The Old School questions thread

[Guest jm29195]

Yeah, that was the last appearance of Nash, in-ring or otherwise.

 

 

There were quite a few rumours going around at the time (late 03) that Nash was going to be the one responsible for taking the bounty on Goldberg and then go on to face him at Survivor Series..... instead we got another boring injured HHH wrestles for to long match that could have easily been changed to Goldberg/Batista to tie in with the bounty story line and give a non HHH main event....

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Yeah, that was the last appearance of Nash, in-ring or otherwise.

 

 

There were quite a few rumours going around at the time (late 03) that Nash was going to be the one responsible for taking the bounty on Goldberg and then go on to face him at Survivor Series..... instead we got another boring injured HHH wrestles for to long match that could have easily been changed to Goldberg/Batista to tie in with the bounty story line and give a non HHH main event....

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In fairness, my memory recalls this match as being about 10 minutes [looked it up - 11:41] (though I'm sure that was a time constraint issue, not a "HHH wants to wrestle Goldberg in a shorter match to put him over" issue) with WWE heavily putting Goldberg over and impressing Dave Meltzer to no end.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

A few quick Macho Man Facts:

 

 

Randy Savage appeared at several WLW shows and took park in several training sessions with Race's students..

~~~Savage apparantly got a little too involved and took a bad bump and injured his back when he landed badly..

February 18, 2005: Randy Savage told a Missouri newspaper that he can’t wrestle right now because of "health concerns"..

June 2005: Randy Savage has stopped taking bookings since he hurt his back working for Harley Race's WLW promotion..

~~~Reports have circulated that he has dropped a lot of weight and shaved his beard, making him unrecognizable..

 

 

The Hogan heat:

 

Savage accused Hogan of sleeping in Elizabeth's bed during a road trip in 1988

[tetsubeav 0]

Does anyone know who the person that Phineas Godwinn has tattooed on his left upper arm?  It's bothered me for years, and watched the Godwinns/LOD match last night and it re-triggered the who-the-fuck-is-that?!? in me.

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It some kind of famous cowboy I believe, I want to say Wyatt Earp but am not sure.

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Actually, it's Doc Holliday.

[Jericholic82 0]

Does anyone know who the person that Phineas Godwinn has tattooed on his left upper arm?  It's bothered me for years, and watched the Godwinns/LOD match last night and it re-triggered the who-the-fuck-is-that?!? in me.

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It some kind of famous cowboy I believe, I want to say Wyatt Earp but am not sure.

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Actually, it's Doc Holliday.

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Thanks, I knew it was one of those guys.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Not really old school, but what was Kevin Nash's last appearance in WWE? I want to say the Elimination Chamber at Summerslam 03, but I'm not sure.

 

Yeah, that was the last appearance of Nash, in-ring or otherwise.

 

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So his clean job to Test came before SummerSlam?

[Guest Fook]

Yeah, about a month and a half earlier.

 

From Cawthon's site:

 

WWE @ Montreal, Quebec - Bell Centre - July 7, 2003

 

Test pinned Kevin Nash with a boot to the face at 1:47 after pushing an interfering Trish Stratus into Nash; after the bout, Test pushed Trish into the ringside barrier.

[Slickster 0]

Here's a question I've been meaning to ask: there was this Sting tribute video that's been circulating around the IWC since WCW folded. In one of the scenes, Crow Sting is shown celebrating in the ring with a huge trophy in his hands, complete with the whole she-bang - confetti, fans cheering, pyro. I have no idea what this is, unless it's a foreign pay-per-view that the WCW did in the late 90's. I'm not too much of a WCW expert, but I have no conceivable timeline that fits in with this.

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If it's Crow Sting, then it's footage of Sting retaining the WCW European Cup over Kevin Nash at the 'WCW Millennium Final' German PPV in November of 2000.

 

If it's Surfer Sting, then it could be him celebrating WCW winning the World Cup of Wrestling over NJPW at Starrcade 1995.

 

I say this because both celebration ceremonies are similar (confetti, a big trophy, etc.)

[LoRisk 0]

No idea if this is common knowledge, but since I saw it for the first time the other day....who was War Machine in the second War Games in '87?

[cawthon777 0]

Ray Traylor.

[Fökai 0]

Here's a question I've been meaning to ask: there was this Sting tribute video that's been circulating around the IWC since WCW folded. In one of the scenes, Crow Sting is shown celebrating in the ring with a huge trophy in his hands, complete with the whole she-bang - confetti, fans cheering, pyro. I have no idea what this is, unless it's a foreign pay-per-view that the WCW did in the late 90's. I'm not too much of a WCW expert, but I have no conceivable timeline that fits in with this.

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If it's Crow Sting, then it's footage of Sting retaining the WCW European Cup over Kevin Nash at the 'WCW Millennium Final' German PPV in November of 2000.

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It was Crow Sting.

 

 

Thanks, Slick.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Just finished watching Guilty as Charged 2000 . . . did Mike Awesome really knock that girl's teeth out w/ a clothesline? They showed the clip and it looked like it could have been a blood capsule at first, but the promo w/ Spike and his girlfriend showed her looking like Bushwhacker Luke. Maybe she was wearing false teeth before. Either way, the clothesline was pretty brutal.

[strummer 0]

With all the talk of the Hassan angle lately, the Slaughter angle from 91 is being referenced quite often. My question is if the Iraq Sympathy angle bombed so much for Mania why was the feud continued all the way till Summerslam?

[cawthon777 0]

With all the talk of the Hassan angle lately, the Slaughter angle from 91 is being referenced quite often.  My question is if  the Iraq Sympathy angle bombed so much for Mania why was the feud continued all the way till Summerslam?

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It wasn't Slaughter that forced the smaller venue change; the company as a whole was in the crapper.

 

They had been selling tickets for the Olympic Stadium almost from the moment WrestleMania 6 was over. Slaughter didn't come back until August and he wasn't in the title picture until January.

 

As far as why it continued past WrestleMania ... WrestleMania was their first match. There was still money to be made from it. They had a several month run and had a series of Persian Gulf (No DQ) matches in the late summer. They usually involved Hogan shooting a fireball in Slaughter's face en route to winning.

 

Another reason is that they just didn't have much top heel talent. Savage was "retired", Dibiase was working with Virgil and hadn't been in the title picture for quite a while ... that leaves us with Slaughter.

[snuffbox 0]

With all the talk of the Hassan angle lately, the Slaughter angle from 91 is being referenced quite often.  My question is if  the Iraq Sympathy angle bombed so much for Mania why was the feud continued all the way till Summerslam?

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It wasn't Slaughter that forced the smaller venue change; the company as a whole was in the crapper.

 

They had been selling tickets for the Olympic Stadium almost from the moment WrestleMania 6 was over. Slaughter didn't come back until August and he wasn't in the title picture until January.

 

As far as why it continued past WrestleMania ... WrestleMania was their first match. There was still money to be made from it. They had a several month run and had a series of Persian Gulf (No DQ) matches in the late summer. They usually involved Hogan shooting a fireball in Slaughter's face en route to winning.

 

Another reason is that they just didn't have much top heel talent. Savage was "retired", Dibiase was working with Virgil and hadn't been in the title picture for quite a while ... that leaves us with Slaughter.

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Its too bad Hennig was buried by Hogan in 1990 then hurt in '91.

[Guest jm29195]

At some point in Ausgust 99 Randy Savage came out and said he was going to introduce his new bodyguard on the next edition of Nitro- it never happened- does anyone know who the bodyguard was supposed to be and why it didn't happen?

[Betty Houle 0]

With all the talk of the Hassan angle lately, the Slaughter angle from 91 is being referenced quite often.  My question is if  the Iraq Sympathy angle bombed so much for Mania why was the feud continued all the way till Summerslam?

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It wasn't Slaughter that forced the smaller venue change; the company as a whole was in the crapper.

 

They had been selling tickets for the Olympic Stadium almost from the moment WrestleMania 6 was over. Slaughter didn't come back until August and he wasn't in the title picture until January.

 

As far as why it continued past WrestleMania ... WrestleMania was their first match. There was still money to be made from it. They had a several month run and had a series of Persian Gulf (No DQ) matches in the late summer. They usually involved Hogan shooting a fireball in Slaughter's face en route to winning.

 

Another reason is that they just didn't have much top heel talent. Savage was "retired", Dibiase was working with Virgil and hadn't been in the title picture for quite a while ... that leaves us with Slaughter.

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Its too bad Hennig was buried by Hogan in 1990

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Oh Lord, spare me.

[Slickster 0]

Two questions:

 

1. Who was Cloudy, the infamous 'valet' of the Body Donnas in 1996?

 

2. Who was General Adnan, Sgt. Slaughter's manager during the 'Iraqi sympathizer' angle?

[Guest jm29195]

2. Who was General Adnan, Sgt. Slaughter's manager during the 'Iraqi sympathizer' angle?

 

 

I'm not that sure what his name was but I'm almost positive that he was the only genuine Iraqi in the whole angle and had actually had something to do with Saddam Hussein believe it or not, maybe an Iraqi olympic team member or something, and I'm not confusing him with Iranian olympic member Iron Sheik who was also in this angle....

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profi...-el-kaisee.html

[Slickster 0]

He was Billy White Wolf???

 

Wow, I feel dumb for not knowing THAT one.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

1. Who was Cloudy, the infamous 'valet' of the Body Donnas in 1996?

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Jimmy Shoulders, who was a friend of Candido from the Indy scene.

[JoeDirt 0]

I don't really care for Scott Keith's writing, but he asks a good question here:

 

"With the finish of the Bash match between JBL and Batista (haven't watched it yet, by the way) being yet another DQ to build to another title match, this leads me to wonder about something that I'm too lazy to do the legwork for: Does this ever actually work? Has there ever been a case where doing a cheap DQ finish and pissing off the fans in the main event of one PPV leads to a second match between the people and draws a significantly higher number? There's been this hackneyed belief that this theory holds true within the WWE for years now, and I've never seen any evidence that a DQ finish is any more beneficial than just having the challenger lose and attacking the champion again to set up another gimmick match. Look at HHH v. Batista for a perfect example of that."

 

So have their been any big programs that used a DQ to really be a really successful the next time around, as opposed to just having somebody lose and then do a post match attack?

[cawthon777 0]

I don't know about pay-per-view success but that was the normal booking practice dating back to the 60s.

 

Match 1: Heel wins via technicality

Match 2 (the following month or 2 months later): Face wins via technicality

Match 3 (the following month or 2 months later): Face / Heel wins in stipulation blow off

 

Overall, it was a successful way to do things.

[Guest jm29195]

I don't know about pay-per-view success but that was the normal booking practice dating back to the 60s.

 

Match 1: Heel wins via technicality

Match 2 (the following month or 2 months later): Face wins via technicality

Match 3 (the following month or 2 months later): Face / Heel wins in stipulation blow off

 

Overall, it was a successful way to do things.

 

 

This certainly was a succesful formula in the 60's but I'd be interested to see whether or not it still applies in the present era- the most recent example other than JBL/Batistsa would be the back to back Taker/Brock matches at Unforgiven and No Mercy 02. Was there a noticable increase in buy rates from one show to the other with these ppvs?

[BUTT 0]

Well, the first Michaels/Undertaker match at Ground Zero got a .45 buyrate, and Bad Blood got a .6, but I would guess that was due to the Hell in a Cell stipulation.

 

As for Lesnar/Undertaker, Unforgiven 2002 got a .57 and No Mercy got a .58, so there was pretty much no increase.

[cawthon777 0]

Also keep in mind the effectiveness in building for the rematch would play a part as well.

[Guest J0bber]

Did Willie the Worker ever reveal himself after he posted all those columns on 1wrestling?

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

I thought it was Jeff Hardy?

[Guest jm29195]

Did Willie the Worker ever reveal himself after he posted all those columns on 1wrestling?

 

 

I thought it was RVD but it could've been Hardy as RVD was and is quite open about his criticism of the WWE.....