. That air and the high sugar content of the drink made for an ideal climate for mold, which probably started growing from the underside of the lid. As initially comforting that change in the status of things might be, further thought reveals that imbibing a liquid that a mold has been growing in isn't all that much of an improvement. From:snopes.com ----------------------------------------------------- But with that: 1) While mold is better than finding a penis in your fruit juice....it's still friggin mold, which is pretty disgusting in itself. 2) http://www.snopes.com/horrors/food/punch.htm - The link, where you get a picture of it. I'm sorry but, to me, that still looks a lot more like a penis than mold.

Didn't someone find a penis in a bottle of fruit juice a year or two ago ? Now, THAT is something worth suing over. As for this lawsuit, hell, I don't blame her. Finding a tooth in a bowl of soup is disgusting and Campbell's should have to pay SOME money as punishment, and assure that it won't happen again. I know I'd flip if I saw a tooth in my soup, so I think she has a right to sue - just not for $50 million or some other absurdly high number.

.....what the fuck are you talking about ? Big Daddy was about a guy finding a kid on his doorstep, and having no idea how to raise him. Mr. Deeds was about a guy inheriting a future, but totally clueless about how the money should be used, and lost in the world of the big city. Anger Management was about someone having to deal with an insane anger coach or face jail time, although he was pretty sane at the beginning of the movie. How in the hell are these three movies the same ? I'm not saying Anger Management didn't suck, but give me a break. That statement is pretty ridiculous.

Again, I have to say: What happened to the Gambling Thread?

What the hell happened to the results of this ? Considering Unforgiven is tomorrow night, are we even going to HAVE a gambling thread for it ?

And Bill Goldberg is ? Please. Don't sit there and tell me with a straight face that RVD doesn't have the ability or the mic skills to win the Heavyweight title - while Goldberg is about to win it this Sunday. If given the chance, RVD could shine. But WWE refuses to give him the chance.

Oh please. We all know this story isn't fake. Hurricane is one of the smark-darlings, so it's INCONCEIVABLE that the guy can ever be an asshole. We know he's had a bad temper in the past, so this story is entirely plausible. If the roles were switched, and Mack was the asshole, people would be assuming it was 100% fact and calling for his firing. But since Hurricane did it, everyone likes to be in denial. The guy was an asshole, and got what was coming to him. Hopefully, this will shut his mouth and show him that he's not nearly as tough as he likes to act.

Damn, I'm ashamed to admit I laughed at a Bob Ryder joke, but it wasn't bad at all.

At the VERY least, HHH, Austin, and GB can claim to have drawn some money. RVD can't even claim that. And HHH and Austin can point to some legitimately great matches that they've been involved in. RVD is seriously lacking in that regard --- ECW marks be damned. RVD is a very, very average in-ring worker and will need Jericho to basically carry the entire 3-way for the match to work. Rob isn't bad --- and a World Title run on RAW is hardly out of line --- but he is hardly one of the greats and if he were on SD, his flaws would stick out BIG-TIME. He's nothing special. -=Mike *groan* I'm so tired of hearing some of this arguments. Okay, let's start from the beginning. "At the VERY least, HHH, Austin, and GB can claim to have drawn some money. RVD can't even claim that." When has he been given the opportunity ? When has he been given the chance to carry the ball ? Triple H has held the Raw title 11 out of 12 months, he damn well better draw some money. Austin was the sole reason behind WWE Attitude, and the full force of the WWE Marketing Machine, so he better draw some money. And Goldberg has only drawn money in WCW - in WWE, he's been a bust so far. But when has RVD had a run with the Heavyweight Title ? When has RVD had a high profile feud revolve around him [The Kane Squash-A-Thon doesn't count] He's never been given a chance to see IF he could bring in the viewers or not, so this argument holds no water whatsoever. And, by the way, RVD wasn't on Armageddon 2002 - and it had one of the lowest buyrates for PPV in recent memory. Coincidence ? Perhaps. But I'm sure there were some people who did not buy it because of the exclusion of RVD. And HHH and Austin can point to some legitimately great matches that they've been involved in. RVD is seriously lacking in that regard --- ECW marks be damned. RVD vs Jeff Hardy - Invasion 01 RVD vs. Jeff Hardy - Ladder Match - SummerSlam 01 RVD vs. Chris Jericho - Unforgiven 01 RVD vs Kurt Angle vs. Steve Austin - No Mercy 01 RVD vs Undertaker - Vengeance 01 RVD vs Eddie Guerrero - Backlash 02 RVD vs Eddie Guerrero - Judgment Day 02 RVD vs Chris Jericho - King of the Ring 02 RVD vs Chris Benoit - SummerSlam 02 Elimination Chamber - Survivor Series 02 -And nope, no PPV matches in 2003, since the majority were teaming with Kane versus the likes of superstars like Regal & Storm, the Dudleys, and La Resistance. If these teams don't know how to put on ***** classics, I don't know what teams do. These have only been his good-great PPV matches in his WWE career thus far. I didn't include his matches with Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, the Rock, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, the ladder match with Eddie Guerrero, Tommy Dreamer, etc. that took place on Raw or Smackdown and were highly enjoyable. I didn't even bring up any of his ECW matches, with some of them being extreme classics. Has he perhaps had as many GREAT matches as HHH or Austin ? No. But this can be attributed to his different style and, since he has had so many good matches, it looks like he's doing something right. RVD is a very, very average in-ring worker and will need Jericho to basically carry the entire 3-way for the match to work. It's your opinion RVD is a very, very average in-ring worker. I consider him above average. It's not his fault he's been put in tag matches, squash matches, and 3-minute matches for the past year. When he's allowed to really haul ass, like in the above mentioned matches, he knows how to shine. Rob isn't bad --- and a World Title run on RAW is hardly out of line --- but he is hardly one of the greats and if he were on SD, his flaws would stick out BIG-TIME. Finally, I agree. Rob isn't bad -- and a World Title run on Raw isn't out of line at all. And nobody here has been calling RVD one of the greats. However, he continuously gets enormously loud crowd support, puts on good matches when given the chance, and would be a fresh alternative to the staleness we have now. And, finally, you say he would stick out like a sore thumb on Smackdown - he's had good-great matches with Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Undertaker - four guys that are on Smackdown right now. I don't think he'd stick out at all, and working with these guys could only make him even better. Wrestling La Resistance and Three Minute Warning this year has done nothing with his skills. Stick him on Smackdown, and he would finally have the opponents he needs to truly shine. He's nothing special. He's something special.

Here lies the careers of Kane and Rob Van Dam. R.I.P. And I guess Shawn's religion doesn't allow him to go to strip clubs, huh ? Otherwise, I'm shocked that he wouldn't go.

There. Found the excerpt: "My dad never hesitated to discipline my brothers, even when they were in high school. Big as he was, he seemed invincible to me. They did an autopsy on him after he died and they said he lived through two heart attacks in his sleep that he never even knew he had. I do remember one, I think - a night when he seemed to be flipping out on the couch. He fell onto the floor, holding his chest. Of course he has been drinking, and I thought he was just drunk. He just got up, got back on the couch, and went to sleep - never said a word to anyone about it. My dad never went to the hospital for anything, until he fell off his crane that day. "He was fifty-five years old at the time, building the Doubletree Hotel in downtown Pittsburgh. He was leaning on the gate, preparing to get into his crane, when the gate gave way, and he fell fifteen feet backward, landing on his head in a ditch. He got knocked out for a few minutes. Later, we learned he cracked his skull in three different places and broke both of his shoulders. Yet he was so tough, he got up from that and walked to the hospital by himself. And they told us that all he cared about was making sure somebody called his wife and kids. Three hours later, he was in a coma." -So there ya go.