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But it's pointless. Why do something throughout the match if it doesn't effect the finish? There has to be a pay-off, otherwise you just waste time. Granted, I didn't see the match so I can't effectively say. However, unless the finish involved Edge working out of the headlock (finally finding a way to get out of it - Edge learns throughout the match how to counter it... the payoff to all the work done) and then smacking Orton into the turnbuckle (using Ortons transparant tactics against him... which, in a follow-up match, should have Orton try to be more sneaky), then it was just there "to be there". "Hey look, we're OLD SCHOOL~! But we're so YOUNG! We're THROWIN BACK!! HEAD-LOCK." The bestcase scenario (off the top of my head) would have been "Edge rallies back and quickens the pace for some hot near falls on Orton. A flustered Randy goes back to the move he was most successful with in the match - the headlock (a move Edge was unable to get out of the whole time). Edge runs to the exposed turnbuckle with Orton still holding onto the headlock and turns into the corner- Orton hits the turnbuckle, breaks the hold, and wobbles back to the middle of the ring - Edge finishes him with a spear." That brings everything together for the payoff, thus giving the crowd the reason to sit through all the headlocks in the beginning. This gratification then makes the crowd more eager to sit through other "builds" because they know -somehow- it'll come together in the end.

... and in the end Ogawa comes out and they all HUSTLE! HUSTLE!

... and one of the contestants would really be a transexual. The one that slept with Coach. He/She would end up getting killed and there would be a big mystery surrounding it - a "whodunnit", if you will.

If I knew or cared about any of the contestants, I'd SO write it (the lesbian drama) out and watch it get stolen. I'd give it a melodramatic narrator and throw in some drug scandal and one of the contestants sleeping with a judge and the aforementioned Love Triangle. Then someones dog dies and you get a "very special episode..." where they all kiss and make up before the final judgement drives them apart. Just make it into a parody because it's already a bomb - so you might as well get SOME value out of it.

And maybe some GGW.

Why haven't they made a reality show about Hulk Hogan? It seems like the natural course of action.

How long have they been promoting the Diva Search on RAW? They expect this to go _the whole summer_. Doing a 1.1 when RAW does (at least) triple that -and is basically a HEAT number-, means there isn't a great deal of interest in it. That's a number that says "The people who always watch WWE programming watched it". There is _no_ momentum to carry this angle (?) through to its conclusion and they'll probably resort to more gimmicky stuff to get it over in the future. I'm thinking they'll work a love triangle between 3 of the contestants and end with a cat fight.

How is that decent? That's barely beating HEAT and the WWE has big plans for this shit.

Ok, my mind is a bit fuzzy... What happened in 3 and 4 that should be forgotten? Was that the one with the sun guy?

I say make it "Superman vs. The X-men" and kill 2 mutant birds with 1 stone of kryptonite.

Cause he's a gigantic tool?

Vince is being Vince, which tends to make him come off like a Jerk As he gets older, he looks back on his legacy to see what he has accomplished. What he sees and what others see are probably very different things - so its his goal to make sure the two visions align... and it's certainly not his that will be changing, so it's up to everyone else to see it his way.

If he wanted to "forget" about the history he wasn't a part of, then he wouldn't be putting out a DVD with WCW in it. Or starting up a wrestling channel. Or buying up all the footage he can. He wants to rework history, the way he sees it.

... and I hate it. But it's kinda fun to know all the "notes" and watch the WWE "hit" them on every possible occasion. It gets more elaborate too, every time it's retold. "So I met Ted Turner for lunch in a small cafe outside of Atlanta. He said he wanted to get into the wrestling business, and I said 'that'sgreat, because I'm in the Sports Entertainment business'. He didn't appreciate it and smashed his coffee cup against the ground and told me he'd do everything in his power to put me out of business. Well, I'm still here Ted... And you're homeless." - Vince McMahon, 5 years from now. Not only reworking history, but the present too.

"History is written by the Winners" isn't a testament; it's an indictment. It doesn't mean that the winners earn the right to write history; it just means they do it. His "Re-working" of history is so transparent that it's "okay" in the sense that it doesn't matter _today_; because anyone who cares enough about Wrestling and knows enough can see right through it. There are websites that'll debunk it, boards like this that will mock it, and books that will refute it. But in the future, when there are enough lies being told and Vince has guys like Bruno and Bret on his payroll and repeating those lies, it may change things quite-a-bit. Like, 20 years down the road, it won't be "okay". But then again, who'll care?

Off the Record on TSN. On Bret/Montreal 97 - Vince wanted a certain outcome and he got it. It wasn't Bischoff, it wasn't Bret, it wasn't even Shawn - it was Vince. He had full control over the situation and he got the controversy he wanted and his company got an immediate boost from it, IIRC.

No. Matt -being the "positive"*, "outside the box thinker"** a that he*** is- should have said "You know, I really love that angle. It's really great. I am really excited about it. If there was one change I could make, it would be..." "... more of me in it" -Matt Hardy *suck-up **self-promoting ***sack of shit

Agreeing to have sex with someone in exchange for him stopping beating the shit out of your boyfriend isn't rape. Blackmail maybe, rape no. He didn't force Lita to have sex with him? Uh whuh? You wouldn't call Blackmail "force"? Uh buh? And I agree that the storyline is incredibly awful. But here's everyone getting all pissy because someone who's involved with the business, who's ran a promtion gets mad that we're ragging on his girlfreind. 1. It's not everyone. There's a fair amount of people who are on Matts side and are saying the same things you are. 2. People are getting "pissy" because he's dismissing all those who are "negative" about the WWE - because it can't possibly be the WWE's fault - while preaching being "open minded". He said "IWC"??!? THAT'S OUR WORD! The only person I recall saying that... is you. It's ridiuclous. I also don;t think you have to be a wrestler to understand most aspects of wrestling, but jumping allover him for believing otherwise is just as bad as him jumping all over us. And I guess you jumping all over "us" is what... ? Matt Hardy made a commentary with the intention of getting a reaction. _He_ made the initial commentary. Our response is "not as bad" because I don't think any of us would have said "Matt Hardy's opinion isn't worth a damn" before this, nor do I think many would say it's worthless afterwards. I don't think any of us would (or are) telling Matt Hardy HOW TO THINK, either. All I want him to do is actually be consistant with his view of "looking outside the box" and see where WE are coming from.

Yes...all wrestlers look down upon the fans. Do you realize how idiotic that sounds? Explain. Wrestlers are *taught* to "con" the fans. "Marks" isn't exactly a term of endearment, Cob. I have probably read 1 or 2 -MAYBE, because I'm only sure about one- wrestlers not treat the fans like they know nothing on a message board. And these are low-level indy guys. That's not even a %. Thus, the rule stands. Hell, I've talked with people in _wrestling school_ who think they've magically avquired a vast wealth of wrestling knowledge so far above my own that whatever I say is obviously wrong because I haven't taken a bump in the ring. THAT is the wrestler mentality. This angle is insulting our intelligence? We're pro wrestling fans! It's not insulting to our intelligence that a man can get his ass kicked for 30 minutes and not even get a black eye? Actually, it is. That's why I like MMA more than Wrestling. But really, that's another story... There are two different "leaps" one makes. To be a wrestling fan, "unreal damage" is a fundamental leap. You can't be a christian without believing in the resurrection of christ; you can't be a wrestling fan without believing that they can take punishment. However, in terms of "stories", the WWE has done a HORRIBLE job establishing the 4th wall. Sometimes the camera is there, sometimes it is not. Had they been consistant with the standpoint where there is no "viewer" to what goes on backstage, then this angle would be "easier to swallow". But, since there is no distinction, then what is going on with Kane and Lita is seen by the viewer - which is to also say, the police. And even then, they haven't really established why Lita _wouldn't_ tell the Police. I mean, a simple "Lita, if you tell anyone I raped you I will kill you and your boyfriend" would suffice (if the Camera issue was dealt with, which it isn't). In otherwords, the WWE has created a Universe. I accept that universe when I believe that two guys can kick eachothers asses for 30 minutes. I am ready to believe that Kane is in love with Lita, that Hardy is mad at Kane, and that Lita is caught in the middle. However, they continue to defy their own rules when the police aren't involved when Lita is RAPED. It's TELEVISION. It's...and I hate to be cliche...a soap opera. If you're looking for something with continuity, and logical storytelling you're watching the wrong "sport". You're not a very good spindoctor, CWM. If you don't mind me saying... CWM, when you want to actually discuss my points rather than using the "if you don't like it..." routine, which is flawed advice given the fact that you clearly don't like what I'm saying yet... here you are reading it and replying to it... then c'mon back and we'll chat and stuff. No biggie. As for me taking it personally... I've watched wrestling for well over a decade, have gone to numerous shows, bought merch, ppv, lost my voice several times, and couldn't begin counting how much time (and emotions) I've invested in watching it and discussing it. When I hear a wrestler saying that means nothing and tells me how to think, I get a lil upset about it. But that's me. I have a habit of thinking my time and dedication is valued by the WWE, when it CLEARLY isn't. And it's not by Matt Hardy, because he -despite his open mind and outside-the-boxnes- doesn't see dedication with my negativity. He just sees negativity because I'm a mark and how dare a mark not get worked.

Replying to Losses big "fair and balanced" post (the "" are not for sarcasm... ok, maybe like 10% is ) On the "Hogan and Flair coulda screwed me" part (as well as the "why doesn't Nash ever get blamed?"). Bret said he heard that both guys were responsible for his WCW failure. He never said they were responsible, but he heard they were. Now, whodya think coulda been feeding him that info ??

Before Benoit got the belt - actually, before the Royal Rumble itself - I complained that him on RAW would be horrible because he'd look bad because of HHH. I said he'd lose the "title" and end up worse-off than he was going into it. I Was Wrong There. Whew. I said it. Man, that's a lot of weight off my shoulders. He doesn't look bad. He looks irrelevant. Which, as champion, is horrible.

HEHE, he said him and Owen "fooled around", HEHE. HEHEHE, he said Stu tried to "take advantage" of him, HEHEHEHE

Yeah, because you obviously know so much more about wrestling and the business than the actual wrestlers do Not all. But a significant majority. The system corrupts and biases and not all wrestlers are as insightful as I am because of that. Am I patting myself on the back? Yeah, sure. But tell me how I "know less" than the wrestlers and then I respond properly. I've discussed numerous aspects of the business - from reviewing their Quarterly/Annual Reports to talking about their ring psych (or lack thereof). However, I don't just _say_ that I know better because I am (outside) the business like Matt Hardy does. What does Matt do to show his understanding of "the business"? Cite Merch? For someone who preached "looking outside the box" he didn't get to a number of things that influence our opinion on Litas role in the company. I find it funny you criticizing them for that since most of you (most, some..whatever) act superior to the actual wrestlers most of the time in your posts "Most/Some of us act... most of the time..." Are you Matt Hardy? Because you could not have made a less-convincing point. Wrestlers are not the brightest of all people. Infact, to do what they do - which is to say "willingly get beat up for living and abuse your body physically and chemically" - I wouldn't exactly call it the most intelligent profession. I could be a wrestler; I could run my own promotion. I won't though. I don't want to deal with the egos, the physical and financial toll, and the market isn't exactly booming and demand isn't strong enough to warrant the risk. Maybe if my Daddy had a promotion like Vince McMahons did -which Hardy conveniently forgets, as most wrestlers do- THEN maybe I'd consider it. But the playing field today is very, very dry -in part because of Vince McMahon himself- so it just isn't a smart thing to do. Hell, when Matt Hardy "ran" OMEGA, the market was MUCH stronger than it is today. But that's a point Matt "Not One-Dimensional" Hardy doesn't much-talk on. Instead, in his "well balanced" article, he just says "if you know so much, why don't you run your own promotion". But I generally don't look down on wrestlers - though they certainly give me plenty of reasons to. If you _were_ Matt Hardy, I wouldn't completely ignore your opinion because you're in the business - I'd see it the same way I'd see everyones and then weigh its value _based_ on the opinion given. Hardy doesn't take the time to make that judgement and doesn't think anyone should - because "Internet Writers"'s opinions are worthless, apparently. His? Full of worth, I guess. and yes I know I'll probably just get some 'witty' sarcastic replies and shit like 'oh yay...more smark bashing' but oh well Wait.. so what was your post? The first thing you said was sarcasm. Don't shit and eat in the same house, son.

.. And that whole episode sucks. Buffy getting kicked out of her own house is soooo fucking horrible.

Connor, Season 1: Disk 6: Deleted Scenes Kent: What are you doing here Ethan? I thought you were locked away. Ethan: Funny thing about that, actually. I was able to convince my housers that I could -with my wealth of connections- get some of their people out of L.A. So they 'chuted me in, and I honestly tried to find them, but they were no where to be found. *Kent looks at Ethan with a "you're lying" look* Ethan: But I did Kent, I really, really, really did. Kent: For how long, Ethan? Ethan: All the time I was in that parachute, I was looking. Granted, I was looking for a nice spot to land in, but I was looking for their people too. I'm a great multi-tasker, you know that very well. -=END=- 20th Century Rudox