RavishingRickRudo

What's the difference between a "sliver of attachment and bias" to a country than say, an industry? A corporation? Or better yet, a multi-national corporation? If there were any "national pride" in a candidate, doncha think the opposition would run it into the ground if it were an issue? Which means it would be up to the voters to decide whether or not this "foreign" statesman would be fit to be their leader. This rule doesn't even allow all American Citizens _the chance_ at becoming President. Where is the "Freedom" in that? Where is the democracy? It's ridiculous that someone could be a perfect fit to be president of the U.S.A. and can't because of a technicality.

It's the typical political response... "Why actually focus on your point when we can completely discredit you, thus making your point irrelevant... even if it is the correct one."

Or...they needed to keep the title on Austin and not have Angle job. They didn't need to do either. That's the whole point of title matches - one guy wins, one guy loses. That's why they are (or at least "should be") important - the effects they have are dramatic. That's why people pay to see it; they want to see something happen. Nothing happened with Austin/Angle. And...? I've seen a million "clean" finishes. Once in a while, I'd like to see something like this, where a DQ makes perfect sense within the context of the story. I've rarely seen a DQ finish work so well. "Utter Nonsense" - Ray Yes, wanting to keep each man strong for very good reasons is a matter of no "balls." The reasons are... to have Angle spray Milk on Austin the next night? Get a fucking clue. Or...they thought of a great story which logically lead to a DQ, got a ton of heat on the heel and went with that. "Logically" they should have ended the bout before they did, but of course, nothing was logical about the decision to end a 20+ minute match with a DQ - unless you have no balls and aren't willing to make a sacrifice other-than-pissing-off-fans-in-the-bad-way. *Big laugh @ "a ton of heat"* No, getting heat on your top heel and support for your top face is. Which is what they did. Yeah, cause wasting the fans' time with a non-finish is worth doing as long as it gets heat... Russo? Is that you Vince? There was no other way that could have been done. None. Zero. Oh, wait, that would have meant someone would have lost! Ack! They NEEDED Austin as Champ because... err... um... they NEEDED Angle as the #1 Superman Babyface Who Can't Lose A Match because... uhhh... they have no balls? Except something DID happen- Austin ruthlessly did what he had to do to keep his title, Angle survived what no one else had, and a great match resulted from it. Which was already established at WM 17, so it was a moot point, and Angle did what babyfaces typically do so it wasn't a distinctive trait of Kurt Angle. Jesus, didn't I just type this ? Further defined at Summerslam and throughout his wonderful heel performances. Had the match not happened at Summerslam -at all-, would you still see Austin as "obsessive, paranoid, ruthless, and cunning"?. The answer is a yes, because they beaten the point into the ground by Summerslam. So why was this Summerslam match and finish important to the development of Austins character? Answer, it wasn't. So it didn't do anything that wasn't already done. You're reaching here. Yeah, Austin/Angle sucked because Austin/Bret was better. No, "Angle looked great" isn't relevant because in the WWE, that's what 99.9% of the babyfaces do. They beat up the cowardly heels. It's nothing that hasn't been done time and time and time and time again. Angle as a babyface sucked because he wasn't anything distinctive or special like Austin was at WM 13. I'm definitely reaching here, but unfortunately I'm reaching down to speak on your level of comprehension where I have to explain everything to you and you try to rest on crappy one liners not understanding that the objective itself of the match was BAD. The story was BAD. Because the finish was BAD. The resolution of the story was BAD; wrestling is a morality play and the moral of the story was "A man will do anything to have his gold", which was done at WM 17! The objective didn't do anything that hadn't already been done, thus making it 20+ minutes of NOTHING. So WWF screwing up AFTER Summerslam is proof that Summerslam was bad? Directly after? Of course. Getting Austin "insane heat" (orwhatever hyperbole you use) and giving Angle "amazing support" (again...) doesn't seem like the objective when you plan on having Angle spray him with milk the next night. Thus supporting my "they have no balls" claim. When the supposed effects of the match don't carry over _the next night_ they are meaningless. Nothing was accomplished. When I saw it I thought, "Damn that Austin! He's such a bastard. Angle got screwed there." Which is what they were going for. It completely worked and was a beautiful match. My thoughts: "What a fucking cop-out". That was one of the few PPVs I (and Curry) ordered and the finish was a let-down. The story was obvious, and even with that in mind, the resolution was completely unsatisfying.

Wrong. They needed to keep the title on Austin. They needed to keep Angle strong. Solution? Tell a great story where a DQ is the logical conclusion of the story. Or... pussy-out and have a DQ. Yeah, I think "pussy-out and have a DQ" is more likely. Benoit lost to Angle and he still came out "strong". They didn't have to have anything "funny" at the end of it, they just didn't trust that it could have been done. They didn't have the balls to actually have their "big face" lose or Austin drop the belt. They couldn't think of any other way so they just did the DQ finish. No, it's not. It's wonderful booking. No. Pissing off the fans isn't "wonderful booking". Having a match go over 20 minutes to have a finish of "well... Austin lost but Angle didn't win and nothing actually happened" is BAD booking. Wrong. It made Austin look more cunning and ruthless. Established at WM 17 and throughout his failure of a heel run It made Angle look great, as he survived the best Austin threw at him. Angle "looked great" on shows leading up to SS. It was the typical "Heel weak, Face strong" crap that they've been doing forever; it didn't make Angle any more distinctive in his face character cause ya know what? It was done better with Austin himself 4 years earlier vs. Bret Hart. Angle's "big win" at Unforgiven as American Superhero in his hometown in a Post 9/11 world certainly was disappointing all-things-considered, so this match didn't elevate him in the eyes of the fans. He was back to being a joke with "Milkomania running wild" the next night after SS. Again, it didn't accomplish ANYTHING.

Is the President still elected by the public in the U.S.?

Yeah, can't watch anything unless it has a nice happy ending, right? Right. They didn't have the balls to have a conclusive finish so they DQ'd Austin. It's cheap booking. It's a bad finish. It didn't accomplish _anything_.

That's utter nonsense. The ending was actually great, and was the logical conclusion of the story being told. It fit perfectly with Austin's character and got a ton of heat on him. Angle snapping after getting screwed was also great. I hate knee-jerk "bad finish!!" reactions. People invested their time, money, and emotions into a match between the two only to have it _not end_. DQ meant that "Angle won" but he "didn't win the belt" and that the feud would continue... so YTF spend your time watching something that is essentially ended with "it was all just a dream". Not satisfying at all. "Utter Nonsense" - Ray.

Please take your Anya crap and keep it in the Angel thread. This is my baby. There will be an uprise against Whedon if Jaynes hat isn't in it. ... by like, 10 people, the rest will just be happy that Jayne was in it.

I watched The Message the other day. That episode isn't a top fiver, but it should be, but there are 5 other episodes which whips it. J.M. Woodward is the Jesus of Television. His death(s)(s), will save us all. There's going to be a Dinner-thing up here in the fall with him and Clare Kramer as the special guests. I'd go, but then I'd be tempted to sexually assault one of them. Which one? I dunno. In my weaker moments...

... Which would be more appropriate, cause -you know-, this is an ANGEL thread.

I dunno if those are defenses of the match or completely indepenent of "this match is relatively tame". It was 8 years ago. Unless you've been watching the WWExclusively and closing your eyes during the Hardy TLC period, there is no reason to be excited by Mysterio/Psi BATB 96.

I was underwhelmed by Mysterio/Psychosis. I had seen it after having watched Mich Pro 10 man tags and Mysterio/Eddie, and the "crazy spots" seemed relatively tame.

Pinjockey is SOOOO much better than BlackFlagg. That website makes me appreciate Anyanka a lot more, cause I'll be damned if that board isn't 90% fucking hippies with their "In Joss we Trust" and "Lets all think happy thoughts" or the more popular "Lets never think at all" and "What the fuck is critical thought?". I fucking hate the fact that these two boards (The old Fox Firefly board and Fireflyfans.net) can't fucking let go of it. Before, I thought it was cool all these forums coming together under one banner - but they don't offer ANYTHING close to resembling independent thought, despite claiming to be intellectually superior to basically every TV watcher on the planet. They might be driving me away from Firefly. They might be driving me to the point to where I actively search out flaws in the show just to burst their bubble. FUCK.

... I'm not suicidal. Plus, seeing White Chicks is the result of a dramatic decrease in Brain Cells, not the cause of...

I fucking hate the Serenity message board. Jesus fucking christ, these people hate to think. *Bashes head against Desk* ... must become like them to tolerate them. *Drinks varnish*... any one have any more methods of killing brain cells? I'm kinda.. woozy... rihjkt mow.

Have you clicked on "Set Audio Levels" on the far left bottom side of your screen? I dunno if we have the same version, but that's how I did it.

But it means they will cheer him THAT much louder when he breaks free from HHH. Why can't you just let this play out?

Observations: 1. The first scene they filmed was in a lab with (probably) River on the chair and a freaky looking scientist. 2. Jayne looks to be on the new-and-improved mule. 3. Wash is wearing a non-hawiian (?) jacket with "Orion" (??) patched on the elbow and he has a sidearm (???) 4. The font for "Serenity" is more sci-fi than Western and sorta resembles Dumbfox's FF logo. I do like the green colour and chinese lettering. 5. Zoe appears to be more feminine. 6. I can't believe Summer Glau is in "Sleep Over". 7. BlackFlagg is gay and I hear that extra 'g' stands for 'gay'. 8. Jaynes gun looks less Westerny and more Judge Dreddy. Plus, he's wearing UFC gloves. 9. Mals buldge mystifies and arouses me.

*Pictures HHH's death meaning absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of the movie and his killer becomes irrelevant.* "I'm getting too old for this shit! Somebody get me a god-damned wheelchair!" - Whistler

He's second to the villain, I believe, and I guess the director liked him enough to max out his screen time. So think Ron Pearlman in Blade 2.

You guys are thinking way beyond HHH's thought process. "He has better matches as a heel", "Can he play a better face than Orton?". He has a movie coming out. He doesn't like the Rock. Rock is a "big time movie star". Blade III has the prospect of being a big success, making more money than Rocks last 2 movies combined. Ya think HHH will be going into the premiere of that film with the fans booing him? He turns face, the fans love him, they go see his movie inflating the box office numbers, he gets to gloat at how he's a better and bigger movie star than the Rock.

HHH has a movie coming out in the fall.

Oh you're gonna SO die now, you sonnofabitch. Now tell me where you live so I can kill you.

Or because he already has his #1 heel lined up (Orton) and why-the-hell would he let someone else that may not directly benefit him suck Eugenes heat away? I'm so glad HHH has changed. "Nothing has changed" - HHH

The better question is: Why have HHH try to become uber-heel mega when he's going to turn face in a few months anyways?