RavishingRickRudo

You guys don't realize the implication this has, do you?

Rudo, you've been here long then me so you've had to have noticed his demeanor towards everything. I've seen Choken in the same light I've seen Downhome, Rico, Zsasz, Ward, Kotz, CWM, ChaosRage, Hartfan, Coffey, UseTheSledge, MikeSC, UYI, Ray, (and on and on and on). Guys who I tend to completely disagree with and who view wrestling differently than I do. If I were running the board, half+ those guys would be gone because I don't really like em and roll my eyes when they post - and they'd probably say the same thing about me. But then again, different POV's are needed to create discussion, and I saw CO like that. I gave examples of what to check out for a feeling of what he did and what not since Sass isn't on at the moment, and I as a member support this quite a bit. For too long people just causing shit and derailing convos has been turning alot of people off from this place. It has alot of good people to have discussion with, but why would they stay when stuff like this is happening? The mods are finally weeding out the problems so we can have civil discussion. That doesn't mean everybody just agrees with one another but rather they can all give their opinions without a "Fuck you, you're wrong and an imbecile for thinking so" then nothing more. I did that. Lots of people did and do that. People who have posted in this thread against Choken have done that. To ban someone for that (derailing threads for their own goals), you'd take away a significant chunk of the content. And here we are back to the notion of people who _don't_ post in the WWE folder effect what goes on there. There's another fundamental issue that we were debating a few months ago that hasn't been resolved and probably will never be resolved until we get solid leadership. Quite frankly, I think The Dames needs to come in and clean house. Whether it be for one side or the other, there is a dividing point in this forums that keeps coming up, and The Dames - the guy who owns the site and the only guy who can legitimately do whatever he wants because he pays for it -, I feel, should do something about it. I've yet to see you actually support anything though. Out of curiousity have you found any decision made in the past 6 months to be a positive one?(not trying to start shit, its an actual question) I don't "support anything" (which is a rather broad claim, but there's been about half-a-dozen things that I haven't liked, so I won't play indignant) because there is a fundamental problem with clearity and consistancy with all the rules they implement. There is a mentality that rules apply to some but do not apply to others that has me concerned. CWM saying that "he was completely useless and didn't contribute to the board in anyway" had me in stitches considering the source. Infact, the irony was so thick that I'm half-wondering if it were intentional. Choken One was at his worst last Summer when he kept making those retarded Smackdown Spoiler threads that would go for 3 pages before there would be any legitimate spoilers involved. He wasn't banned then, yet is banned now? It all feels so random, and until there is any reasonable explanation provided for it, then "random" is exactly what it is.

Universal wants a Sci-fi franchise and they see that potential in Firefly. It took Joss a year+ to get the OK for a movie, so it's not like there wasn't any convincing needed to be done. Joss: Ok, Universal Executives, here's Firefly. *Shows them a picture* Universal Executives: BRILLIANT! We'll take 3! Plus 3 pictures are not guaranteed, it all depends on how well the first one does.

I think you (mods) do owe some explanation. I didn't like Choken One but I don't really see a reason for him to be banned. I've seen a lot worse (posters and posts) that get overlooked (and I think CO was pretty bad) - so where is the line? Obviously there isn't one and you make and define the line whenever you please (and are pretty unapologetic about it). If we posters don't know the "rules" and what constitutes "intolerable", then that means we're posting blind and anyone is suspect to getting banned without knowing why. I personally don't like where this is going -and I know that doesn't mean anything because we've had discussions like this before, and here we are again- because I simply don't like the idea that I (or anyone else) could be banned under the same grounds. There is absolutely no clearity in these "rules" and "bannings" and there is no consistancy either. This is some Internet MB Gestapo shit goin on here, and it's going to get worse before it gets better.

They never mentioned it on the show, but I believe it's in one of the filming scripts. And Mole. You suck.

WASH~! Interview. The SUMMER OF TUDYK! Continues~! Alan Tudyk - "Serenity" Movie - Actionadventure.about.com Interview From Actionadventure.about.com - By Fred Topel - 2004-07-18t Firefly movie news I usually get a few comments from actors about their upcoming comments, but it’s rare that you get basically a full interview while somebody’s promoting another film. To be fair, I will present Alan Tudyk’s interview for I, Robot later this week. But for now, here’s all he had to say about Serenity, the feature length film based on the short-lived TV series Firefly. Tudyk played the ship’s pilot, Wash Warren. On TV, the ship explored different worlds as a sort of space western, without aliens. Joss Whedon makes his feature film directing debut with the film, named after the ship. How did you get a movie from a failed TV show? Joss Whedon. Well, it also was the fans. You know those sci-fi fans. Firefly, when it was cancelled, they took down the website I think, and then three went up. There was a Firefly website all the time when the TV show was over and it became this community place to go. And they didn’t always just talk about Firefly, but there are all those “an episode that wasn’t written” type of thing. They do a lot of that. They do a lot of art, they do all kinds of things with it. But Joss Whedon loved the show and didn’t feel like it got a fair shake and was committed to it so totally. When we were cancelled, he said at the party, he said, “This isn’t over.” Everybody’s like, “Oh, that’s sweet. I hope he’s right, but...” He said, “I will produce etchings if that’s all I can produce, but this will happen again, something, some form, it will have a place. And he made it his mission. And after the DVD sales were good, but even before that, he had found people who were of his like mind at Universal Studios. And then it was first the Herculean task of wrenching the rights from Fox, which I can’t even imagine what that was like, but he pulled it off. And we have a lot of support at Universal. They’re really happy with what we’ve done. We’re about a month and a half into shooting now and they’re extraordinarily excited. We all get along so well. It’s ridiculous. Is the movie bigger? Yeah, it is bigger. Our costumes are cooler. Our ship is the same although it’s actually a little bit cooler. Hallways are a bit wider to accommodate better acting. It’s not as dangerous. You need wider halls for better acting. The first rule of acting is wide, open space. It’s not as dangerous as a set. It used to be you’d put your hand on something and you’d come away with blood. Now there are very smooth surfaces. It is all a little bit smoother around my bridge. I shot the day before yesterday, it was my first day flying the space ship and I got all sorts of new switches, switches and buttons that light up and I have these two little screens that hang above my head that I never had before that all access different things. You probably only shoot two pages a day now? Yeah, we shoot a lot less which is great. We do have that luxury and it is a luxury. But also on the TV show, we did a lot. That element is still there but it’s not as much because it’s not going to be on the TV screen. How many films are you signed for? It is a three-picture deal at Universal and I think it’s going to be about how the first one performs to see how the other two do. But the way that it’s been budgeted, I have a lot of faith that it’s going to do well business-wise, on a bottom line sort of scale. I think it’s going to do enough, it’ll be hard not to do what it’s supposed to do. If something cataclysmic would happen, and such a good script too on top of it all, I’m certain there’s going to be three. More news on the Firefly movie How is Joss Whedon handling his feature directing debut? Well, he loves it because he directed a lot of the TV shows. You know, doing one hour single camera isn’t too far from doing a movie. It’s not that whole multi-camera thing. It’s just a lot faster paced, so it’s the same way of directing just with a lot more time and a lot more opportunity to get it perfect. Twice as much money? Yeah, a lotta money. The pilot that we shot for Firefly, a two hour pilot that Fox decided to show last because it explained the whole story so it was good to show that last. So you knew what you were missing now. You can go, “Oh, that’s what it meant.” I think we made that for $12 million it was reported at the time. Oh my God, a $12 million pilot, a two hour pilot. And we have 50 million dollars to do two hours now. So we can do a lot. What is the mission? I can say this and I can’t say much because Joss will kill me. In the TV show, if you know the characters of River and Simon who are some of the people onboard the ship are wanted by the law. And it got us into trouble a lot. They’re still wanted by the law in the movie, but the Alliance, the law assigns a guy to catch her who’s really, really good at his job. That’s all I can say. Who plays that character? Chiwetel [Ejiofor], he was the lead in Amistad. It took me so long to remember Chiwetel. He’s an English actor. It’s on the website. I should know that. Does it still have the western theme? I think just like in the series, some of the episodes had more of a western theme than others that depended on the story of which planet we went to. This story doesn’t require it. I think it still lives in that world. I mean, his idea is that we had all of these new planets being terraformed, they became like pioneer days so all that stuff just evolved out of it. It was natural for it to be there alongside technology. But we don’t spend too much time in those types of worlds in the movie, so you don’t see it, but it’s still part of the universe.

WHOOO HOOO! I needs me some different-kindsa free wrestlin right now as the WWE style is killing me... or at least the part of me that likes wrestling. I used to watch WOW when it was on TV, so fuckit, I'll enjoy some TNA as well.

Agreed completely. But then again, isn't it their job to make us care? Isn't that the exact reason why those shows get the ratings that they get? So the question now becomes: Why don't we care? Why don't they care? What can they do to get us to care? What is stopping them from doing that? Ok, that's 4 questions following 2 other questions. And those are 6 questions more than the WWE is asking themselves.

Albert is bad... but he's like the best bad guy they have and his match with Jericho a few weeks ago was da fuckin bomb. Here's the thing with guys like Gunn, Test, Holly, Venis, etc. They get repackaged and repushed a lot, but they're all half-hearted attempts where the WWE doesn't put any real HHH-99 effort into it.

How much hype did the show get? I only saw hype for it during Raw and SD!, but that is it. I didn't see any advertisments anywhere than WWE programming. To me, that isn't too much hype. It's been going on for a month+ and getting significant airtime on RAW. If anyone cared about it -outside the "regular viewers of all-things WWE"- then it would have gotten a better number. It's pretty simple. I dunno what showing L&O reruns doubling the Diva Search is supposed to mean. Let's put this into better perspective. Nitro - in WCW's dying days - was doubling that 1.1. This was post-boom and WCW had gone through a terrible swing of bad booking, storylines and matches in 00. Thunder, as late as January 01, was doubling that number and even managed to beat it in its last days. This was at a time when the company was considered an overwhelming disaster and their parent company was willing to sell them off for under 5 million; their B-show still was pulling in 2.2's as they were filmed _after_ the Nitro broadcasts. The WWE - while having a potential 4.2 fanbase and a certain 3.7 one - couldn't even get HALF of that for this. But it's still "decent"? And Mr. Rudo, does it really matter? I have a different opinion on decent than you do, it is that simple. Of course it doesn't matter; that doesn't mean we can't blabber-on about it. A 1.1 rating doesn't "matter" because the WWE has like 8 hours of programming per week, every week. The greater issue here is the DIVA Search. A statement like "that's a decent rating" means that the Diva Search wasn't a complete bomb and a total waste of time, money, effort, and resources. Quite frankly, it was a horrible idea, it has horrible execution, and it will lead to more horrible television. It shouldn't be seen with any sort of optimism because it doesn't deserve it. And it's also about perception. That rating of 1.1 could be considered absolutely astonishing for a local public-access television show. But for the WWE and their resources? It's bad. I can't imagine that being seen as "decent" because in my view anything under 3.0 is "bad" for the WWE because they clearly have that audience there for their 2 other shows. So why can't they bring that audience to Heat and Velocity and to the Diva Search???

I think the WWE should put them in a house with only one mirror and one bathroom and watch what happens. Or have them try to solve really complex mathematical equations. Basically, try to out-do Paris Hilton and Jessica Simpson.

I just tried the scramble mode. I just sat there for 10 seconds and still had no clue what the city was. I quit before it could reveal itself and then cried because I suck. Recognize.

WHY CAN'T I STOP?! Las Vegas, 0 KM off. Recognize.

I think he should be a pathetic shell of his former self and try to hit on the Divas and get completely rejected - but still act like he's hot shit and talk about how him and the godfather and terri runnels used to own the world back in 99. OR they could spoof The Surreal Life 2 with Val as Ron Jeremy, Sable as Tammy Faye, Cena as Vanilla Ice, Jackie as Tracy, Sunny as Trishelle, and Big Bossman as the CHIPS dude. The SurrEal life would fucking own.

99.9999999% of the time. Vince has had more affairs than anti-cheap heat thoughts.

You *do* know that the 3% would be, like, in the THOUSANDS, if not HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS... right?

Hell, JBL -whom Vince sees as an extention of himself- is King Cheap Heat of Smackdown.

I think the more offensive thing is... ... she's not attractive. "Boy, does she ever look like her father" - Papa Rudo

Meltzer basically looks at matches like this: "Was every moved performed well, did it flow/build nicely, did they work heat spots, did the crowd react, did the wrestlers play their roles correctly, did the right guy go over" Which is certainly part of what makes a match, but not all. Things like internal logic, story, and development are largely ignored because -quite simply- the WWE doesn't do those things well. It would be like looking at an Blow-up Big Budget Action Movie and looking for those same things. In other words, he dramatically lowers his standards so he can cover it "appropriately". Unfortunately, that means his opinion on things also suffers because he compromises where -perhaps- others don't.

I think the rule is "Vince loves him some cheap heat", because his own family -as well has him- does it a lot; so lets not go by exceptions, ok? Let's file this one under "The WWE being stupid".

You know, I've read countless Montreal 97 debates (which sound _exactly_ like this one, btw) and that's the first original thing I've read in a long time. ... Why was Flair even bringing up Montreal 97 in the first place?

Where did you get this "Vince doesn't like cheap heat" thing from?

Clearly. Define "great", "good" and "bad". Sunday Night Heat used to do 4's and 3's. Now they hover around 1. That is "bad". Velocity and Experience can't even do that - that's "very bad". Diva search did 1.1 - Heat level. And the Diva search has gotten MUCH more promotion than Heat has AND they have MUCH higher hopes for it and plan to run with it for _months_. The current avg. for Smackdown is about 3.2/3.3 and RAW is 3.7ish (unofficial). How could you still consider the Diva specials number "Decent"? If the "absolute best" number it could have gotten is a 3.7 and the "absolute worst" number it could have gotten is a 0.6, how can it be decent when it is very much closer to "absolute worst"?? ECW did higher numbers fer cryin out loud and that was without promotion from the station or anywhere else and on a Friday night in between Roller Jam and Rock N Bowl and those numbers are _still_ considered "poor".

I agree. "Stop getting the fans into it!" seems to be rather silly. Infact, house shows should be striving for MORE fan participation.

"I did it for you Rock. All these white women willing to swallow some strudel. They have STD's! They'll ruin you Rock and make you itch something fierce. Rikishi could not let that happen. So I slept with all the contestants in a screening process. I slept with Mona. Rikishi backed that ass up and got a big suprise. Mona was a dude. I knew Mona wanted to sleep with The Rock and would make a sex tape. Rikishi had to stop that. So Rikishi called up Jimmy Snuka and we took care of it. I did it for you brah."